Post-Game Talk: Leafs win 6-3

[Nylanderthal]

People are now bragging about their amateur sports accomplishments. Now that's cringe.

We've entered full on AL Bundy territory.

I am pretty sure that poster threw four touchdowns to themselves seeing as they were multi positional superstars. I didn’t mean to bring up my experiences as any sort of brag worthy topic, just tired of the cretins in here who feel the need to gate keep the game with nonsense like “unless you played yadda yadda” as a means to defend gratuitous violence that has nothing to do with the actual game being played

 

[zeke]

It’s pretty sure that poster threw four touchdowns to themselves seeing as they were multi positional superstars. I didn’t mean to bring up my experiences as any sort of brag worthy topic, just tired of the cretins in here who feel the need to gate keep the game with nonsense like “unless you played yadda yadda” as a means to defend gratuitous violence that has nothing to do with the actual game being played

Toronto fans thinking their mthl hockey experience gives them special insight into the NHL game is the biggest curse we have.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Even then, notice how we never get to hear from the actual skill players - the broadcasts are full of ex-goons and ex-backup goalies.

This is valid, in the nfl you get former QB and skill players a lot of the time in analyst roles. Same with the nba. I mean Kenny smith eve though as a helluva player on his own merit is the 6th best former player on a three guy panel with Chuck & shaq.

 

[ACC1224]

As I stated before, all the information relevant to having an opinion here is plainly visible. Bieksa’s experience doesn’t hold any value to this particular debate

And again, I ask what happens when inevitably other NHLers agree with Boterill? Because plenty will.

What did Bieksa say that you disagree with?

And the entire sequence has been spun into "beating up players for too much skill" bullsh!t...you wonder what kind of intent for someone to spin it like that...it's certainly to credence to their own opinion about the league.

Yeah I found that take a little weird.
You chop the goalie when the games over you should expect to take a shot.

 

[zeke]

And the entire sequence has been spun into "beating up players for too much skill" bullsh!t...you wonder what kind of intent for someone to spin it like that...it's certainly to add credence to their own opinion about the league.

I don't watch the talking heads so I don't know what theybwere saying.

But if they were discussing the Terry incident, then yes it was all about beating up players who had the gall to show too much skill - and we have the commentary on tape to prove it.

 

[ACC1224]

Agreed with all of this.

Beagle should have let up but Terry needs to realize that if you're going to run into a scrum to defend someone you need to know that you should probably be ready to fight.

Not sure I agree with the ‘ready to fight’ if the players are in different classes. If that was Marner instead of Terry I wouldn’t expect him to fight.
Not sure who was on the ice but ideally someone better suited grabs Beagle.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Agree 100%. That incident was absolutely disgusting. I think hockey could do without fighting, just like the UFC is doing fine without hockey. And if there is to be fighting in hockey then two willing participants going at it is one thing, watching some thug beating up on a guy much smaller than him who clearly doesn't want to fight is another.

I even agree here, I don’t necessarily think fighting 100% needs to be removed, but maybe if two willing combatants go at it (simmer & macewen last night) they’re removed from the game vs a 5 min break. The incident we are talking about was just a beat down plain and simple and should come with disciplinary actions imo

 

[Nylanderthal]

Will they? Because they've been polled and 90+% think fighting is necessary.

What makes fighting necessary in hockey vs any other sport?

 

[Martin Skoula]

What makes fighting necessary in hockey vs any other sport?

I don't know I'm just a fan, I'm gonna defer to the preferences of the people actually playing the sport.

 

[Bluelines]

That's not really a thing to gauge whether something in the game should change. If you would go through the decades and ask players about some sort of change, most usually resist.

Gotchaya, experience means nothing and change is inevitable.

 

[Bluelines]

What makes fighting necessary in hockey vs any other sport?

Are you seriously asking why is there no fighting in golf, swimming or gymnastics?

 

[Nylanderthal]

Gotchaya, experience means nothing and change is inevitable.

Well you got both of those right, for once. Experience means squat without intelligence and foresight. And, yes change is always inevitable.
If you asked guys 50 years ago they’d say they don’t need helmets and if you asked 20 years ago they’d say visors aren’t needed either.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Are you seriously asking why is there no fighting in golf, swimming or gymnastics?

Of course not, now you’re just being purposely obtuse. What about rugby union, football or Aussie rules football?
I’m still wondering what the athletes having knives on their feet has to do with this conversation as well.

 

[Bluelines]

Even then, notice how we never get to hear from the actual skill players - the broadcasts are full of ex-goons and ex-backup goalies.

That ex goon Wayne says Hi...

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[Gary Nylund]

Agreed with all of this.

Beagle should have let up but Terry needs to realize that if you're going to run into a scrum to defend someone you need to know that you should probably be ready to fight.

So I guess Marner should avoid scrums because there's always the chance that some Wilson type on the other team might start pounding on him. All part of the game, right?

 

[zeke]

That ex goon Wayne says Hi...

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Wayne Gretzky was asked about fighting in the game and whether it still had a place. While no.99 clearly avoided saying he thought fighting needed to get the boot, he did pass it off as something that likely won't be around much longer.

"It's not in there very much anymore," said Gretzky, when asked about fighting in the NHL. "It's kind of out of hockey now, so. It's going to be happen every now and then."

The NHL's all-time goals, assists and points leader was then asked if he could foresee a time when chucking the nucks was banned completely at the NHL level.

"You never know, but there's less and less fights every year, you know. Kids grow up now and nobody fights. The old days they used to fight at 15, 18 , 20, now they all grow up and nobody fights. So, you've cleaned it out of minor hockey, junior hockey, college hockey, it's not really part of our game anymore."

 

[Martin Skoula]

Wayne Gretzky was asked about fighting in the game and whether it still had a place. While no.99 clearly avoided saying he thought fighting needed to get the boot, he did pass it off as something that likely won't be around much longer.


The NHL's all-time goals, assists and points leader was then asked if he could foresee a time when chucking the nucks was banned completely at the NHL level.

I don't think anyone's going to disagree that it is on the way down and that there has been a concentrated effort to grandfather it out by eliminating it at the junior level.

That doesn't answer the question of whether it SHOULD be eliminated or not, it's just an objective observation of what has been happening.

 

[zeke]

I don't think anyone's going to disagree that it is on the way down and that there has been a concentrated effort to grandfather it out by eliminating it at the junior level.

That doesn't answer the question of whether it SHOULD be eliminated or not, it's just an objective observation of what has been happening.

I think despite his political statement there he makes his views on that fairly clear here.

 

[ThrowDemTongs]

Are you seriously asking why is there no fighting in golf, swimming or gymnastics?

 

[Sypher04]

Fighting exists in the game because the fans want it and it makes money. The moment it becomes more costly to the league than it’s value (which may well be coming with all the concussion law suit stuff) it can be and would be removed.

I personally don’t have issue with fighting when there are two consenting combatants, but there is precisely no reason why fighting requires existing in the NHL when other violent sports get by perfectly fine without it.

As I said earlier, the onus would just be put on the League to deliver meaningful punishments when situations arise

The players have proven, they will always adjust to the new standard

 

[Enga Olly]

Even then, notice how we never get to hear from the actual skill players - the broadcasts are full of ex-goons and ex-backup goalies.

good point - at best we get the hybrid players like Messier - virtually the last guy I want to hear from regarding players safety

 

[Bluelines]

Well you got both of those right, for once. Experience means squat without intelligence and foresight. And, yes change is always inevitable.
If you asked guys 50 years ago they’d say they don’t need helmets and if you asked 20 years ago they’d say visors aren’t needed either.

WTF are you talking about by definition experience is is just that experience, you don't need foresight or intelligence to have experience. 50 years ago they didn't need helmets because you played with respect,

People like you think change is always 100% of the time good, it's not. Off the top of my head I can think of two fairly recent changes the NHL did that they no longer enforce because change was bad. The more you take respect and personal accountability away from a sport, the more you need change, to fix what you broke when you made the change in the first place.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I think despite his political statement there he makes his views on that fairly clear here.

Don Cherry could say what Gretzky said word for word and it would be on brand for him. The observation that fighting is being pushed out of the league is pretty obvious, whether that's a good thing or not is what's contentious.

The enforcer role was a blemish on the league because it trapped AHLers in a situation where they have to decide between concussions or starting a new life with no skills or education. I don't think suspending Iginla and Lecavalier automatically is a benefit to the league now that enforcers aren't really around anymore.

 

[Voodoo Child]

I don’t really have a problem with most of Jennifer’s takes - she’s better than Cassie but like that’s an achievement - but I can definitely do without her overdramatic Karening and ‘I’m a white, liberal woman and I am upset at this issue, which somebody else needs to fix!’

Again, this is the young lady who does sideline reporting and intermission shows for the Canes. She’s fun and having fun, she knows how to talk to players, they seem quite fond of her (I wonder why) and she’s not walking around looking problems that aren’t really there (Beagle did overstep but Zegras, who was showboating in a meaningless game, came off as a massive p***y in that interview - if Mitch or Auston ever did something half as bitchmade as that interview we’d be hearing about it for years).

 

[Bluelines]

Wayne Gretzky was asked about fighting in the game and whether it still had a place. While no.99 clearly avoided saying he thought fighting needed to get the boot, he did pass it off as something that likely won't be around much longer.


The NHL's all-time goals, assists and points leader was then asked if he could foresee a time when chucking the nucks was banned completely at the NHL level.

Oh so when you say the panels are full of ex goons and we never hear from skilled players on fighting, the link I gave you showed what you said was BS? Wrong on both fronts ah Zekey?