Recalled/Assigned: Lias Andersson - Part III (Loaned to SHL)

[SA16]

Name one team where "most of the players" they drafted have done something in the NHL.

The Cleveland Barons. 5 of their 8 picks made the NHL.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The Cleveland Barons. 5 of their 8 picks made the NHL.

Whoever their director of player personnel was... HIRE THAT MAN!

 

[effen]

the only question now is how can we fold Ryan Graves being +34 into this discussion.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

and people think this guy scouts well. the best first round picks recently has been Chris Kreider and Brady Skjei. nothing on them but that is not that impressive for how long Gordie has been here. awful at evaluating talent. if Kreider is the best player drafted in the 1st round since 2006 that is an issue. not counting Chytil, Kakko etc

I thought he did a good job building depth within the organization during the time they competed. The 2013-2014 team was extremely deep, but lacked the top end talent necessary to get over the hump.

I am heavily concerned about where that depth will come from as this new window opens, and his checkered history with top 10 picks not named Kakko.

 

[bigdog16]

and people think this guy scouts well. the best first round picks recently has been Chris Kreider and Brady Skjei. nothing on them but that is not that impressive for how long Gordie has been here. awful at evaluating talent. if Kreider is the best player drafted in the 1st round since 2006 that is an issue. not counting Chytil, Kakko etc

To be fair from 2006-2017 we only made 7 first round picks. Kreider, Skjei, JT Miller were all solid picks. You never know what would have happened with Cherapanov. Sanguinetti, Del Zotto, McIlrath, Andersson bad picks, but the former were latter half of the first round picks + Del Zotto carved out a career for himself

 

[Thirty One]

I wonder if there really was a thawing, or both parties realized its in their interest that it's presented like that.

 

[Vitto79]

the only question now is how can we fold Ryan Graves being +34 into this discussion.

I just don’t get how he didn’t get a shot that year ? O’Gara , Gilmour played

 

[RangersFan1994]

Andersson and Buchnevich for Bennett, Dube and 2ed in 2020

Apparently Sam Bennett, wants out so would this work for both teams?

 

[nyr2k2]

I just don’t get how he didn’t get a shot that year ? O’Gara , Gilmour played

He really wasn't having a good season. He looked like he was regressing. The trade was made I think because he really needed a change of scenery.

I think Graves is good but this crazy +/- thing is a total aberration and is making people believe he's better than he is. I have no doubt he'll have a good career, but he's not the AS-caliber player his numbers suggest. IMO, anyway.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Surely people are HAPPY that JD and LA are speaking, right? That we're not just burning an asset because he threw a fit? We all see the bigger picture here, right?

RIGHT?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Basically drafted a 2nd or 3rd round pick with our first round pick.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I just don’t get how he didn’t get a shot that year ? O’Gara , Gilmour played

I was also shocked that they gave up on him so fast without even giving him a chance in NHL.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Surely people are HAPPY that JD and LA are speaking, right? That we're not just burning an asset because he threw a fit? We all see the bigger picture here, right?

RIGHT?

So you are implying Lias has 2 right feet, right?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Basically drafted a 2nd or 3rd round pick with our first round pick.

What a garbage statement.

Lias was not dropping out of the top-15 in that draft. It was pretty crappy after 6.

 

[Baby Punisher]

Here was a player who had a decent shot and speed. Good puck skills and hockey IQ. Had size and was a two way player. But from what I saw, he never brought those to the table for any length of time and seemed to understand that there were many players in the NHL that possessed the same and excelled. I don't know if he felt ordinary or that his game didn't match his expectations of how it was supposed to be. All I saw was that instead of playing the game with desperation and tying your laces a little bit tighter, he went in the opposite direction. Lost confidence in himself and was unable to to take that step back up to playing hockey like he envisioned. I still believe that in time he will be able to right himself mentally and be a productive player. But not at this NHL level yet. He needs to get back to basics.

Basically Anderson is a special little snowflake that was told his whole life how great he was, and once he got to the real world he learned the harsh reality that he isn't that special, the exact opposite, he is ordinary and has to work for things that he wants, and if he doesn't there will be consequences. The poster boy for why you don't give out participation trophies.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Surely people are HAPPY that JD and LA are speaking, right? That we're not just burning an asset because he threw a fit? We all see the bigger picture here, right?

RIGHT?

its better than the alternative, but at this point he has a long way to go to regain any value, hence my lack of enthusiasm.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

What a garbage statement.

Lias was not dropping out of the top-15 in that draft. It was pretty crappy after 6.

His post appears to be implying that Lias has the trade value of a 2nd or 3rd rounder right now.

I tend to agree that it's "garbage", but more because no one would ever trade a 2nd round pick for Lias Andersson right now.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

His post appears to be implying that Lias has the trade value of a 2nd or 3rd rounder right now.

I tend to agree that it's "garbage", but more because no one would ever trade a 2nd round pick for Lias Andersson right now.

I'm not sure teams would offer a 2nd for him right now. He seems to be a piece the Rangers would add as part of a package.

 

[Tawnos]

I'm not sure teams would offer a 2nd for him right now. He seems to be a piece the Rangers would add as part of a package.

We do have a precedent for teams trading a 2nd for a former 1st round pick with perceived attitude issues. Tony DeAngelo.

That being said, I think this situation is somewhat worse than that one.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

What a garbage statement.

Lias was not dropping out of the top-15 in that draft. It was pretty crappy after 6.

This notion that Lias didn't deserve to be a top-15 pick is just flatout wrong. What happened recently doesn't change that.

Lias was one of the better players on a championship team in SHL in his draft year.
Lias broke records at the u20 level as a 17-year old
Lias led his u20 national team at several tournaments including the WJC

There was enough to warrant him being picked top-15, and after the top-6 it was a toss up who would go next. 2.5 years later, only Necas has really stood out among the remaining players drafted in the top-15. It's not as if there were sure-fire stars that were passed up on. For all the talk about missing out on Mittelstadt, he is now in the AHL. I can make a case for the other players picked after him as well.

Lias has not met expectations, but he was not a crazy reach on draft day. It also doesn't help that the NBC crew referred to him as most NHL-ready prospect available, which was then attributed to Rangers staff even though they never said it.

There's a lot to criticize here. Lias' actions (regardless of why, it looks bad), the way the Rangers handled this situation, his agent talking to a reporter about his mental state and so on, but drafting him 7th overall in a weak draft, where there were no clear favorites at that position, shouldn't be one of them.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

This notion that Lias didn't deserve to be a top-15 pick is just flatout wrong. What happened recently doesn't change that.

Lias was one of the better players on a championship team in SHL in his draft year.
Lias broke records at the u20 level as a 17-year old
Lias led his u20 national team at several tournaments including the WJC

There was enough to warrant him being picked top-15, and after the top-6 it was a toss up who would go next. 2.5 years later, only Necas has really stood out among the remaining players drafted in the top-15. It's not as if there were sure-fire stars that were passed up on. For all the talk about missing out on Mittelstadt, he is now in the AHL. I can make a case for the other players picked after him as well.

Lias has not met expectations, but he was not a crazy reach on draft day. It also doesn't help that the NBC crew referred to him as most NHL-ready prospect available, which was then attributed to Rangers staff even though they never said it.

There's a lot to criticize here. Lias' actions (regardless of why, it looks bad), the way the Rangers handled this situation, his agent talking to a reporter about his mental state and so on, but drafting him 7th overall in a weak draft, where there were no clear favorites at that position, shouldn't be one of them.

If teams knew he had serious issues with his feet, he would not have been taken in the 1st round.

Are you sure that Lias was not 18 when he "broke the records"?

 

[Hunter Gathers]

There's a lot to criticize here. Lias' actions (regardless of why, it looks bad), the way the Rangers handled this situation, his agent talking to a reporter about his mental state and so on, but drafting him 7th overall in a weak draft, where there were no clear favorites at that position, shouldn't be one of them.

Let's nip this little bit in the bud since it's already been spouted off a few times by some folks.

Lias INSTRUCTED his agent to make such a statement. Not sure how you missed that. This was confirmed.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

We do have a precedent for teams trading a 2nd for a former 1st round pick with perceived attitude issues. Tony DeAngelo.

That being said, I think this situation is somewhat worse than that one.

Agreed. In those scenarios, did said player pick up and leave the organization and not play organized hockey for over a month? That alone will make a depreciating asset depreciate more.

As others have stated, the higher end talent in the 2017 draft was within picks 1-6. That was pretty much the consensus. So while it's not an absurd whiff on taking Anderson, it does aggravate me that Clark and the scouting team kept raving about his intangibles/what a leader he would become --- then this situation happens.

 

[Fitzy]

Loaned to the SHL today.

Better than not playing I suppose.

 

[JimmyG89]

Guess things have thawed enough for him to get back onto the ice with a loan to HV71.

Hopefully this is part of the path back