Prospect Info: Lias Andersson - Part IV

[kovazub94]

I think that you're being really generous with that assessment. Look at what he, himself, had to say in April:

"...It seemed to compound his feelings of melancholy, which manifested into poor eating and sleeping habits. He admitted that he began taking sleeping pills, which he said was in part due to undisclosed injuries to his feet.

"I sat playing video games all night, just waiting for the Swedes to wake up to go to work at home so I could call," Andersson said. "I had trouble sleeping and started taking a sleeping pill every now and then. ... It could have been worse if I let it continue...."

Thank you! I don’t believe for a second that video games and calls to Sweden had not started way before his alleged feet issues.

And by the way, what an advanced medical practice to treat feet injury with sleeping pills. Should look into it just in case for the future.

 

[kovazub94]

Nights away? Where?

How would coaches know anything about what he dis at night after practice in his room?

These are assumptions.

Look at the post from @haohmaru above that quotes Andersson’s own statement.

And sorry if it wasn’t clear but I was say that coaches would notice a lack of energy and alertness from Lias that would make them choose Howden over Andersson when it came to giving more important assignments.

 

[QJL]

Look at the post from @haohmaru above that quotes Andersson’s own statement.

I’m aware of the quotes and have been since they came out. There is no mention of coach awareness. If Andersson made mistakes, owned up to them, and thought they were the source of the hand he was dealt here, wouldn’t he own up to getting what he deserved with the demotion? He hasn’t. You’re drawing a line that doesn’t exist.

 

[kovazub94]

I’m aware of the quotes and have been since they came out. There is no mention of coach awareness. If Andersson made mistakes, owned up to them, and thought they were the source of the hand he was dealt here, wouldn’t he own up to getting what he deserved with the demotion? He hasn’t. You’re drawing a line that doesn’t exist.

I edited my post to make my point more apparent.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

If someone still can't figure out this kid has an attitude problem by now, after throwing his medal in the crowd and bailing on the organization that took a leap to draft him at #7 then i don't know what to tell you, i guess you really hate Howden enough to ignore the red flags everywhere surrounding Anderson. That kid needs to suck it up and realize the team is trying to help him and they don't have anything to gain by treating him badly, it's nonsense.

 

[mas0764]

^ How do we know he’s not?

Also kinda tired of hearing the “it’s 100% his fault,” takes. There’s a difference between saying “this wouldn’t have happened if he hadn’t reacted like he did,” and saying “it’s 100% his fault.” The former is probably true and the latter probably is not.

Andersson deserves his share of the blame but I don’t see the evidence for any conclusion that he’s beyond rehabilitation either as a personality or a hockey player, other than spitefulness.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

^ How do we know he’s not?

Also kinda tired of hearing the “it’s 100% his fault,” takes. There’s a difference between saying “this wouldn’t have happened if he hadn’t reacted like he did,” and saying “it’s 100% his fault.” The former is probably true and the latter probably is not.

Andersson deserves his share of the blame but I don’t see the evidence for any conclusion that he’s beyond rehabilitation either as a personality or a hockey player, other than spitefulness.

Issues like these are rarely 100% the fault of one party. The situation as a whole is a mess. And it was mismanaged by the Rangers, the Wolf Pack coaching staff, Lias and his agent. It's tough to say who has the bigger share in the blame here but it's never just the player or just the team, unless it's something exceptional like Kovacs

 

[mrmovies779]

Issues like these are rarely 100% the fault of one party. The situation as a whole is a mess. And it was mismanaged by the Rangers, the Wolf Pack coaching staff, Lias and his agent. It's tough to say who has the bigger share in the blame here but it's never just the player or just the team, unless it's something exceptional like Kovacs

What were the Rangers supposed to do when,from most reports,they had no idea he was having any issues until he basically took his ball and went home??

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

What were the Rangers supposed to do when,from most reports,they had no idea he was having any issues until he basically took his ball and went home??

Well, this right here. Just because you don't know, doesn't mean you are blameless. I just don't believe there are a lot of situations where the blame falls solely on 1 side. Rangers could (should) have handled this better as well. This could have been prevented if there was a better system in place to identify players having these types of issues.

Again, this doesn't absolve Lias from any blame but it's a 2-way street.

 

[mrmovies779]

Well, this right here. Just because you don't know, doesn't mean you are blameless. I just don't believe there are a lot of situations where the blame falls solely on 1 side. Rangers could (should) have handled this better as well. This could have been prevented if there was a better system in place to identify players having these types of issues.

Again, this doesn't absolve Lias from any blame but it's a 2-way street.

I fail to see how any team can take measures to fix any potential problem if/when they had no idea their was 1 to begin with.I also find it hard to believe if they were aware he was having problems of any sort,they werent doing everything in their power to help him.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I fail to see how any team can take measures to fix any potential problem if/when they had no idea their was 1 to begin with.I also find it hard to believe if they were aware he was having problems of any sort,they werent doing everything in their power to help him.

Other teams seem to have better structures in place. When it happens to two of your top prospects in the same year, it's short-sighted to just chalk it up to "the player is 100% to blame here".

I relocated abroad for work a few times. And I have experienced the difference in how it was approached by employers.

 

[mrmovies779]

Other teams seem to have better structures in place. When it happens to two of your top prospects in the same year, it's short-sighted to just chalk it up to "the player is 100% to blame here".

I relocated abroad for work a few times. And I have experienced the difference in how it was approached by employers.

I never said the player was 100% to blame in this instance,my only point was you can have the best kind of systems/structures in place,if the problem never rears its ugly head to where you actually notice it,its near impossible to detect and attempt to fix.The entire situation sucks regardless and makes both parties look bad regardless of who actually does deserve more of the blame.

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

That is the M.O. of Rangers fans. Never blame the coach, always blame the player. Much like never blame the forwards, always blame the defenseman.

 

[eco's bones]

It's hard to say what happened last year with Andersson and Kravtsov. They both should become NHL players still---it's just that they have to earn their spot. For Andersson his ceiling is second line center/wing but I don't think his skating is going to get him to a 2C spot---maybe a 2LW but all that might happen on another team. IMO he's not going to go directly there either. He's going to need to solidify himself as a bottom 6 player first.

Any case the question in Lias's mind shouldn't be--I'm a better player than Brett Howden, why's he on the team and I'm not?--it should be what is Brett Howden doing better? Role filling on a team isn't exactly all merit based. Andersson can be a better player but if Howden is better for a 4th line center role---Howden gets the job.

Kravtsov reminded me a lot of Buchnevich last year--though a younger version. He needs to get stronger--he also probably needs to develop a 200' game and from that the offense will come. He took a step back last year.

What role did Rangers management and coaching have in these two players falling short of expectations?--I don't know but I think there was some. Both Andersson's and Kravtsov's seasons reeked of personal disappointment which is not a place where you'd want such important players for your future to be at. It seems when interventions finally did come they came too late. You have to let players know where they are in terms of roles are how close they are and be clear about it but also offer them real encouragement to get over hurdles. We talked a few days back about a coach needing also to be a psychologist but it's true---that said even psychologists sometimes have need of psychology.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

^ How do we know he’s not?

Also kinda tired of hearing the “it’s 100% his fault,” takes. There’s a difference between saying “this wouldn’t have happened if he hadn’t reacted like he did,” and saying “it’s 100% his fault.” The former is probably true and the latter probably is not.

Andersson deserves his share of the blame but I don’t see the evidence for any conclusion that he’s beyond rehabilitation either as a personality or a hockey player, other than spitefulness.

Who said he was beyond rehabilitation ? Ive been saying all year he is still going to be a good player but he has to suck it up and come to N.A. The Rangers offered an olive branch this post season by giving him a spot on the taxi squad, something that could have bridged any issues the team and him might have had and showed he was willing to do his part but he rejected it. I get it, its covid times but K'andre Miller had 0 chance of actually playing games and he went to camp, those are the things you do if you wanna be successful in the nhl. There was a chance he could have gotten in the lineup this year with Lemieux suspended and the Fast injury since he was skating during the break.

 

[Leetch3]

to me the biggest blame goes to not communicating the problems he was having with the teams, which I'm assuming is true since he said it. had he told them maybe they could have helped him work thru it or maybe they would have decided to loan him back to sweden anyway but he would have had to walk out...

but assuming that he spoke to his agent before leaving, then I put the blame on his agents/advisors more than anything. lias was a kid in over his head and reacted like a dumb kid. it would be nice if he had that maturity but he is still a kid. he pays his agent to look out for his best interest and IMO if his agent was doing his job there would have been a conversation with the rangers before it got to the point of walking out to figure out what was best for his client. and now Lias looks like a guy that walked out on his team cause his agent didn't do that

 

[Edge]

It's hard to say what happened last year with Andersson and Kravtsov. They both should become NHL players still---it's just that they have to earn their spot. For Andersson his ceiling is second line center/wing but I don't think his skating is going to get him to a 2C spot---maybe a 2LW but all that might happen on another team. IMO he's not going to go directly there either. He's going to need to solidify himself as a bottom 6 player first.

Any case the question in Lias's mind shouldn't be--I'm a better player than Brett Howden, why's he on the team and I'm not?--it should be what is Brett Howden doing better? Role filling on a team isn't exactly all merit based. Andersson can be a better player but if Howden is better for a 4th line center role---Howden gets the job.

Kravtsov reminded me a lot of Buchnevich last year--though a younger version. He needs to get stronger--he also probably needs to develop a 200' game and from that the offense will come. He took a step back last year.

What role did Rangers management and coaching have in these two players falling short of expectations?--I don't know but I think there was some. Both Andersson's and Kravtsov's seasons reeked of personal disappointment which is not a place where you'd want such important players for your future to be at. It seems when interventions finally did come they came too late. You have to let players know where they are in terms of roles are how close they are and be clear about it but also offer them real encouragement to get over hurdles. We talked a few days back about a coach needing also to be a psychologist but it's true---that said even psychologists sometimes have need of psychology.

I think part of the problem is that the organization went with the "we want to get them under team control as soon as possible" approach. As a result, you had kids playing in the AHL at a younger age than this organization was accustomed to. While that worked for an 18 year old Chytil, it might not have worked for a 19 year old Andersson and Kravtsov. Factoring in cultural and language barriers, that approach potentially requires a different type of support network than the one you implement for a 20 or 21 year old Minnesota kid coming out of college.

I don't think the Rangers were fully prepared for what that required.

 

[Kovalev27]

I think there’s a lot of coddling going on here for a kid that we know can be a baby. He didn’t get mins he thought he deserved from the start of the season and instead of working thru it like most legit nhl rookies do he sulked and sulked and sulked until he was demoted and then he sulked some more and went home. Brett Howden on the other hand played wherever they put him good or bad worked and worked and worked and kept his mouth shut. He’s a first round pick too. He didn’t complain and the coaches started to trust him more. This isn’t on the organization there mistake was drafting this kid so high. This is on the player for thinking he deserved something he didn’t. He also showed up to camp the first two years out of shape. You think that earns you any points? It doesn’t.

this is 100% on him

 

[NYSPORTS]

I think there’s a lot of coddling going on here for a kid that we know can be a baby. He didn’t get mins he thought he deserved from the start of the season and instead of working thru it like most legit nhl rookies do he sulked and sulked and sulked until he was demoted and then he sulked some more and went home. Brett Howden on the other hand played wherever they put him good or bad worked and worked and worked and kept his mouth shut. He’s a first round pick too. He didn’t complain and the coaches started to trust him more. This isn’t on the organization there mistake was drafting this kid so high. This is on the player for thinking he deserved something he didn’t. He also showed up to camp the first two years out of shape. You think that earns you any points? It doesn’t.

this is 100% on him

when two of your top prospects take off the odds are something is broken. If you want to blame the players 100% the scouting department gets a pass? Hartford gets a pass? You’re dealing with a teenager and 20 yr old. All the adults get a pass? Two top 10 picks take off and only they are to blame? Well, the somebody had better ask the scouting department to justify their existence then.

 

[Chytilmania]

when two of your top prospects take off the odds are something is broken. If you want to blame the players 100% the scouting department gets a pass? Hartford gets a pass? You’re dealing with a teenager and 20 yr old. All the adults get a pass? Two top 10 picks take off and only they are to blame? Well, the somebody had better ask the scouting department to justify their existence then.

Agreed, you'd think they spend a good amount of time with these potential top 10 picks before the draft. They should be aware of any "attitude issues."
I think it comes down to lack of communication from the organization along with a little immaturity from the two of them. They had certain expectations, and arguably earned them in preseason, only to get demoted. As a 19-20 year old who is used to being one of the top guys that can certainly be frustrating. It would be nice if they handled their business like Chytil or Kakko but when you have AHL level talent, a defenseman and Brett Howden playing ahead of you after a solid camp and preseason, I would be pissed too.
Plus that BS 180 BPM heart rate test.

 

[Kovalev27]

when two of your top prospects take off the odds are something is broken. If you want to blame the players 100% the scouting department gets a pass? Hartford gets a pass? You’re dealing with a teenager and 20 yr old. All the adults get a pass? Two top 10 picks take off and only they are to blame? Well, the somebody had better ask the scouting department to justify their existence then.

i don’t put Kravtsov and Andersson in the same situation. Do I like that Kravtsov exercised his clause to go back? Not really but that’s perfectly normal for a Russian prospect and sure enough he came right back. He’s shown some immaturity for sure but certainly not a lack of effort n

what Andersson has done since day one is on him. Including embarrassing himself at traverse city showing up out of shape.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I think there’s a lot of coddling going on here for a kid that we know can be a baby. He didn’t get mins he thought he deserved from the start of the season and instead of working thru it like most legit nhl rookies do he sulked and sulked and sulked until he was demoted and then he sulked some more and went home. Brett Howden on the other hand played wherever they put him good or bad worked and worked and worked and kept his mouth shut. He’s a first round pick too. He didn’t complain and the coaches started to trust him more. This isn’t on the organization there mistake was drafting this kid so high. This is on the player for thinking he deserved something he didn’t. He also showed up to camp the first two years out of shape. You think that earns you any points? It doesn’t.

this is 100% on him

I agree with this 90%, but given the investment NHL teams make in these picks, it behooves them all – including the Rangers – to have whatever system in place that they need to try to cut off such problems, even if they are mostly due to the players' own immaturity.

 

[Profet]

That is the M.O. of Rangers fans. Never blame the coach, always blame the player. Much like never blame the forwards, always blame the defenseman.

Muckler, Trottier, etc... all got passes from the fans. There were never ever jeers calling for their heads. Not once.

 

[Ghost of jas]

i don’t put Kravtsov and Andersson in the same situation. Do I like that Kravtsov exercised his clause to go back? Not really but that’s perfectly normal for a Russian prospect and sure enough he came right back. He’s shown some immaturity for sure but certainly not a lack of effort n

what Andersson has done since day one is on him. Including embarrassing himself at traverse city showing up out of shape.

The critics who want to blame the Rangers are lumping them together, but I see two differences. One, the talent level, and two, Kravtsov has already clearly made amends with the organization, as he already returned to Hartford, and practiced with the team inside the bubble. I still see a future here for Kravtsov; I don't see one for Andersson.

 

[Kovalev27]

The critics who want to blame the Rangers are lumping them together, but I see two differences. One, the talent level, and two, Kravtsov has already clearly made amends with the organization, as he already returned to Hartford, and practiced with the team inside the bubble. I still see a future here for Kravtsov; I don't see one for Andersson.

I mean this kid wouldn’t even take John Davidson’s phone calls? Like wtf does he think he is?

here’s what happened mika Zibanejad said listen bro you gotta get in shape like actual shape to have any shot to play in the nhl. So to his credit the kid actually did that and had a good preseason but since he had to earn mins he felt slighted and like I said instead of proving himself and making even a SMIDGE of a difference on the ice he did absolutely nothing. I mean nothing. No flashes nothing. And Quinn is supposed to give him more ice while Brett Howden is busting his tail out there? No way. Doesn’t owe him anything. And what he proved right to everyone is he couldn’t take a little adversity. He ran home. That’s not what an nhler does. That not how you make it at that level.

the opposite of what kravtsov did. He realized his mistake he came back he busted his butt he missed his sisters wedding to practice with us and now is looking very good to start the year. That’s what nhlers do.

look what fil Chytil did. That’s all you need to know about the mental make up between those kids. You think they treated Andersson any worse than Fil? How bout Ryan Lindgren sent down didn’t pout came back stronger just to add another one. This is what real legit NHL prospects that aren’t out the gate stars ALL go thru to make it. How many times did Chris Kreider get bounced around? Think he took any days off? No it’s absurd to think so