Confirmed with Link: Locker Room Exit Interviews Monday May 6 (Players and Keefe) + Pelley/Shanny/Tre on Friday VIDEO LINK PG 57

[Buds17]

It's baffling to reach the conclusion of Shanahan meddling when looking at the number of players and staff with Soo connections employed by this team over a certain number of years. Removing Shanahan because his tenure and hirings haven't yielded much in the way of team success would be another matter entirely.

 

[Trapper]

It's baffling to reach the conclusion of Shanahan meddling when looking at the number of players and staff with Soo connections employed by this team over a certain number of years. Removing Shanahan because his tenure and hirings haven't yielded much in the way of team success would be another matter entirely.

I don’t think Shanahan had anything to do with the depth players or Soo connection employees. I would believe that Shanahan controlled the core and you would be unable to move someone even if you wanted.

 

[Leaf Fans]

If Keefe wasn't fired I imagine they would have announced he was going to be at the PC on Friday.

Maybe they pushed it back to allow an extra time to get the new coach in place (Berube?)

He spoke yesterday, didn't he?

 

[Menzinger]

It's baffling to reach the conclusion of Shanahan meddling when looking at the number of players and staff with Soo connections employed by this team over a certain number of years. Removing Shanahan because his tenure and hirings haven't yielded much in the way of team success would be another matter entirely.

Meddling doesnt necessarily have to impact 80% or even 90% of moves, just maybe the bigger ones.

I have no idea which moves he may or may not have had a hand in, but I doubt he's a passive actor, he's supposed to oversee the hockey ops at the highest level, so he almost certainly has made a say here and there along the way in what the team should do.

Chris Johnson for example reported last summer Shanny called the core guys saying there was no plans to move them

 

[1specter]

Really hoping it's not just a 'run it back' year but really seems like that's where things are mostly headed, with the potential exception of a coaching change. Shanahan getting to stick around would be an absolute joke.

 

[AllHeartNoSkill]

Really hoping it's not just a 'run it back' year but really seems like that's where things are mostly headed, with the potential exception of a coaching change. Shanahan getting to stick around would be an absolute joke.

Cripes if they do, they’ll risk going back to jerseys getting thrown on the ice and the first sign of a skid.

 

[3blizzard4]

Really hoping it's not just a 'run it back' year but really seems like that's where things are mostly headed, with the potential exception of a coaching change. Shanahan getting to stick around would be an absolute joke.

The fact that Shanny is part of the presser on Friday tells me he is sticking around.

In a results based business imagine showing to your employer one first round win in 10 years? And still getting to stick around?

I am thinking the metrics for success are different for fans and different for MLSE.

Hint hint: $$$

 

[BrannigansLaw]

The dysfunction in this organization runs to the very top. They are too afraid to do anything meaningful because it might affect their bottom line.

There isn’t a single person in this organization with the stones to make the changes that should have been made after 2021.

 

[NVious]

For those keeping score, we are 0-6 in winner takes the series games.

0-3 vs Boston
0-1 vs CBJ
0-1 vs MTL
0-1 vs Tampa

In game 5 7s

Auston Matthews:
0 goals 3 assists

Mitch Marner:
0 goals 2 assists

John Tavares (in 4 games):
1 goal 0 assists

William Nylander:
2 goals 2 assists

Nylander is the only one close to living up to his contract

 

[Drytoast]

They gotta change something. If they have a replacement ready to go...then ya. He's done.

Marner getting dished would be lovely. Willy really grew on me these playoffs when he bitched at Marner and told him to grow up and his exit interview.

 

[KMNRB]

Meddling doesnt necessarily have to impact 80% or even 90% of moves, just maybe the bigger ones.

I have no idea which moves he may or may not have had a hand in, but I doubt he's a passive actor, he's supposed to oversee the hockey ops at the highest level, so he almost certainly has made a say here and there along the way in what the team should do.

Chris Johnson for example reported last summer Shanny called the core guys saying there was no plans to move them

Most probably, Shanahan has veto'ed power but he wouldn't get his hands dirty in constructing/negotiating trades (just like any boss in the corporate world).

In fact, team owners who meddled with team operations also has that type of veto'ed power (look at Calgary in refusing to trade with Treliving). It appears to me that the role of a team president is to act like a proxy of the owner (to the GM) and a proxy of the GM (to the owner).

For instance, based on his trade for Karlsson last summer, I'd imagine that if Dubas had stayed last summer he'd try to make a trade around Marner and Karlsson, and if that's so then Shanahan probably would have banned it as his president.

We got confirmation that's how things worked with the story leaked out about the Knies+1st for Hagel trade proposal (even though in that case Dubas was in agreement with Shanahan).

 

[nuck]

The fact that Shanny is part of the presser on Friday tells me he is sticking around.

In a results based business imagine showing to your employer one first round win in 10 years? And still getting to stick around?

I am thinking the metrics for success are different for fans and different for MLSE.

Hint hint: $$$

$3M per home playoff date, although others have suggested this is a low number. And being dunked on every playoff can't be spiking merchandise sales. the smart $ doesn't point to running it back.

I think Shanny, Kyle, and Sheldon have proven well that repeating the same mistake doesn't yield a different result just because you have a theory about it. It shouldn't take a hockey genius to figure out the club has nothing to lose by cleaning house. Give the new guy a chance to impress us.

 

[Leafsfan74]

The fact that Shanny is part of the presser on Friday tells me he is sticking around.

In a results based business imagine showing to your employer one first round win in 10 years? And still getting to stick around?

I am thinking the metrics for success are different for fans and different for MLSE.

Hint hint: $$$

I have been in sales. EVen the most competitive type (which was NOT corporate, which was easy), and I can;t imagine two bad quarters of subpar results let alone a decade and not feeling the heat of losing my job.

People have targets. Remember the Shanny plan was 5-6 years. He couldn't believe his luck when they kept him around past that when he brought in some zen, horse whisperer b.s to the owners to "stay the course, I believe in them".

This is why it is clear, to MLSE it is solely about the cash. Nothing has really changed since the Ballard years except the expectations. The results are essentially the same.

In fact, if I recall correctly, the Leafs in the 1980s, some teams who finished with only 52 and 48 points (and I didnt have to look that up), won playoff rounds and yes, took the second round to seven games.

That is further than this core has gone in about the same number of years!

 

[The Masters]

Friday should be interesting

I need more Fried leaks

 

[The Masters]

 

[647Hockey]

In game 5 7s

Auston Matthews:
0 goals 3 assists

Mitch Marner:
0 goals 2 assists

John Tavares (in 4 games):
1 goal 0 assists

William Nylander:
2 goals 2 assists

Nylander is the only one close to living up to his contract

That's because come playoff time, Nylander is the only one who has enough talent and grit to play a playoff style game.

The others are invisible because easy goals from the regular season disappear as defence tightens up, there seems to be way more blocked shots and guys like AM and JT get pushed out from near the net preventing rebound and short distance wrister goals. Even the worst team making the playoffs (Caps, Isles and Kings) are still avg teams middle of the pack. And JT's goal was a lucky bounce off a TB dman's skate into his own net. He didn't even aim. He just swung around wildly shooting on net and got a lucky deflection.

 

[Kazparov]

Who was Pres when Quinn was in? Who was pres when Burke was GM or JFJ?

I dont remember. Quinn did coach and GM for a bit. JFJ was GM no idea if there was a pres, pretty sure he had full control just like Burke.?

GM should be the boss. MLSE has a President.

Wasn't it Richard Peddie?

 

[Squiffy]

Wasn't it Richard Peddie?

Ken Dryden for late 90’s to mid-00’s. I don’t think they had another Prez until Burke 08 after that, Burkie was prez/gm, it was just JFJ reporting to TPP before that

 

[Gallagbi]

Ken Dryden for late 90’s to mid-00’s. I don’t think they had another Prez until Burke 08 after that, Burkie was prez/gm, it was just JFJ reporting to TPP before that

In pretty sure Quinn was Prez and GM.

 

[Squiffy]

In pretty sure Quinn was Prez and GM.

Gotta disagree, it was Dryden those years followed by a vacuum. Practically speaking Quinn was boss, just not technically. It was Tanenbaum pulling the strings before TPP asserted itself with JFJ. Quinn coach/gm, and a helluva, but not prez.

 

[Gallagbi]

Gotta disagree, it was Dryden those years followed by a vacuum. Practically speaking Quinn was boss, just not technically. It was Tanenbaum pulling the strings before TPP asserted itself with JFJ. Quinn coach/gm, and a helluva, but not prez.

Looks like you're right. Im sure I'm thinking of Quinn in a double role as Coach/GM - not Prez/GM

 

[WillNy29]

I've always assumed McCrimmon didn't come to Toronto because of Shanny's role. I'd love to see them get rid of Shanny and bring him in. That being said, Tre hasn't done anything wrong so deserves to keep his job.

rumour has it Shanny approached him but he didnt want to work with Dubas and Hunter

 

[Squiffy]

Looks like you're right. Im sure I'm thinking of Quinn in a double role as Coach/GM - not Prez/GM

I mean he was the boss though, those were his teams. A beaut.

 

[Squiffy]

I mean he was the boss though, those were his teams. A beaut.

And Shanny is supposed to be the same. A real hockey guy. Maybe he finally gets it? Goes spouting off about team discounts, and 6 years later he was right?

 

[The Masters]

If keefe fired it will be today
Bourne said he was getting celebrated in brampton yesterday so likely why they didnt do it