Liljegren needs a long term contract

[HockeyVirus]

Sandin has shown flashes, he's had injury troubles. It makes sense to bridge him a few years, especially with the depth on LD. However, Liljegren has gotten better and better as the season has gone on and is already our best RHD. Even though our cap is tight, he needs a deal with term. This is a guy who will be our Pesce, Manson, etc who is a solid top 4 RHD with the ability to play on the top pair for years and years for a nice cheap cap hit.

If we bridge him, he will be looking at 6M+ on his next deal easily. I think we can get him for 3-4M for 5-6 years this offseason and it would be an absolute steal

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[Sypher04]

In some ways it’s a tough call, there’s insane value to keeping him at a sub 2 million salary, particularly for a contending team with such a large amount tied up in their forward group. While the cap remains largely flat. But what you’re saying about him being likely quite expensive contract after this is entirely plausible. There’s a clear balancing act here. But I do support a long term deal

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Agree whole heartedly .. this kid Lily is for real .. he will continue to get better .. and he has ALL da skills required .. he can SKATE .. he can skate FAST .. he mixes it up .. he can HIT .. he will learn positioning/partnering as he plays more BUT he has ALL NHL skills .. whether you guys like to hear it or not Sandin does not - Sandin can't skate FAST (stride is way too short) .. he would be by top priority sign this summer LT

 

[IPS]

I might be overrating him a bit but he honestly reminds me of Josh Morrissey when he was coming up with the Jets. It'd be insane if they left him out of the playoffs, they could very well be his coming out party.

 

[AuraSphere]

Offer him 3.5-4M at 6-8 yeaers, hopefully he does it

Muzzin and Mrazek being moved would do wonders for our cap

 

[Nylanderthal]

Offer him 3.5-4M at 6-8 yeaers, hopefully he does it

Muzzin and Mrazek being moved would do wonders for our cap

Muzz holl mrazek & Kerfoot are almost $15m to redistribute in the line up.

 

[AuraSphere]

Muzz holl mrazek & Kerfoot are almost $15m to redistribute in the line up.

Exactly and all of them can be replaced internally by our prospects banging at the door in Knies, Robertson, Sandin, Liljegren

Resign Gio/Lybush should be fairly cheap as well

 

[Nylanderthal]

Exactly and all of them can be replaced internally by our prospects banging at the door in Knies, Robertson, Sandin, Liljegren

Resign Gio/Lybush should be fairly cheap as well

If you can bring back Gio & Boosh for 2.5-3m total that’s a ~$5m cap savings over holl muzz. That’s huge, and enough to bridge Rasmus (1.5 x2) and lock up Timmy(4m x 6-7).
Reilly Brodie
Gio Lilly
Sandin Boosh

 

[Funk21]

I think you likely have to go above 4 to get an 8 year deal but would be a good idea. He may only want to go 6-7 years so he get another Max term deal. If so that number as suggested should be in the 3.5-4 per year. Lot of scrutiny if he gets that but I think it would be a reasonable contract for both sides. Secure that and bridge Sandin 1.5x2 And we lock up two more pieces on the back end along with Rielly.

I really think they are going to try to get Myers back to the NHL. If we strike out on Lyubushkin or we decide to go younger Myers is a big physical presence who could provide the heavy lifting while Sandin does his thing.

I’d like to see them trade Muzzin or Robidas island his contract. He is done IMO. If we could trade alway some futures to land Chychrun our D IMO would be one of the best in the NHL.

2022-2023 TML
Rielly Brodie
Chychrun Liljegren
Sandin Myers
Gio

 

[Sundinisagod]

If you can bring back Gio & Boosh for 2.5-3m total that’s a ~$5m cap savings over holl muzz. That’s huge, and enough to bridge Rasmus (1.5 x2) and lock up Timmy(4m x 6-7).
Reilly Brodie
Gio Lilly
Sandin Boosh

Gio and Boosh will more likely be 5-6m combined imho.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Gio and Boosh will more likely be 5-6m combined imho.

Not a chance. Boosh will be 1.5-2m and Gio takes something like the Simmonds or Spezza deals. 750K-1.5m.

 

[The Iceman]

Am I reading Lily who has been in and out of our lineup suggested to sign and 6,7, or 8 year deal...he is not Reilly

 

[rdogg]

Am I reading Lily who has been in and out of our lineup suggested to sign and 6,7, or 8 year deal...he is not Reilly

This is true.

He is Timoth

 

[Menzinger]

The question is how much do we think he will actually be worth it once he starts to hit his prime. If we think he has a legit shot at being a 5-7 mil guy it's likely worth it. If he's going to end up as more of a 3-5 mil a year guy it's probably not worth the long term deal unless he's willing to sign for like 1.8-2.8ish for 7-8 years

 

[nuck]

Gio and Boosh will more likely be 5-6m combined imho.

I would think no more than $4M for the pair. I don't have Nylanderthal's confidence Gio will sign for Simmonds money but the guy has already earned over $60M so we can't be too shocked if he did so could be well under $4M.

I don't think they can take the long view with Lilly and Sandin, more like whatever is easiest on the cap for the next 2-3 seasons. Spending a bit more to lock in future discount years squeezes the club more today when they need every dollar to solve the goaltending situation, and hopefully in 3 years the cap is growing again (and Matthews and Marner don't inhale it all.)

 

[Sundinisagod]

I would think no more than $4M for the pair. I don't have Nylanderthal's confidence Gio will sign for Simmonds money but the guy has already earned over $60M so we can't be too shocked if he did so could be well under $4M.

I don't think they can take the long view with Lilly and Sandin, more like whatever is easiest on the cap for the next 2-3 seasons. Spending a bit more to lock in future discount years squeezes the club more today when they need every dollar to solve the goaltending situation, and hopefully in 3 years the cap is growing again (and Matthews and Marner don't inhale it all.)

Gio is our #3 and only a few years removed from his Norris season. I think 3-4m for one year will be considered a discount by him.

This could be Boosh’s only chance to secure his (and his family’s future). He‘s gotten some good exposure here and many teams will be interested. I can’t see him accepting less than what Holl got, 2m x 3. I think we’ll end up losing him to a higher bidder.

Agreed on Dubas going short term with Lily and Sandin.

Fully expecting Matthews to get near max…Marner will get his too but there will be a bigger gap to Matthews this time. Think we’ll lose Nylander to ufa market.

Hopefully I’m wrong on most of these but that’s how I see it playing out.

 

[123offtheglass]

I'd just hope he signs for a reasonable long-term deal in a few years time if he becomes an elite D, this current window matters too much; they could be great for a long time but I'd put my money on this core's best years being these next few.

Cap space simply isn't a problem until it is. They know they're tight but contending with a few years left of their big guns' contracts for certain; shouldn't salvage the future but they need to make the most of these years for sure, then adjust for what's much more uncertain. The salary cap's short-term lack of inflation will force their hand on a deal like this.

Unless of course he wants to sign some long-term Scott Pippen like deal.

 

[BlueBaron]

From our point of view of course sign him for 2.5x8.

From his point of view he's a future top 4 D who needs much more than that for 8 years.

I'm a bit nervous about this one because we may have to short term him until signing him hurt long term hurts.

 

[Maplebeasts]

The question is how much do we think he will actually be worth it once he starts to hit his prime. If we think he has a legit shot at being a 5-7 mil guy it's likely worth it. If he's going to end up as more of a 3-5 mil a year guy it's probably not worth the long term deal unless he's willing to sign for like 1.8-2.8ish for 7-8 years

He is almost certainly going to be at least a guy who can anchor a second pairing if not play top pairing. He Leads Leaf dmen in points/60, GF%, xGF%, corsi, fenwick and has been scoring at a 40+ point pace for the better part of 4 months now while getting only 10 minutes of powerplay time total on the season heading into this game. I legitimately think he's going to turn into a good top pairing guy if not a #1 outright. His advanced stats are mind blowing and his production is pretty good considering the lack of ice time at 5 on 5 and the powerplay.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

It'd be a huge gamble for both sides for him to sign long-term. You don't see many players his age and with such little experience sign a 6/7 year deal at a good cap hit, for good reason. The blue line is also getting very crowded at this point and moves will have to made this summer. Giordano is definitely back, who knows what happens with Muzzin, Sandin is a question mark given his age and history, Holl is Holl etc. I say this because Lilly is likely to take on a big role from now on, and it wouldn't make much sense from his view to sign cheap. I'm sure his agent feels the same way.

 

[Stephen]

Maybe the strategic bridge length gets him to the Marner/Tavares UFA year at which point you can stickhandle a heftier re-sign along with Tavares' deal coming off the books.

I think over the next 1-3 years you try to strategically move off Muzzin (this summer) and probably Brodie and or Holl next to transition to the next era.

 

[Buds17]

I think a long term deal (5+ years) might be a bit ambitious here. That said, I think the others on the projected blueline for next season will factor into this. Replacing Muzzin and Holl with Giordano and Lyubushkin should combine to be (quite?) cheaper against the cap. Of course, there are no guarantees that such a plan can come to fruition though.

 

[Mugzy97]

Gio is our #3 and only a few years removed from his Norris season. I think 3-4m for one year will be considered a discount by him.

This could be Boosh’s only chance to secure his (and his family’s future). He‘s gotten some good exposure here and many teams will be interested. I can’t see him accepting less than what Holl got, 2m x 3. I think we’ll end up losing him to a higher bidder.

Agreed on Dubas going short term with Lily and Sandin.

Fully expecting Matthews to get near max…Marner will get his too but there will be a bigger gap to Matthews this time. Think we’ll lose Nylander to ufa market.

Hopefully I’m wrong on most of these but that’s how I see it playing out.

3-4M for Gio is not happening lol

 

[57 Years No Cup]

The fanboyism in this thread is high. Four years at no more than $3 million per. Tim has proven nothing.

 

[IPS]

I think a long term deal (5+ years) might be a bit ambitious here. That said, I think the others on the projected blueline for next season will factor into this. Replacing Muzzin and Holl with Giordano and Lyubushkin should combine to be (quite?) cheaper against the cap. Of course, there are no guarantees that such a plan can come to fruition though.

A very cap efficient D would be:

Rielly-Lyubushkin
Giordano-Liljegren
Sandin-Brodie

Might not be the most name-value defense but it would be very cheap and effective.