Line combinations??
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Crede has as good of a guess as anyone. Now, what I would LIKE to see is (assuming no trades are made):
Saad - Wennberg - Atkinson
Jenner - Dubinsky - Bjorkstrand
Hartnell - Gagner - Foligno
Calvert - Dubois - Anderson
Karlsson
Clarkson
Murray (L) - Jones (R)
Johnson (L) - Savard (R)
Werenski (L) - Prout/Golobef (R)
Prout/Golobef (R)
Bobrovsky
Korpisalo
Dubois doesn't have much to gain spending another year in juniors. 4th line doesn't throw him to the wolves and sets up a very speedy line.
CMac and Campbell get put on waivers and go to Cleveland if they make it through.
Saad - Wennberg - Atkinson
Jenner - Dubinsky - Bjorkstrand
Hartnell - Gagner - Foligno
Calvert - Dubois - Anderson
Karlsson
Clarkson
Murray (L) - Jones (R)
Johnson (L) - Savard (R)
Werenski (L) - Prout/Golobef (R)
Prout/Golobef (R)
Bobrovsky
Korpisalo
Dubois doesn't have much to gain spending another year in juniors. 4th line doesn't throw him to the wolves and sets up a very speedy line.
CMac and Campbell get put on waivers and go to Cleveland if they make it through.
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I think Crede is on mark but with Wennberg's change. (I think Korpisalo should be the backup.) While I don't see Dubois spending the season as a Jacket (LeeSmith's wish), the weakness at C sure gives him a chance.
I like everyone's lines. I will say that we have to figure out who is going to be assigned the toughest matchups. Last year, Dubi's line did it, and those three got killed with goals against. Can Wennberg handle it? Maybe, but would we prefer his line staying with easier matchups, especially if Bjorkstrand is slotted there? Can Dubois handle it? Can Karlsson?
Just one idea:
Saad - Wennberg - Bjorkstrand (easy matchups)
Hartnell - Dubinsky - Atkinson (middle)
Jenner - Karlsson - Foligno (shutdown duty)
It's also possible that the trio of (Calvert - Karlsson - Anderson) could be one of those fourth lines that can handle serious shutdown duty.
** Of course, on the road, the line that gets the hardest matchups is likely to be whatever line scores the most. But I'm here talking about the deliberate matchups.
Just one idea:
Saad - Wennberg - Bjorkstrand (easy matchups)
Hartnell - Dubinsky - Atkinson (middle)
Jenner - Karlsson - Foligno (shutdown duty)
It's also possible that the trio of (Calvert - Karlsson - Anderson) could be one of those fourth lines that can handle serious shutdown duty.
** Of course, on the road, the line that gets the hardest matchups is likely to be whatever line scores the most. But I'm here talking about the deliberate matchups.
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The reason why I have McElhinney up is I think Bob will be getting the lion's share of starts and McElhinney will come in only for spot duty.
That means Korpisalo and Forsberg will be back in Cleveland splitting starts 50/50.
Then, if Bob gets injured, I expect Korpisalo (or maybe Forsberg depending on how both are performing) to get called up and assume the starting spot.
I think it will be:
Bob
McElhinney
Korpisalo/Forsberg
Then if Bob gets hurt:
Korpisalo
McElhinney
Forsberg
ECHL guy
This approach maximizes exposure for Bob, Korpisalo, and Forsberg. The problem comes if Bob simply doesn't play well. In that case, it may have been better to start Korpisalo up in the NHL.
That means Korpisalo and Forsberg will be back in Cleveland splitting starts 50/50.
Then, if Bob gets injured, I expect Korpisalo (or maybe Forsberg depending on how both are performing) to get called up and assume the starting spot.
I think it will be:
Bob
McElhinney
Korpisalo/Forsberg
Then if Bob gets hurt:
Korpisalo
McElhinney
Forsberg
ECHL guy
This approach maximizes exposure for Bob, Korpisalo, and Forsberg. The problem comes if Bob simply doesn't play well. In that case, it may have been better to start Korpisalo up in the NHL.
Saad needs to be 1LW and I prefer bjorkstrand with hartsy. I think the C order should be wennberg-dubi-karlsson . The rest can be plugged in.
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I think Torts is going to, at least initially, attempt to shelter Wennberg. Which means Dubi will start most of the games and fill the traditional #1 C spot on the lineup card.
That means Saad and Bjorkstrand will be on the 2nd line due to either established or anticipated chemistry with Wennberg, and Jenner/Atkinson will be with Dubi.
The lines will be numbered as a formality, though, and should see relatively equal minutes.
That means Saad and Bjorkstrand will be on the 2nd line due to either established or anticipated chemistry with Wennberg, and Jenner/Atkinson will be with Dubi.
The lines will be numbered as a formality, though, and should see relatively equal minutes.
There's no defined order in the top 6 until one of those centers can really establish themselves. Until then they will rotate those top 3 lines with Dubinsky likely getting bulk of the defensive responsibilities. If Wennberg is the #1C it'll be because he earned it, it's not going to be handed to him. And in that scenario he's likely a 55-65 pt player. But that's best case scenario and this is the Jackets we're talking about
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If Wennberg keeps up where he left off, and he and his linemates are scoring in bunches, then Torts won't be able to shelter him. If they're obviously the most dangerous scoring unit on the team they'll get attention. Though they might keep getting an easier balance of offensive zone starts, like last year.
And like you said, the #1C on the lineup card is just a formality at this point.
That's not exactly what I WANT, but I think it's what we're gonna GET. That lineup should NOT be the 27th place team in the league. More like the 20th or 21st.
These are the lines I think Tort's will go with not what I think they should be, Dubi's line is the shut down line:
Saad-Wennberg-Foligno
Hartnell-Karlsson-Bjorkstrand
Jenner-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Calvert-Gagner-Andy
Clarkson/Campbell
Murray-Jones
Johnson-Savard
Werenski-Prout
Golo
Bob
CMAC
Saad-Wennberg-Foligno
Hartnell-Karlsson-Bjorkstrand
Jenner-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Calvert-Gagner-Andy
Clarkson/Campbell
Murray-Jones
Johnson-Savard
Werenski-Prout
Golo
Bob
CMAC
Saad-Dubinsky-Foligno
Hartnell-Wennberg-Björkstrand
Jenner-Gagner-Atkinson
Calvert-Karlsson-Anderson
Murray-Jones
Johnson-Savard
Werenski-Goloubef
Bob/Korpisalo
CMac
Hartnell-Wennberg-Björkstrand
Jenner-Gagner-Atkinson
Calvert-Karlsson-Anderson
Murray-Jones
Johnson-Savard
Werenski-Goloubef
Bob/Korpisalo
CMac
I really like the lines that have been posted so far, as it is pretty similar to what I have been projecting over the summer. With that being said, I'd like to propose a few different options for the forwards.
Thinking back to last season, there were several pairings of forwards that worked very well. Saad/Wenns, Dubi/Atkinson, Calvert/Karlsson, and Karlsson/Foligno towards the end of the year. I forget where this was posted, but there was some good data that backed up the idea that Jenner and Dubi should be separated, as they had pretty poor possession and scoring rates when skating together. I think that whether or not PLD makes the club out of camp, Jenner should see some time at C. We have plenty of depth at the wings and this could give us more flexibility down the middle.
Saad-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand
Hartnell-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Foligno-Jenner-Gagner
Calvert-Karlsson-Anderson
If PLD ends up making the club with these F lines:
Saad-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand
Hartnell-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Foligno-Jenner-Dubois ... or Jenner-Dubois-Foligno (based on C preference)
Calvert-Karlsson-Gagner
Defensively, I would reeeeally like to see Werenski paired with Savard. I know that Johnson and Savard seem like the ideal second pairing, but Prout isn't exactly the greatest skater or that great defensively. So pairing him with Jack offers Werenski some more leeway offensively with Savard.
Murray-Jones
Werenski-Savard
Johnson-Prout
Bobrovsky-Korpisalo
McBackup in CLE.
Thinking back to last season, there were several pairings of forwards that worked very well. Saad/Wenns, Dubi/Atkinson, Calvert/Karlsson, and Karlsson/Foligno towards the end of the year. I forget where this was posted, but there was some good data that backed up the idea that Jenner and Dubi should be separated, as they had pretty poor possession and scoring rates when skating together. I think that whether or not PLD makes the club out of camp, Jenner should see some time at C. We have plenty of depth at the wings and this could give us more flexibility down the middle.
Saad-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand
Hartnell-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Foligno-Jenner-Gagner
Calvert-Karlsson-Anderson
If PLD ends up making the club with these F lines:
Saad-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand
Hartnell-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Foligno-Jenner-Dubois ... or Jenner-Dubois-Foligno (based on C preference)
Calvert-Karlsson-Gagner
Defensively, I would reeeeally like to see Werenski paired with Savard. I know that Johnson and Savard seem like the ideal second pairing, but Prout isn't exactly the greatest skater or that great defensively. So pairing him with Jack offers Werenski some more leeway offensively with Savard.
Murray-Jones
Werenski-Savard
Johnson-Prout
Bobrovsky-Korpisalo
McBackup in CLE.
The info was from this site (Dubinsky's page linked). Their scoring rates together were great, the problem was that the goals against numbers were terrible.
I'd suggest making that lines' job easier, but perhaps ultimately they do need to be split up.
Edit: I like your lines. I'd say if you're going to pair Foligno and Jenner, then Anderson might be a better linemate than Gagner. Only because Foligno-Jenner-Anderson made this beauty happen late last year, in their little bit of time together.
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If Karlsson centers the second line, this will result in either one of two things; (a) the CBJ will be in the playoffs, or (b) they will finish 27th again. More likely the latter than the former.
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There was lengthy discussion about Jenner-Dubi in the PLD thread.
I think Jenner with Hartnell is actually a better set based on WOWY and GA%.
But really there's just tons of combinations to try because of the flexibility of so many players.
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Really depends on if Anderson and/or Dubois sticks with the team, as well as if Gagner starts the year in CLE. I'd say probably not.
Looking at these lineups make me sad. When your center depth is Wennberg, Dubinsky, Karlsson and Campbell youre not going far
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Does Gagner make you feel any better? (He doesn't me, but...)
What about Dubois?
