OT: LOCAL COVID19 - PART II... Seriously, local only

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Micklebot

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Seeing as how the stickied Mod note in the last thread seemed to be widely ignored, we're going to start fresh rather than me going through and deleting all the posts that didn't belong.

A reminder, this thread is for Covid19 topics of local interests


Local interest refers to what's going on in your community.

Posts about causes, symptoms, diagnosis, treatment, origins and prevention ect are no longer allowed unless there is a local component. Otherwise they belong in main board thread


For more general discussion, go to the main thread below:
COVID 19 - The Coronavirus Outbreak

Please try your best to stay on topic, failure may result in your post being deleted, receiving an infraction, a thread ban, or all of the above. If posters in general can't adhere to these rules, we simply will not have a covid19 thread in the Sens forum.
 

NyQuil

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That's two years in a row that Christmas has been interfered with.

And why is that?

Just do the work, compile the research, apply the logic.

You have a holiday that is basically reliant upon the slave labour of a community of vertically-challenged tradesmen and women for hundreds of years with no discernable break. Enslaved by their jolly yet ominous overseer who apparently has a thing for children.

Is it about getting a little more free time by keeping everyone inside and minimizing gift-giving? Or is it about protecting the kids from the crimson interloper?

What exactly have they been cooking up in those kitchens (e.g. BSL 4 laboratories) up in the North Pole?

Only the elves know for sure.
 

FunkySeeFunkyDoo

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That's two years in a row that Christmas has been interfered with.

And why is that?

Just do the work, compile the research, apply the logic.

You have a holiday that is basically reliant upon the slave labour of a community of vertically-challenged tradesmen and women for hundreds of years with no discernable break. Enslaved by their jolly yet ominous overseer who apparently has a thing for children.

Is it about getting a little more free time by keeping everyone inside and minimizing gift-giving? Or is it about protecting the kids from the crimson interloper?

What exactly have they been cooking up in those kitchens (e.g. BSL 4 laboratories) up in the North Pole?

Only the elves know for sure.
Do your research. Follow the money.
 
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SPF6ty9

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That's two years in a row that Christmas has been interfered with.

And why is that?

Just do the work, compile the research, apply the logic.

You have a holiday that is basically reliant upon the slave labour of a community of vertically-challenged tradesmen and women for hundreds of years with no discernable break. Enslaved by their jolly yet ominous overseer who apparently has a thing for children.

Is it about getting a little more free time by keeping everyone inside and minimizing gift-giving? Or is it about protecting the kids from the crimson interloper?

What exactly have they been cooking up in those kitchens (e.g. BSL 4 laboratories) up in the North Pole?

Only the elves know for sure.

Might make a better Xmas movie than that one Mel Gibson filmed in Ottawa.
 

coladin

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I have had a State of the Union address at home around the dinner table. The kids were informed that their close contacts will remain, and no new people added to the mix. Same for parents. We will rapid test before Christmas Eve and Christmas Day gatherings. Parents are boosted and kids are double. All our close friends are double are boosted. There is literally nothing much more we can do and it boils down to risk assessment
 

Sens of Anarchy

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Covid spreading through NHL teams

Covid spreading through OHL teams


Things are going to change re restrictions. Omicron more contagious and its just getting started.
 

Sens of Anarchy

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Ontario Dashboard - Ontario COVID-19 Science Advisory Table
 
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DaveMatthew

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And the provincial government seems to be making decisions solely on case counts.

The expectation, all along, amongst scientists was that this virus would mutate. But is at mutates, it'd become less severe. That is what the data showing. Couple a less severe, albeit more contagious, virus with our rates of vaccination, and there is zero reason to panic.

But sure, let's panic.

We're at the point that if you're a double-vaccinated healthy person (no risk factors) between the ages of 0-60, there would actually be a benefit of getting Omicron. You're extremely unlikely to have severe symptoms, and it'll offer protection against future variants (better protection than boosters).

Cutting hockey games to 50% capacity? That'll do jack shit.
 

Sens of Anarchy

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And the provincial government seems to be making decisions solely on case counts.

The expectation, all along, amongst scientists was that this virus would mutate. But is at mutates, it'll become less severe. That is what the data showing. Couple a less severe, albeit more contagious, virus with our rates of vaccination, and there is zero reason to panic.

But sure, let's panic.

You do not have to panic but there are mixed messages on severity at this time
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/15/who...against-treating-variant-as-mild-disease.html
If the number of cases goes up and a smaller % have severe reactions it can still be problematic for health care capacities. IMO that is what drives the health care community and politicians to react. Not sure why you'd want to downplay it.
 

DaveMatthew

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You do not have to panic but there are mixed messages on severity at this time
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/15/who...against-treating-variant-as-mild-disease.html

From that article: "The elderly, people who have underlying health conditions and the unvaccinated are still at risk of severe disease, Van Kerkhove said."

There are still small groups of people that have risk. But for the rest of us? There's enough data out there that we shouldn't panic. This variant has been spreading in other countries (and Canada) for weeks, if not months. We have not seen an increase is significant complications in vaccinated people.

The public should be getting all of the data, and the media needs to stop stoking fear.

How many of the people who are testing positive for the Omnicron variant are asymptomatic? I wonder why no one asks that question at a press conference, and why no health unit is reporting out on it.

The situation today is world's different than it was in March 2020. Reporting cases without clearly differentiating between asymptomatic/symptomatic/hospitalizations is scientifically irresponsible.
 
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Sens of Anarchy

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From that article: "The elderly, people who have underlying health conditions and the unvaccinated are still at risk of severe disease, Van Kerkhove said."

There are still small groups of people that have risk. But for the rest of us? There's enough data out there that we shouldn't panic. This variant has been spreading in other countries (and Canada) for weeks, if not months. We have not seen an increase is significant complications in vaccinated people.

The public should be getting all of the data, and the media needs to stop stoking fear.

How many of the people who are testing positive for the Omnicron variant are asymptomatic? I wonder why no one asks that question at a press conference, and why no health unit is reporting out on it.

The situation today is world's different than it was in March 2020. Reporting cases without clearly differentiating between asymptomatic/symptomatic/hospitalizations is scientifically irresponsible.
panicking is never a good reaction to anything. There is data available on cases you are looking for and there has been for a while. That data takes more effort to get to and to go through obviously not everyone looks for it and tries to digest it. The reporting , if problematic in impeding solutions is only a part of the problem from my perspective. I also think that the speed at which Omnicron is moving and the data collection and analysis is happening in real time so all the information is not available. Hospitals are being pushed to the brink. re: Kingston ,On. and they are not the only ones with numbers pushing their capacity. There are a lot of real issues around healthcare in our province that I think are way more important then whether a graph that gets tweeted provides all the information.
 
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thinkwild

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The early indicators certainly give room for hope, but omicron is just getting underway. I dont think they are able to come to definitive final assessments yet. But hopefully lots of data to look at in the coming few weeks that may allow us to reassess with more confidence. Fingers crossed. Im scheduled for a booster just before christmas, but i probably still wont have that brief moment of invincibility i felt in the summer when i thought the 2nd shot had set me free.
 
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