Lombardi on Cam and Strick

[LAKings88]

Closest thing to a book from him at this point.

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[LAKings88]

Can a mod move this to LA forum please. Posted in the wrong place.

 

[SnS]

Can a mod move this to LA forum please. Posted in the wrong place.

Done.

 

[Lt Dan]

Closest thing to a book from him at this point.

Good looking out bro. Tha'ts a great interview

 

[Telos]

Really good interview. Makes you nostalgic for the Deano cup teams. Dean needs to write his book already. Too many stories...

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Great interview -- Voynov comments were very interesting, I still stand by that dude got severely and ridiculously hosed by the league.

Loved to hear he's received calls about other GM gigs -- I always thought it was crazy he hadn't been back at it since LA, good to know it's just not what he wants to do right now.

Really good interview. Makes you nostalgic for the Deano cup teams. Dean needs to write his book already. Too many stories...

Pretty sure either @All The Kings Men or someone on his podcast claimed the book was done.

 

[Telos]

While it sounds like Voynov got the book thrown at him and was burned in effigy as an example for all, it also sounds like he did do something that is a no-no in the Western world that is inexplicably to us okay in Russian culture according to some circles...

In the end, he brought it on himself. Sounds like he was well-liked and a good guy as considered by management and his teammates outside of the event, but the bottom line is he injured and hospitalized his wife which was made known to the authorities. He definitely knew better regardless of culture.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

While it sounds like Voynov got the book thrown at him and was burned in effigy as an example for all, it also sounds like he did do something that is a no-no in the Western world that is inexplicably to us okay in Russian culture according to some circles...

In the end, he brought it on himself. Sounds like he was well-liked and a good guy as considered by management and his teammates outside of the event, but the bottom line is he injured and hospitalized his wife which was made known to the authorities. He definitely knew better regardless of culture.

Lot's of 'no-no'(s) happen and have happened in professional sports where the player is not blacklisted from the league. It's horseshit.

 

[YP44]

agree with how Voynov was handled or not, I don't understand why he is not listed as the longest suspension in league history.

 

[All The Kings Men]

Great interview -- Voynov comments were very interesting, I still stand by that dude got severely and ridiculously hosed by the league.

Loved to hear he's received calls about other GM gigs -- I always thought it was crazy he hadn't been back at it since LA, good to know it's just not what he wants to do right now.


Pretty sure either @All The Kings Men or someone on his podcast claimed the book was done.

I think it was Yanetti but wasn't really sure if he was kidding or not...


Havent't heard the 3+ hour long Lombardi thing yet but seen some recaps and really wish I could have access to the entire thing to replay mixed with some conversations I've had with other people and break it down.

Here's a teaser... in the week leading up to Brown's jersey retirement we're going to have some Brown heavy episodes and we got to talk to Dustin Brown and there's some subject matter in there that might or might not directly relate to something I saw mentioned in the Lombardi discourse.

*mysterious sounds*

 

[BigKing]

Lot's of 'no-no'(s) happen and have happened in professional sports where the player is not blacklisted from the league. It's horseshit.

If it happened before Ray Rice, it would not have gone down the same way.

If he was a good ole' Canadian boy, it would not have gone down the same way.

I make both of those comments fully acknowledging that what he did was garbage.

 

[LAKings88]

I think it was Yanetti but wasn't really sure if he was kidding or not...


Havent't heard the 3+ hour long Lombardi thing yet but seen some recaps and really wish I could have access to the entire thing to replay mixed with some conversations I've had with other people and break it down.

Here's a teaser... in the week leading up to Brown's jersey retirement we're going to have some Brown heavy episodes and we got to talk to Dustin Brown and there's some subject matter in there that might or might not directly relate to something I saw mentioned in the Lombardi discourse.

*mysterious sounds*

There were some good break downs in the roster thread.

Lombardi did seem to feel bad and remorseful about how Brown was handled throughout the exchange of captaincy.

Looking forward to hearing Brown's take. Still think that never should have happened imho.

 

[YP44]

If it happened before Ray Rice, it would not have gone down the same way.

If he was a good ole' Canadian boy, it would not have gone down the same way.

I make both of those comments fully acknowledging that what he did was garbage.

One step farther,
Had he been playing in a Canadian Market, or a place like Chicago, New York or Philadelphia it would not have gone down this way.
Also agree with the garbage statement. Only thing I would disagree with is there is no chance of saying he "Good ole" when anyone does this shit. I know you say that tongue and cheek though

There were some good break downs in the roster thread.

Lombardi did seem to feel bad and remorseful about how Brown was handled throughout the exchange of captaincy.

Looking forward to hearing Brown's take. Still think that never should have happened imho.

Kopitar year 1 of being captain is this year right?

 

[LAKings88]

If it happened before Ray Rice, it would not have gone down the same way.

If he was a good ole' Canadian boy, it would not have gone down the same way.

I make both of those comments fully acknowledging that what he did was garbage.

DL was pretty candid about not wanting just choir boys.

I get that Voynov and his wife didn't view it the same way but in the end that has no real barring on abuse laws and morality. Don't hit or throw your sig. other through a fn television.

I still wonder about Stoll. Was he the main culprit or the main fall guy?

 

[BigKing]

One step farther,
Had he been playing in a Canadian Market, or a place like Chicago, New York or Philadelphia it would not have gone down this way.
Also agree with the garbage statement. Only thing I would disagree with is there is no chance of saying he "Good ole" when anyone does this shit. I know you say that tongue and cheek though


Kopitar year 1 of being captain is this year right?

No. Voynov was 2015 season and Brown was still captain.

The switch took place before the 2017 season which was the last for Lombardi/Sutter.

DL was pretty candid about not wanting just choir boys.

I get that Voynov and his wife didn't view it the same way but in the end that has no real barring on abuse laws and morality. Don't hit or throw your sig. other through a fn television.

I still wonder about Stoll. Was he the main culprit or the main fall guy?

I'll always believe that pretty much all of them were having a good old time in Vegas but Stoll was the older vet with less to lose so he was the one holding.

 

[Brodeur]

Always fun getting a peek behind the curtain. Namely being a GM isn't just managing your 50 contracts + draft picks, but also having to sit through marketing/finance meetings. Seemed like Dean was more than happy to just help out on the hockey end with the Flyers.

I was hoping they would have delved more into his time in San Jose. I'd love to hear his perspective on how they handled the 1993 Draft. Jeff Marek mentioned it briefly in a recent podcast and I got in a rabbit hole.

The Sharks owner fired GM Jack Ferreira after their inaugural 1991-92 season. Instead of naming a replacement, he instead set up a co-GM hierarchy between Chuck Grillo (Director of Player Personnel) and Dean Lombardi (Director of Hockey Operations). It wasn't clear who got the final say and it led to issues over the next few seasons.

San Jose had the #2 pick in the 1993 Draft after being out tanked by Ottawa (which led to the lottery being added in the 1995 CBA). Some Sharks scouts wanted Chris Pronger, but San Jose had a couple big LD (Mike Rathje, Michal Sykora) plus a young Sandis Ozolinsh. Other scouts wanted Paul Kariya.

Grillo (and the scouts he hired) instead overruled and tabbed Viktor Kozlov as their pick. This led to an unusual amount of arguing in the room.

Seemingly everybody relented and let Grillo have his way. Lombardi then figured they could trade down and still get Kozlov. Three teams showed the most interest in trading up to #2 and all of them wanted Pronger.

The Rangers kicked the tires but their own first (#8) was too late so that more or less took them out of the running.

Quebec, also the host of the draft, tried to move up to #3 by offering Mike Ricci and #10 to Tampa Bay but the Lightning declined. Hypothetically they would have flipped #3 plus some extra picks to San Jose.

In the end, they traded down with Hartford since their first rounder (#6) would likely still net them Kozlov.

The juicy bit was that Quebec apparently made a last minute offer of an unsigned Peter Forsberg straight up for the pick. San Jose turned it down, not because of talent but because of the contract situation.

Markus Naslund sued the NHL earlier that year and the league relented and declared Naslund (and Forsberg) to have Group IV restricted free agency rights. They would be eligible to sign an offer sheet. The original team would get the right to match but would receive no compensation if they didn't.

The previous summer Calgary signed Teemu Selanne to a Group IV offer sheet that was more than double what Winnipeg had been offering. Winnipeg begrudgingly matched but that was rough on them financially.

Lombardi was pissed that Quebec didn't present the offer to them sooner. They would have accepted Forsberg on the condition that they could get him signed. But they didn't want to risk dealing the #2 pick for Forsberg who could then sign an offer sheet a week later. There were rumors that the Rangers were going to give him significantly more than what Selanne had received.

Lombardi vented to the media about Quebec's disorganization as they had no showed a previously schedule pre-draft negotiation meeting. We were only a year removed from Quebec managing to trade Eric Lindros twice.

By spring 1996, Lombardi won the power struggle and Grillo was fired. Lombardi happily told the press how the locker room would no longer be his guys vs. Grillo's guys.

 

[YP44]

No. Voynov was 2015 season and Brown was still captain.

The switch took place before the 2017 season which was the last for Lombardi/Sutter.

Was replying to the person who didn't like how the switch was handled. I was joking that for me this season (22-23) is the first year where Kopitar is captain..you know because this is the first year AB (After Brown)

 

[Sleeping Dog]

Interview starts @ 1:33

 

[YP44]

Always fun getting a peek behind the curtain. Namely being a GM isn't just managing your 50 contracts + draft picks, but also having to sit through marketing/finance meetings. Seemed like Dean was more than happy to just help out on the hockey end with the Flyers.

I was hoping they would have delved more into his time in San Jose. I'd love to hear his perspective on how they handled the 1993 Draft. Jeff Marek mentioned it briefly in a recent podcast and I got in a rabbit hole.

The Sharks owner fired GM Jack Ferreira after their inaugural 1991-92 season. Instead of naming a replacement, he instead set up a co-GM hierarchy between Chuck Grillo (Director of Player Personnel) and Dean Lombardi (Director of Hockey Operations). It wasn't clear who got the final say and it led to issues over the next few seasons.

San Jose had the #2 pick in the 1993 Draft after being out tanked by Ottawa (which led to the lottery being added in the 1995 CBA). Some Sharks scouts wanted Chris Pronger, but San Jose had a couple big LD (Mike Rathje, Michal Sykora) plus a young Sandis Ozolinsh. Other scouts wanted Paul Kariya.

Grillo (and the scouts he hired) instead overruled and tabbed Viktor Kozlov as their pick. This led to an unusual amount of arguing in the room.

Seemingly everybody relented and let Grillo have his way. Lombardi then figured they could trade down and still get Kozlov. Three teams showed the most interest in trading up to #2 and all of them wanted Pronger.

The Rangers kicked the tires but their own first (#8) was too late so that more or less took them out of the running.

Quebec, also the host of the draft, tried to move up to #3 by offering Mike Ricci and #10 to Tampa Bay but the Lightning declined. Hypothetically they would have flipped #3 plus some extra picks to San Jose.

In the end, they traded down with Hartford since their first rounder (#6) would likely still net them Kozlov.

The juicy bit was that Quebec apparently made a last minute offer of an unsigned Peter Forsberg straight up for the pick. San Jose turned it down, not because of talent but because of the contract situation.

Markus Naslund sued the NHL earlier that year and the league relented and declared Naslund (and Forsberg) to have Group IV restricted free agency rights. They would be eligible to sign an offer sheet. The original team would get the right to match but would receive no compensation if they didn't.

The previous summer Calgary signed Teemu Selanne to a Group IV offer sheet that was more than double what Winnipeg had been offering. Winnipeg begrudgingly matched but that was rough on them financially.

Lombardi was pissed that Quebec didn't present the offer to them sooner. They would have accepted Forsberg on the condition that they could get him signed. But they didn't want to risk dealing the #2 pick for Forsberg who could then sign an offer sheet a week later. There were rumors that the Rangers were going to give him significantly more than what Selanne had received.

Lombardi vented to the media about Quebec's disorganization as they had no showed a previously schedule pre-draft negotiation meeting. We were only a year removed from Quebec managing to trade Eric Lindros twice.

By spring 1996, Lombardi won the power struggle and Grillo was fired. Lombardi happily told the press how the locker room would no longer be his guys vs. Grillo's guys.

the passing on pronger was definitely a crazy tidbit by Marek.

 

[Brodeur]

the passing on pronger was definitely a crazy tidbit by Marek.

It's eye opening that they passed on Pronger and Forsberg for Kozlov. Although Dean did trade Kozlov while he had value. Maybe a sneaky bad trade that doesn't get more mention is that Florida inadvertently gave up the Vinny Lecavalier pick for Kozlov. Lombardi made a couple extra deals to turn that pick into Bryan Marchment, Brad Stuart, and Jonathan Cheechoo.

Thanks to the rabbit hole, I dug up an old box of cards that my sister's boyfriend had given me (I think he kept all the non-hockey cards for himself, hopefully he saved those Rick Mirer ones). I knew I had at least one Michal Sykora card in there.

Imagine being a fly in the wall for those draft meetings. "We don't need Pronger. Have you seen Michal Sykora? Point per game in the WHL and he doesn't turn 20 until the summer."

 

[Sol]

I still think it’s a bit ridiculous to demonize Voynov to extent they did. I think they were way too hard on him and if it was a North American doing it they would have gotten off lighter. The hypocrisy is that it’s a lot more normal in Russia to do what Voynov did and it’s disgusting in western culture what he did.

He got judged as a westerner and not as a foreigner.

What he did was awful, but the way they handled it was awful too. I still think the whole Voynov situation was a public execution as a show of force and less so a show of justice.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

I still think it’s a bit ridiculous to demonize Voynov to extent they did. I think they were way too hard on him and if it was a North American doing it they would have gotten off lighter. The hypocrisy is that it’s a lot more normal in Russia to do what Voynov did and it’s disgusting in western culture what he did.

He got judged as a westerner and not as a foreigner.

What he did was awful, but the way they handled it was awful too. I still think the whole Voynov situation was a public execution as a show of force and less so a show of justice.

The guy beat the piss out of his wife. There are no shades of gray here. He got exactly what he deserved. Whether or not the NHL would’ve reacted differently if Voynov was from Ontario instead of Russia is irrelevant.

Bad take, fam.

 

[Sol]

The guy beat the piss out of his wife. There are no shades of gray here. He got exactly what he deserved. Whether or not the NHL would’ve reacted differently if Voynov was from Ontario instead of Russia is irrelevant.

Bad take, fam.

I think you misinterpreted what I said. No where did I downplay what he did. Bad reading fam. It’s only irrelevant for you because it’s convenient.

 

[KingLB]

If it happened before Ray Rice, it would not have gone down the same way.

If he was a good ole' Canadian boy, it would not have gone down the same way.

I make both of those comments fully acknowledging that what he did was garbage.

Yea, I think we can agree “happened” absolutely society and the leagues let a lot more slide. But we only have to look across town (Dodgers) to see a “similar” action being punished approximately the same. (Obv the 2 actions aren’t exactly the same, but for the conversations sake they may be the 2 most closely related in terms of action and punishment length)

 

[Nasti]

I still think it’s a bit ridiculous to demonize Voynov to extent they did. I think they were way too hard on him and if it was a North American doing it they would have gotten off lighter. The hypocrisy is that it’s a lot more normal in Russia to do what Voynov did and it’s disgusting in western culture what he did.

He got judged as a westerner and not as a foreigner.

What he did was awful, but the way they handled it was awful too. I still think the whole Voynov situation was a public execution as a show of force and less so a show of justice.

Wasn’t Voynov going to be deported?