Post-Game Talk: Leafs win 6-3

[aingefan]

I highly doubt we see Simmonds in the post season. Healthy Kase, signed Knies. I don't knowwww.

I dunno man, not sure how Kase gets back in at this point.

 

[aingefan]

Yeah he's as good a technical fighter as I've seen.

Yup, and nothing bad greasy; when it’s over, it’s over.

 

[riffle]

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[riffle]

Trust a woman to say something sensible.

The same darn thing happens all the time with my wife. Maybe yours too, if you have one.

Well, mine married me, so sensibility is not an option.

 

[aingefan]

I had to rewatch to see why Hayes wanted at Bunting so badly. I couldn't see much, I think Bunting just has a face you want to punch. Hayes looked so mad, I was laughing. Hayes isn't too bright.

Yeah, I didn’t see it either.
But I did see both Mo and Holl jump immediately to his defence.
Which was great.

 

[34]

They played 10 min out of 60 and still put number on the Flyers. On to Florida to beat the Panthers and Lightning next.

 

[Sypher04]

It's such a bad look on some people here when they get all bent out of shape over either of these things happening:

a) a woman expresses a hockey opinion
b) a non-NHLer or non-former NHLer expresses a hockey opinion

Jennifer Botteril is both, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the position she took on the broadcast. She is fully entitled to that opinion and the mere fact that Bieksa played in the NHL doesn't make his opinion any more valid here than hers.

 

[ITM]

Look at Jen Botterill's body language on this. It's worse than Jada Pinkett-Smith's after the GI Jane II joke. She's obviously extremely passionate about this. Kevin is like a fish out of water on that set with his opinion(s). It won't last there with him. Ron, Kelly and Jen looking at Kevin like he drives a truck.

Personally, I don't mind Jen's opinion. She's entitled to it. I even agree that the Beagle thing should never happen and should be punished. I also think it's fine to do something fine/suspension-wise with the pointless cross check, as well. All about bone jarring hits during the game but the after the whistle stuff needs to be handled better by the league.

Her position's kind of a canard that's allowed to stand - I guess - for discussion's sake. It's trotted too many times for my liking. More skill equals more entertainment. Fair enough. No one wants to see a hockey player who cant play hockey. True. Why make room for players who are strictly goons when actual talent languishes needlessly in the leagues below and abroad. Agreed.

But that's not her or other's actual premise. Their premise is that you can remove violence from hockey to make it a better game. And that's simply not true; You can't remove it's velocity and power. Because you can't discount the necessary circularity of accidental impact and the emotions that rightly infer that sometimes the accident is no accident.

The pointless cross-check, the incidental slew-foot, the wayward stick check, and on and on, aren't going anywhere. Neither are 6'7 centers and 6'8 defensemen who can skate and move like players from the 80s. To say the game will evolve beyond violence and the necessity to police violence from within is like saying eventually the pole will vault the person as high as they want regardless if they look like Sergei Bubka or Luciano Pavarotti.

Nothing wrong with a good laugh. But Pavarotti sized pole-vaulters succeeding isn't pole-vaulting, it's Jackass. And the NHL without violence is amateur women's hockey. And unpopular as it is for some that Sergei Bubka and Luciano Pavarotti are not of similar stature or accomplishment in pole-vaulting, it's simply true.

Similarly, you're right. Jen's entitled to her opinion and her confidence and her seat at the table. Likewise, there's nothing wrong with a good laugh.

 

[Superstar]

It's such a bad look on some people here when they get all bent out of shape over either of these things happening:

a) a woman expresses a hockey opinion
b) a non-NHLer or non-former NHLer expresses a hockey opinion

Jennifer Botteril is both, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the position she took on the broadcast. She is fully entitled to that opinion and the mere fact that Bieksa played in the NHL doesn't make his opinion any more valid here than hers.

No, Bieksa's opinion is not more valid because everyone is entitled to an opinion, but it is certainly more credible.

 

[Sypher04]

If the appetite was there to do so they absolutely could remove violent behavior from the game. The League clearly doesn't want to. And I'm not going to say whether that is right or wrong necessarily, because I think a certain element of fighting is good for the game. The cynic in me however says their motivations are purely financial. If they could remove it and not negatively impact the marketability/interest of the sport, I am confident they would. The problem becomes that, even still, a lot of fans find those things exciting and entertaining.

 

[ktownhockey]

I wonder if the Leafs could get a cheap trade for him.

Sadly, it would cost a TON. I would be in for it, if the price is right.

 

[Sypher04]

No, Bieksa's opinion is not more valid because everyone is entitled to an opinion, but it is certainly more credible.

Except it's not. It does not require the eyes of an NHL player to judge and comment on events of an NHL hockey game or what is in the best interest of the sport.

 

[riffle]

Her position's kind of canard that's allowed to stand - I guess - for discussion's sake. It's trotted too many times for my liking. More skill equals more entertainment. Fair enough. No one wants to see a hockey player who cant play hockey. True. Why make room for players who are strictly goons when actual talent languishes needlessly in the leagues below and abroad. Agreed.

But that's not her or other's actual premise. Their premise is that you can remove violence from hockey to make it a better game. And that's simply not true; You can't remove it's velocity and power. And because you can't you can't discount the necessary circularity of accidental impact and the emotions that rightly infer that sometimes the accident is no accident.

The pointless cross-check, the incidental slew-foot, the wayward stick check, and on and on, aren't going anywhere. Neither are 6'7 centers and 6'8 defensemen who can skate and move like players from the 80s. To say the game will evolve beyond violence and the necessity to police violence from within is like saying eventually the pole will vault the person has high as they want regardless if they look like Sergei Bubka or Luciano Pavarotti.

Nothing wrong with a good laugh. But Pavarotti sized pole-vaulters succeeding isn't pole-vaulting, it's Jackass. And the NHL without violence is amateur women's hockey. And unpopular as it is for some that Sergei Bubka and Luciano Pavarotti are not of similar stature or accomplishment in pole-vaulting, it's simply true.

Similarly, you're right. Jen's entitled to her opinion and her confidence and her seat at the table. Likewise, there's nothing wrong with a good laugh.

To me, her opinion seems to based on her desire to make the NHL indistinguishable from women's hockey for reasons I don't really want to get into.

I prefer men's hockey. I don't want there to cease being men's hockey for the sake of just hockey. There is also Olympic hockey. I enjoy that. Hoping hockey never becomes just one thing where it is exactly the same across the board.

 

[Superstar]

Except it's not. It does not take the eyes of an NHL player to judge and comment on these types of situations.

We could agree to disagree. Bieksa is speaking from experience of playing in the league, while Jen is just sharing her opinion because she thinks she knows better.

 

[Sypher04]

We could agree to disagree. Bieksa is speaking from experience of playing in the league, while Jen is just sharing her opinion because she thinks she knows better.

Well, his experience playing in the league doesn’t really get him any bonus points in an argument where all the relevant information to form an opinion is plainly laid out for everyone to see.

You say that she “thinks she knows better.”

Maybe she does.

Bieksa’s entire take during that segment was bad anyway. He defended the Beagle lack of discipline when he jumped a guy who clearly had no interest in fighting and beat the shit out of him.

 

[zeke]

Her position's kind of canard that's allowed to stand - I guess - for discussion's sake. It's trotted too many times for my liking. More skill equals more entertainment. Fair enough. No one wants to see a hockey player who cant play hockey. True. Why make room for players who are strictly goons when actual talent languishes needlessly in the leagues below and abroad. Agreed.

But that's not her or other's actual premise. Their premise is that you can remove violence from hockey to make it a better game. And that's simply not true; You can't remove it's velocity and power. And because you can't you can't discount the necessary circularity of accidental impact and the emotions that rightly infer that sometimes the accident is no accident.

The pointless cross-check, the incidental slew-foot, the wayward stick check, and on and on, aren't going anywhere. Neither are 6'7 centers and 6'8 defensemen who can skate and move like players from the 80s. To say the game will evolve beyond violence and the necessity to police violence from within is like saying eventually the pole will vault the person as high as they want regardless if they look like Sergei Bubka or Luciano Pavarotti.

Nothing wrong with a good laugh. But Pavarotti sized pole-vaulters succeeding isn't pole-vaulting, it's Jackass. And the NHL without violence is amateur women's hockey. And unpopular as it is for some that Sergei Bubka and Luciano Pavarotti are not of similar stature or accomplishment in pole-vaulting, it's simply true.

Similarly, you're right. Jen's entitled to her opinion and her confidence and her seat at the table. Likewise, there's nothing wrong with a good laugh.

Not at all.

Violence is fun and good.

But the idea that demonstrating too much skill earns you a beating is insanely dumb.

 

[justloveleafs]

To all those who dump on Simmonds and his game. Stop, just stop. That man is a professional hockey player and deserves your respect. He isn't the player he was, but my goodness that man deserves respect. Standing up for a team mate, drops his opponent and skates away...that's the definition of professionalism. The NHL needs more players who respect their opponent the way Simmonds does.

Dude, me gots no love button, but that is a great post. Everyone on the board should give your post a like imo. And man, I haven't had a love button in so long, almost forgot what it was like. Am I permanently unloved?

 

[keonsbitterness]

I like the occasional fight but the writing is on the wall. Thanks to rule changes, rising insurance costs, concussion awareness, and the threat of lawsuits, most of the fighting from before the 04-05 lockout has been taken out of the game. I think it's inevitable fighting will result in an automatic game suspension (or more) within a generation or two.

Enjoy it while you can.

 

[Bomber0104]

Her position's kind of canard that's allowed to stand - I guess - for discussion's sake. It's trotted too many times for my liking. More skill equals more entertainment. Fair enough. No one wants to see a hockey player who cant play hockey. True. Why make room for players who are strictly goons when actual talent languishes needlessly in the leagues below and abroad. Agreed.

But that's not her or other's actual premise. Their premise is that you can remove violence from hockey to make it a better game. And that's simply not true; You can't remove it's velocity and power. And because you can't you can't discount the necessary circularity of accidental impact and the emotions that rightly infer that sometimes the accident is no accident.

The pointless cross-check, the incidental slew-foot, the wayward stick check, and on and on, aren't going anywhere. Neither are 6'7 centers and 6'8 defensemen who can skate and move like players from the 80s. To say the game will evolve beyond violence and the necessity to police violence from within is like saying eventually the pole will vault the person as high as they want regardless if they look like Sergei Bubka or Luciano Pavarotti.

Nothing wrong with a good laugh. But Pavarotti sized pole-vaulters succeeding isn't pole-vaulting, it's Jackass. And the NHL without violence is amateur women's hockey. And unpopular as it is for some that Sergei Bubka and Luciano Pavarotti are not of similar stature or accomplishment in pole-vaulting, it's simply true.

Similarly, you're right. Jen's entitled to her opinion and her confidence and her seat at the table. Likewise, there's nothing wrong with a good laugh.

Jennifer's opinion about hockey is like a Rolling Stone writer's opinion on music.

They just write and report about music.

Don't know music, how to write it, play it, read it, anything...

They just think they know it as if their opinion means something.

 

[TheGreatOne11]

Need a statement game against the Lightning.

Not a need at all, just play this game come post-season. We have a run on our hands. Gio pick up is clutch for this run once Campbell settles in.

 

[Holls Blackmail]

Except it's not. It does not require the eyes of an NHL player to judge and comment on events of an NHL hockey game or what is in the best interest of the sport.

Oh? But you think someone who’s never played men’s competitive hockey has all the answers?

 

[nsleaf]

Fighting in hockey is stupid, always has been.

 

[barilko05]

Jennifer's opinion about hockey is like a Rolling Stone writer's opinion on music.

They just write and report about music.

Don't know music, how to write it, play it, read it, anything...

They just think they know it as if their opinion means something.

Kind of like...opinions offered on hockey boards by cavemen who think women should stick to ringette.
BTW
Jon Landau, former Rolling Stone writer turned producer/manager for Bruce Springsteen, says hello.

 

[Bomber0104]

Kind of like...opinions offered on hockey boards by cavemen who think women should stick to ringette.
BTW
Jon Landau, former Rolling Stone writer turned producer/manager for Bruce Springsteen, says hello.

Imagine actually defending Rolling Stone.

You must just be getting into the Killers by now or the Chainsmokers.

 

[Bomber0104]

Fighting in hockey is stupid, always has been.

Yeah, until you've played the game for yourself.

Talk is cheap from the keyboard.