Post-Game Talk: Leafs win 6-3

[ShaneFalco]

88 and Engvall seem to have some chemistry

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

She had her opinion and was certainly passionate about it and entitled to it. I agree with her to a degree but not in this instance.

Bieksa had it spot on. He said pretty much what I thought when I had first seen it. It had nothing to do with a skill play but digging the goalie in a 5-0 game. He deserved a cross check there and that should have been the end of it. I wish the Leafs defense brought more of that when the goalie gets chopped.

Beagle should have let up once he saw who he was engaged with. Looked like he lost control for a minute, I’m sure he regrets it.

Simmonds played the enforcer role perfectly tonight, IMO.

Agreed with all of this.

Beagle should have let up but Terry needs to realize that if you're going to run into a scrum to defend someone you need to know that you should probably be ready to fight.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Fighting sucks in hockey, boooooring. Like powerbreak to refill your tv snacks. A good hit is a hundred times better. And dont slow the game down.

Agree with this, gimme all the in-play physicality and intensity, drop the side show after whistle garbage.
If I wanna watch two guys lock up ufc has a fight night every Saturday

 

[Nylanderthal]

Hockey is also the only professional sport where you wear knives on your feet and are allowed to hit your opponent into the boards. Your response was contrived, pompous dogmatism and wanting.

FIGHTING IS PART OF THE GAME. If you want figure skating, why are you watching hockey?

Knives on your feet? So you’re suggesting the next logical step is the players use their feet as weapons if they’re denied the right to pound each other’s faces in with impunity?
There are other sports where you can justifiably smoke someone as hard through the field of play as in any hockey hit. Just a heads up, you don’t look tough or more manly trying to infer I should watch figure skating, you just look like an asshole.
Not one single person has ever insisted taking out the physicality and competitiveness of the sport, just the sideshow goonery.

 

[ToneDog]

Agree with this, gimme all the in-play physicality and intensity, drop the side show after whistle garbage.
If I wanna watch two guys lock up ufc has a fight night every Saturday

Nobody wants to see Terry beaten up by Beagle. Physicality and intensity is what is exciting. Should be a great game tomorrow night.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Not sure squatting into a three point stance 75 times, moving a total of 6 inches each squat, in 3 hours is considered "playing" a sport but you do you. I played end, safety, RB, QB and Wide out... do I win something?

You played every skill position at a competeuve level? Lol I’m sure. We’re not talking about thanksgiving touch football with the family here.
No you don’t deserve or win anything as it’s pointless, just like me playing high level football twenty years ago and just like anyone here gatekeeping the game with bullshit comments like “if you didn’t play you don’t understand” or “a woman should stick to opinions on the womens game” it just comes across as really lacking overall and is a great example why this sport lags behind the rest in popularity

 

[RealisticLeaf55]

They won't be there to listen.

You would yelling at clouds.

Then I'll change my name to Abe Simpson and yell louder.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Nobody wants to see Terry beaten up by Beagle. Physicality and intensity is what is exciting. Should be a great game tomorrow night.

Some around here would suggest otherwise. It’s the code.

 

[Bluelines]

You played every skill position at a competeuve level? Lol I’m sure. We’re not talking about thanksgiving touch football with the family here.
No you don’t deserve or win anything as it’s pointless, just like me playing high level football twenty years ago and just like anyone here gatekeeping the game with bullshit comments like “if you didn’t play you don’t understand” or “a woman should stick to opinions on the womens game” it just comes across with as really lacking overall and is a great example why this sport lags behind the rest in popularity

Is University competitive level? If so, yeah for me...

Quote one person that said a woman should stick to opinions on the womans game... your hyperbolic nature does not help you.

 

[therealkoho]

Missed most of the game - how was Jack?

this is what I said during the game

He's seeing the puck well

Rebound control is good

Not overplaying

I stick by that

 

[Bluelines]

Knives on your feet? So you’re suggesting the next logical step is the players use their feet as weapons if they’re denied the right to pound each other’s faces in with impunity?
There are other sports where you can justifiably smoke someone as hard through the field of play as in any hockey hit. Just a heads up, you don’t look tough or more manly trying to infer I should watch figure skating, you just look like an asshole.
Not one single person has ever insisted taking out the physicality and competitiveness of the sport, just the sideshow goonery.

WOW .... just WOW.... LOL ... sure any logical person would come to that conclusion that this is what I was inferring ... WOW ... I've never been left speechless by another poster before.... just WOW..

 

[Nylanderthal]

Is University competitive level? If so, yeah for me...

Quote one person that said a woman should stick to opinions on the womans game... your hyperbolic nature does not help you.

Go through the Gdt your knuckle dragging buddies we’re all losing their collective minds when botterill made the comments she did.
You played QB at the university level while also playing multiple positions? I GUESS.

 

[Nylanderthal]

WOW .... just WOW.... LOL ... sure any logical person would come to that conclusion that this is what I was inferring ... WOW ... I've never been left speechless by another poster before.... just WOW..

The person I’m quoting said that hockey is also only the only sport with knives on the athletes feet, so I’m curious what exactly that means? What’s the point of that tidbit? Unless they’re suggesting somehow they would become a factor in a different manner than they already are by removing the sideshow antics?

 

[Bluelines]

Okay, and what happens then when another NHLer inevitably agrees with Boterill, which would happen. Bieksa is no authority on what is best for hockey.

And there is nothing remotely manipulative about what I said. Several people on this board have made their viewpoint regarding Boterill and virtually all women we see on the broadcast very clear. Which is why I said SOME

The idea that Bieksa’s opinions automatically hold more water in all NHL matters because he played and someone else didn’t is asinine

So find a former NHLer that agrees with Boterill, I bet for everyone you find I can find 50 that agree with Bieska. This would suggest that Botterill's comments are outliers , while Bieska's are generally the prevailing POV for current and former hockey players.

If you played the sport and happen to get gooned or cheap shotted ,do you feel more affinity after you've been laid out, for a teammate that grabs ahold of the person who laid you out or for a team mate that walks away and leaves you there on the ice by yourself? There is a natural and necessary place for fighting in hockey.

Quote a few posters on this forum that suggested that women don't have the right to state their opinion. I find it VERY hard to believe that posters are willing to share that POV in 2022.

 

[Bluelines]

Go through the Gdt your knuckle dragging buddies we’re all losing their collective minds when botterill made the comments she did.
You played QB at the university level while also playing multiple positions? I GUESS.

Yep played as a 3rd stringer after the starter and the backup got hurt. It's called being athletic, it's the concept of doing something with a high level of skill. A linesmen wouldn't understand what that is though, those guys are only interested in the three F's of university.

 

[Bluelines]

The person I’m quoting said that hockey is also only the only sport with knives on the athletes feet, so I’m curious what exactly that means? What’s the point of that tidbit? Unless they’re suggesting somehow they would become a factor in a different manner than they already are by removing the sideshow antics?

The answer you seek is in the original post I responded to...

 

[Voodoo Child]

JvR:

0G-0A-0P-0PIM-0Shots-0Hits-0Blks-0Giveaways-0Takeaways- minus 3-14:55TOI-1:52PP.

Remember the ‘JvR is a passenger’ narrative? It’s true now.

 

[crump]

Nylander took some pucks, bumps and fist bumps these last few games. Maintenance?

 

[zeke]

People are now bragging about their amateur sports accomplishments. Now that's cringe.

We've entered full on AL Bundy territory.

 

[zeke]

Nylander took some pucks, bumps and fist bumps these last few games. Maintenance?

Huge test of our goon line against a real team and directly against a line full of actual good players on Maroon-Bellemare-Perry.

 

[Enga Olly]

So find a former NHLer that agrees with Boterill, I bet for everyone you find I can find 50 that agree with Bieska. This would suggest that Botterill's comments are outliers , while Bieska's are generally the prevailing POV for current and former hockey players.

That's not really a thing to gauge whether something in the game should change. If you would go through the decades and ask players about some sort of change, most usually resist.

 

[ACC1224]

Adding to it that we came out of the TDL without trading:

Knies, 1st, Topi, Robertson, Hirvonen Liljegren, Sandin, and Holmberg? That's a sweep of the Yankees, Red Sox, and Rays......

That would be perfect. It wasn’t perfect.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Agree with this, gimme all the in-play physicality and intensity, drop the side show after whistle garbage.
If I wanna watch two guys lock up ufc has a fight night every Saturday

Agree 100%. That incident was absolutely disgusting. I think hockey could do without fighting, just like the UFC is doing fine without hockey. And if there is to be fighting in hockey then two willing participants going at it is one thing, watching some thug beating up on a guy much smaller than him who clearly doesn't want to fight is another.

 

[zeke]

That's not really a thing to gauge whether something in the game should change. If you would go through the decades and ask players about some sort of change, most usually resist.

Even then, notice how we never get to hear from the actual skill players - the broadcasts are full of ex-goons and ex-backup goalies.

 

[Martin Skoula]

As I stated before, all the information relevant to having an opinion here is plainly visible. Bieksa’s experience doesn’t hold any value to this particular debate

And again, I ask what happens when inevitably other NHLers agree with Boterill? Because plenty will.

Will they? Because they've been polled and 90+% think fighting is necessary.