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Pre-Game Talk: Leafs vs Lightning. Game 5

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Sypher04 said:
I stil feel like I can l think of several 5 on 5 moments. I mean, I don't think it'd be a ton more than the 5, but I'm just saying 5 seems too low from what I've seen, but same maybe could be said for Tampa's line. Either way, even if I'm right, they need to be a lot better...
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Those stats is strictly Point vs Matthews, which has mostly been the last 2 games. When Matthews got away from Points line, usually on an icing or during a PP, that's when Matthews line got a lot better.

Either way, the bottom line is that an MVP like that should be not getting dominated in 5 on 5.
 
SprDaVE said:
We can talk about the defensive pairings to no end... but to me, this is the biggest problem. Matthews and Marner need to be better. Really unacceptable that it's that lop sided.

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When TB is at home and has last change they have the ability to limit the Matthews via line matching they have shown, which would make game #6 difficult to win, putting even more weight on making today a must win.
 
lebdafor norris said:
You saw that exactly once during the past 2 games despite Holl playing PK, we saw this 4 times with Boosh on ice so far in the series despite Boosh recieiving very little PK time and contributing nothing during the transition.
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Fair enough, Boosh has been pretty bad too. But I would say Holl has been pretty damn lucky his multiple brain farts, lack of positioning, awareness and ability to read the play haven't led to more GA.
 
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Tuttle said:


Keefe doesn't learn but at least he (temporarily) switched things up on L2
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We need to sacrifice something to the hockey gods, anything for some good fortune today. The good news is we get last change and can decide when Holl plays...I mentioned it on the mains as well, but I believe Holl is in the lineup because of Lyubushkins inability to PK and actually has very little to do with Lily. Obviously Lily is the far better overall player, but in a series with this many penalties we need to be able to PK or get buried like we did in game 2. Going with Lyub-Brodie-Lily, gives us just 1 RD who can PK. I firmly believe Holl is playing strictly because of his ability to PK.

All we can really do as fans is just cheer on and hope for the best. I hope you know what you're doing Keefe. But considering we control the match ups I expect a far better game from Holl, Cooper was abusing him last game that won't be the case now.
 
SprDaVE said:
Those stats is strictly Point vs Matthews, which has mostly been the last 2 games. When Matthews got away from Points line, usually on an icing or during a PP, that's when Matthews line got a lot better.

Either way, the bottom line is that an MVP like that should be not getting dominated in 5 on 5.
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For what it's worth, while we indisputably need more from Matthews and Marner on the road, I think the more concerning development than Matthews/Marner not being able to fight through Tampa's best 5 defensive players stapled to them just about every shift, is that the 2nd rung of guys are not finding production the matchups left after Matthews and Marner take on all those guys. Namely Tavares and Nylander.
 
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If he doesn’t switch Holl out , I truly would be baffled , I mean it .
This stubbornness and loyalty in the do or die playoffs , is mind numbing.
Professional Successful playoff coaches , coach for the moment and try to win with any and all methods each and every turn , there is no tomorrow after losing 4
I’m stunned
 
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Sypher04 said:
For what it's worth, while we indisputably need more from Matthews and Marner on the road, I think the more concerning development than Matthews/Marner not being able to fight through Tampa's best 5 defensive players stapled to them just about every shift, is that the 2nd rung of guys are not finding production the matchups left after Matthews and Marner take on all those guys. Namely Tavares and Nylander.
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100% agree. I just think it's about time the franchise players take over a game/series. I'm tired of matchups being the excuse of how they can't generate or play through it. Everyone should be better, but the 11M+ players need to elevate even more.
 
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SprDaVE said:
100% agree. I just think it's about time the franchise players take over a game/series. I'm tired of matchups being the excuse of how they can't generate or play through it. That ain't good enough.
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Fully agree. They showed they can produce through games 1 & 2, but the swing the opposite direction can't be so extreme when the series goes to the opposition's rink. If you aren't going to win the matchup and least find a way to fight it to a draw and let the depth come through behind you.
 
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Leaffan1991 said:
Holl stays in 😂 Keefe is clueless.
Also thought one of Simmonds or Clifford would be back in after Tampa bullied us
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To be fair we won without Clifford. All he did was take a 5 min major and get suspended, so I don't wanna pretend he is some difference maker. Simmonds as well, pretty much threw the last game he played. yeah he's physical, but when you're sitting in the box for half your shifts what the hell is even the point ?
 
AuraSphere said:
I honestly don't get the hate for Holl. Yes he's not a top 4 dman - but hes a pretty good bottom pairing dman.

I think Holl has been better than Lybushkin. If anything - people should be upset with Lybushkin still staying through
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Boosh brings tools to the playoffs we desperately need , Holl doesn’t play bottom 6 min and situations and he brings no other tools other than length and minutes.
 
TorMapleJays said:
Holl is in out of spite. Keefe is coddling him like he did to Campbell after he let in 3 of. 6 shots.

Is it too late to hire Trotz?
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You would have thought how well the Leafs played in game #1 that re-inserting Liljegren would be obvious and having home ice and last change and matching possibility.

However since the media called out Keefe for playing Holl his worst Dman after the last game, you just know that defiantly he will go against the grain, not letting anyone tell him how to do his job.

If Holl is played and it costs the Leafs this game, then the name Barry Trotz should start circulating as his replacement, should the Leafs lose in round #1. IMO
 
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