GDT: Leafs vs Habs

[Sypher04]

Auston needs to remind the scabs that they're his b*tch tonight

Seems like as good a night as any for his second career 4 goal game

 

[Sypher04]

Yep, I think most Leaf fans know what the main reason will be for our 1st round exit this year, and I don't think it will be lack of scoring this time and I pray its not because we got out coached again eventually you have to be able to grow as a coach).

The system we play simply does not allow us to be structurally sound in our own end, with out that structure goalies like Mrzaek are easy pickings. He over plays the shooter, assuming there will never be a cross ice or cross crease pass. We don't have the type of players from top to bottom that understands how to play without the puck.

This is a really bad take

 

[Metroid]

I'm hoping for leafs win tonight and leafs win tomorrow, but due to fantasy, I hope bob plays tonight.and wins and knight gets smoked tomorrow.. it's playoffs for me and I need a bob win, but just not against the leafs Sunday lol

 

[Budz22]

Habs during rest of season

Habs playing Leafs

 

[ULF_55]

Want a win, couldn't care if they have 35 or 0 hits, just win.

 

[9Iron]

Boston and Florida just outwilled wins over the Habs this week. This is a statement game like it or not.

 

[TorMapleJays]

Yes it’s important to finish as high in the standings as possible

Less true now with the revert back to the old win your division system. The WC will be the path of least resistance.

 

[riffle]

Why do you feel the need to always put a pessimistic spin on everything?

I don't see it that way at all but understand why you would. I like the full story, all angles, etc.

Often, when it comes to fandom, it is the exact opposite. Positive spin is always in.

In this case, part of this story is who is being moved off PP2, while most of the focus is about who is on.

There is no balance to the actual full story without mentioning Mikheyev missing and the effect it may have on him.

This is why I posted what I posted. It is a major part of this story that will be largely ignored. That creates imbalance.

And, it is an odd move considering I don't recall this ever happening in the Keefe-era. Why are they doing it? The explanation is strange. It has always been that way in the Keefe-era so why do they all of a sudden care about D pairs post-PP2? Should always ask why.

 

[Stolie the Goalie]

Watch out for Anderson to score a goal or two. He's cold with no goals in 11 games. Last time Leafs played he had 2 goals.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Again I say, if you think the Leafs are piss poor defensively, you need to watch other teams, and other contenders. They all look lost at times, they all have blunders defensively, even guys like Hedman get made a fool routinely but overall he is so good it doesn't matter. Only in Toronto does every mistake get magnified and talked about so much you never hear about other teams.

 

[Dekes For Days]

And, it is an odd move considering I don't recall this ever happening in the Keefe-era. Why are they doing it? The explanation is strange. It has always been that way in the Keefe-era so why do they all of a sudden care about D pairs post-PP2? Should always ask why.

It's not "odd" or "strange". They're trying out a different combination. The 1st unit should be getting the majority of the time anyway, Mikheyev only has 3 PP points on the season, and this allows them to both have a normal defense pairing out post-PP, and allows them to have their entire shutdown 3rd line fresh to come out post-PP, when the opposition often sends out their stars. With no real impact on their overall PP proficiency.

Not everything is the conspiracy you seem to think it is.

 

[riffle]

It's not "odd" or "strange". They're trying out a different combination. The 1st unit should be getting the majority of the time anyway, Mikheyev only has 3 PP points on the season, and this allows them to both have a normal defense pairing out post-PP, and allows them to have their entire shutdown 3rd line fresh to come out post-PP, when the opposition often sends out their stars. With no real impact on their overall PP proficiency.

Not everything is the conspiracy you seem to think it is.

Never called it a conspiracy. It is not something I recall seeing in the Keefe era. Do you? I understand why Keefe said they're doing it. It is fair to question why in the years he's been here he's never done it that way before. If you accept everything at face value that's fine. I do not. Stories have all kinds of aspects. Many very neglected while one gets all the focus. I explained why I posted what I posted. You didn't accept that at face value but do with other things? Why? You're free to do it that way. I'd just like to ask the question.

 

[Bluelines]

Really we don’t?

Every line but our 4th line wins their matchup, meaning they are playing strong two-way hockey.

At full health our D has only 1 player who is suspect defensively, and funny enough that’s our #1D who is still above average.

In fact, we are structurally sound defensively AND have the proper players for it. Our only reason for defensive uncertainty is solely on goaltending.

Just out of curiosity though, where do you think our holes are defensively?

It's not that binary, if 3 out of 4 lines win their match ups, opponents would not be scoring as often as they have. JT/WN line has been atrocious for GA since Dec 1.

Watch the goals against since Dec 1 , they are mostly cross ice / cross crease, tips, lost puck battles and needles odd man disadvantages because we are mismanaging the puck.. We give up the point every time the puck is in our own end. This does not sound like the team you are describing. Most are blaming the goalies for the teams poor defensive play, it's not just the goalies, the coaches and the players are not fixing what is broken. Every month but one we have a sv% below .900 that is not a solid defensive team.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Ez W

 

[Bluelines]

This is a really bad take

If that is your POV , you simply don't understand hockey.

 

[Dekes For Days]

It is fair to question why in the years he's been here he's never done it that way before.

You're not trying to understand why he didn't do it previously. You're spreading baseless speculation and trying to twist the fact that he's trying it now into a negative.

We have all 4 of the big 4 on the 1st unit now, and they're getting more of the PP time. We have Giordano now, and he has a history of playing on the PP. His current ES partner is somebody who has shown PP proficiency in lower leagues, and we get the double benefit of giving him a shot on the PP and getting a normal defense pairing post-PP. Most of the previous 2nd unit defensemen were paired with somebody who doesn't play PP. The 2nd unit has also not been producing much recently. We also have a shutdown 3rd line now, that would all be fully fresh and ready to go as long as Mikheyev isn't on the 2nd PP.

There were reasons to not do it before, and there are reasons to try it now. I'm not sure why you're attempting to stir up controversy because Keefe is trying sensible things with a playoff spot essentially locked up.

 

[OVO16]

Josh Anderson wakes up for Leafs games only.

 

[riffle]

You're not trying to understand why he didn't do it previously. You're spreading baseless speculation and trying to twist the fact that he's trying it now into a negative.

We have all 4 of the big 4 on the 1st unit now, and they're getting more of the PP time. We have Giordano now, and he has a history of playing on the PP. His current ES partner is somebody who has shown PP proficiency in lower leagues, and we get the double benefit of giving him a shot on the PP and getting a normal defense pairing post-PP. Most of the previous 2nd unit defensemen were paired with somebody who doesn't play PP. The 2nd unit has also not been producing much recently. We also have a shutdown 3rd line now, that would all be fully fresh and ready to go as long as Mikheyev isn't on the 2nd PP.

There were reasons to not do it before, and there are reasons to try it now. I'm not sure why you're attempting to stir up controversy because Keefe is trying sensible things with a playoff spot essentially locked up.

That is an opinion but comes off as a statement of fact. That is my perception. Why are you angry? Who cares? You have your opinion and I have mine. Not personal against you.

Not an attempt to stir up controversy. It is considering something that the majority are not posting about and that should not anger you unless you are a huge fan of conformity. Again, that is your right. I post how I think, as do you.

EDIT: I should ask, how you think this affects Mikheyev? He's a robot and this change will have zero effect on him? It will and it is fair to discuss. The man wanted out as we saw in All or Nothing. Do you think that makes him want to stay or leave when things like this happen?

 

[Martin Skoula]

That is an opinion but comes off as a statement of fact. That is my perception. Why are you angry? Who cares? You have your opinion and I have mine. Not personal against you.

Not an attempt to stir up controversy. It is considering something that the majority are not posting about and that should not anger you unless you are a huge fan of conformity. Again, that is your right. I post how I think, as do you.

Thank god there's such a dedicated hunter of the truth among us to enlighten us sheeple.

 

[zeke]

I don't see it that way at all but understand why you would. I like the full story, all angles, etc.

Often, when it comes to fandom, it is the exact opposite. Positive spin is always in.

In this case, part of this story is who is being moved off PP2, while most of the focus is about who is on.

There is no balance to the actual full story without mentioning Mikheyev missing and the effect it may have on him.

This is why I posted what I posted. It is a major part of this story that will be largely ignored. That creates imbalance.

And, it is an odd move considering I don't recall this ever happening in the Keefe-era. Why are they doing it? The explanation is strange. It has always been that way in the Keefe-era so why do they all of a sudden care about D pairs post-PP2? Should always ask why.

So you want the coach to publicly insult Mikheyev for some reason?

 

[riffle]

So you want the coach to publicly insult Mikheyev for some reason?

No, I'm acknowledging the human toll of the change. Others are not and sweeping it under the rug like it is no part of this story whatsoever. It is a part of the story.

 

[zeke]

No, I'm acknowledging the human toll of the change. Others are not and sweeping it under the rug like it is no part of this story whatsoever. It is a part of the story.

Players get put on and taken off the PP all the time.

 

[Dekes For Days]

That is an opinion but comes off as a statement of fact.

It is a statement of fact. We can all see what you're doing, and it's not the first time you've done it since you created this account a week ago.

It is considering something that the majority are not posting about

There's a reason people aren't posting about it. Because your narratives are wrong, unsupported, and either miss or ignore pretty obvious reasons. Not because you're the one remaining bastion of truth to expose the hidden meaning and conspiracies behind every mundane and completely normal action or decision.

 

[riffle]

Players get put on and taken off the PP all the time.

Yes, they do. It affects every single one of them...and it is worthy of discussion when the one it affects this time wanted out due to lack of opportunity. Now, he's been removed from PP2. How do you think that might affect him when it's the off-season? He's going to re-up with the Leafs, or leave?

We all get warm and fuzzies when the Leafs do these little gestures and extrapolate them into why other guys want to play here, but when a guy who already has expressed a desire to leave over lack of opportunity gets his opportunity reduced it is all of a sudden irrelevant to anything? Imbalanced, to me.

 

[zeke]

Yes, they do. It affects every single one of them...and it is worthy of discussion when the one it affects this time wanted out due to lack of opportunity. Now, he's been removed from PP2. How do you think that might affect him when it's the off-season? He's going to re-up with the Leafs, or leave?

We all get warm and fuzzies when the Leafs do these little gestures and extrapolate them into why other guys want to play here, but when a guy who already has expressed a desire to leave over lack of opportunity gets his opportunity reduced it is all of a sudden irrelevant to anything? Imbalanced, to me.

You are the first person in the history of hockey to lament the "human toll" of one change in a team's 2nd PP unit.

Congrats.