GDT: Leafs Vs Canes

[zeke]

All this talk about goals against average and nobody wants to explain why Jack has a better GAA this year than Fred ever had as a Leaf.

 

[Sypher04]

Freddy chose to leave. His comments today only make that clearer to me. I don’t even necessarily mean complaining or anything. Just hit play wasn’t where he wanted, I’m sure he was fed up with the media here, and now based on these comments seems like his feelings were a bit of what bogosian felt possibly. I don’t think there is necessarily ill will between the two sides, but seems like his moving on was probably mutual.

 

[Zybalto]

No they didn't. Francis made that trade. Waddell brought in Andersen.

"They" being totally different gms. That's like saying Lou signed Bunting

The Canes at the time did though.

Thats what I'm saying......and looking at Andersen's degradation (partly caused by injuries) that started under Babcock, it was a pretty brave move to sign him for that contract.

 

[budzz]

I still believe Freddy is mentally weak. He breaks down at the most key moments.
Cujo went into hyper-mode in key moments. When he focused he went super-saiyan!

Yeah Cujo had that edge. As many have said, goalies are voodoo, you never really know what you're getting outside of the top handful in the game, and even they are capable of stinkers.

Having said that I'd be alot more comfortable heading into the playoffs with prime Cujo ;-)

 

[Shooter2x]

Freddy chose to leave. His comments today only make that clearer to me. I don’t even necessarily mean complaining or anything. Just hit play wasn’t where he wanted, I’m sure he was fed up with the media here, and now based on these comments seems like his feelings were a bit of what bogosian felt possibly. I don’t think there is necessarily ill will between the two sides, but seems like his moving on was probably mutual.

I mean Lebrun said otherwise. Said Andersen would even do a time share with Jack. So do we take Lebruns word or yours?

 

[Sypher04]

I mean Lebrun said otherwise. Said Andersen would even do a time share with Jack. So do we take Lebruns word or yours?

It’s not my word. It’s Freddy’s. Pretty easy to read between the lines. He effectively said he didn’t enjoy playing hockey in Toronto in the last 2 years he was here, so why would he have stayed? Seems pretty open and shut to me. Lebrun does get things wrong sometimes.

Again seems quite clear this was a mutual split.

 

[Shooter2x]

The Canes at the time did though.

Thats what I'm saying......and looking at Andersen's degradation (partly caused by injuries) that started under Babcock, it was a pretty brave move to sign him for that contract.

I feel like you're grasping for straws now. I gave you a strong argument that clearly shows how much they believed in Fred, and your last ditch attempt with Darling also got debunked. I think at this point we should agree to disagree.

 

[Sypher04]

You're speculating off his quotes today that he wouldn't have stayed. Look at the entire quote for entire context. Back in summer he was willing, based on a trusted source. So your speculation is hard to accept, that's all.

Lebrun, like most insiders, posts as much he’s wrong about as he does right. And no, I’m not speculating at all. Andersen went out of his way to specifically mention he enjoyed his first few years here, which is a clear indication he felt differently about the last 2. I did read the full quote and I already explained how the context supports it.

 

[Shooter2x]

It’s not my word. It’s Freddy’s. Pretty easy to read between the lines. He effectively said he didn’t enjoy playing hockey in Toronto in the last 2 years he was here, so why would he have stayed? Seems pretty open and shut to me. Lebrun does get things wrong sometimes.

Again seems quite clear this was a mutual split.

You're speculating off his quotes today that he wouldn't have stayed. Look at the entire quote for entire context. Back in summer he was willing, based on a trusted source. So your speculation is hard to accept, that's all.

 

[Zybalto]

Yeah, but he helped build it. He was there on the bench.

Yup, he did but he's basically taking over the same great team with the same system that he wasn't even the brainchild of and keeping it going. Keefe is the winningest active coach in the league who has a better record than Brunette since he took over. Brunette has literally no edge on Keefe. I can't even find one reason why he should be in the conversation over Keefe.

I mean, even Evason got a nomination last season after a super small sample size of success. The reason Keefe isn't getting recognition is that no one is pushing for him in sports media. Goaltending could even out and the Leafs could win the president's trophy and go on a great playoff run and he still wouldn't get recognition IMO.

I mean, Scotty Bowman coached arguably the most talented teams ever and he still managed to get treated like coaching Jesus right? I didnt hear anyone say having Yzerman/Federov/Lidstrom or Jagr/Lemeuix/Coffey or Lafleur/Robinson/Shutt made him somehow not eligible.

 

[Shooter2x]

Lebrun, like most insiders, posts as much he’s wrong about as he does right. And no, I’m not speculating at all. Andersen went out of his way to specifically mention he enjoyed his first few years here, which is a clear indication he felt differently about the last 2. I did read the full quote and I already explained how the context supports it.

If you're not speculating then you're twisting his words because I'm not sure how it's factual Andersen is showing he had no interest signing.

I mean even if Lebrun is wrong sometimes, he would be wrong less than you, so I still have to go with Lebrun.

 

[Sypher04]

If you're not speculating then you're twisting his words because I'm not sure how it's factual Andersen is showing he had no interest signing.

I mean even if Lebrun is wrong sometimes, he would be wrong less than you, so I still have to go with Lebrun.

As I said, Freddy’s comments while there is nothing wrong with them speak volumes in terms of where he was at with regards to staying here. Again, why would Andersen re-sign somewhere he hasn’t enjoyed being in two years? Seems like a pretty simple connect the dots.

 

[ChickenMcNugget]

Lebrun, like most insiders, posts as much he’s wrong about as he does right. And no, I’m not speculating at all. Andersen went out of his way to specifically mention he enjoyed his first few years here, which is a clear indication he felt differently about the last 2. I did read the full quote and I already explained how the context supports it.

I dont think speculating means what you think it means lmao. Ofcourse he would not enjoy his time here when he was relegated to backup. Do you think Jack is enjoying his time here when he is putting up 4 GAA. Do you think he hates toronto too?

 

[Zybalto]

I feel like you're grasping for straws now. I gave you a strong argument that clearly shows how much they believed in Fred, and your last ditch attempt with Darling also got debunked. I think at this point we should agree to disagree.

I have no clue what you are talking about.

Grasping at straws? I just said Carolina has been desperate for goaltending and took the gamble with Freddy (with a contract less than good goalies were getting as UFAs so Andersen may not have had many suitors). I just brought up how they had been burned the previous half-decade and gave you the most obvious example of how they were burned. Maybe I missed your point somewhere?

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Freddy chose to leave. His comments today only make that clearer to me. I don’t even necessarily mean complaining or anything. Just hit play wasn’t where he wanted, I’m sure he was fed up with the media here, and now based on these comments seems like his feelings were a bit of what bogosian felt possibly. I don’t think there is necessarily ill will between the two sides, but seems like his moving on was probably mutual.

Wouldn't he still have the same quote if he was a Leaf?

It would just change into something like last 2 years wasn't fun but glad things are back on track now blah blah... I dunno I'm blanking out on making up a quote lol

 

[Zybalto]

As I said, Freddy’s comments while there is nothing wrong with them speak volumes in terms of where he was at with regards to staying here. Again, why would Andersen re-sign somewhere he hasn’t enjoyed being in two years? Seems like a pretty simple connect the dots.

I think it's even less overdramatic than that. The guy was injured and playing lousy. Of course, he didn't have fun the last two years.

Gotta remember the media loves the OOC soundbites to rile people up.

 

[Sypher04]

I dont think speculating means what you think it means lmao. Ofcourse he would not enjoy his time here when he was relegated to backup. Do you think Jack is enjoying his time here when he is putting up 4 GAA. Do you think he hates toronto too?

Nah I’m fully aware what it means. It’s just not really speculation if the player is spelling it out for you in his quote.

Also where did I say he hates Toronto? He can say he didn’t enjoy his time here the last couple years and it could also be true he never was coming back without him having to harbor hatred toward the city or the team.

Seems fairly likely to me that Ontario Covid restrictions played a role in him wanting to go elsewhere.

 

[Shooter2x]

I have no clue what you are talking about.

Grasping at straws? I just said Carolina has been desperate for goaltending and took the gamble with Freddy (with a contract less than good goalies were getting as UFAs so Andersen may not have had many suitors). I just brought up how they had been burned the previous half-decade and gave you the most obvious example of how they were burned. Maybe I missed your point somewhere?

I don't really know how to answer "Canes at the time did though", it has no relevance to the situation we're discussing so my apologies if I was rude but it just feels like you're starting to beat around the bush.

You're right it was brave for them to clean house and take the gamble on Fred. We'll call truce there.

 

[ChickenMcNugget]

Nah I’m fully aware what it means. It’s just not really speculation if the player is spelling it out for you in his quote.

Also where did I say he hates Toronto? He can say he didn’t enjoy his time here the last couple years and it could also be true he never was coming back without him having to harbor hatred toward the city or the team.

I read between the lines and am 100% sure you meant to say that Freddie hated Toronto

 

[Nylanderthal]

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For context top left: Tom Wilson clincher
Top Right: 1st goal game 7 2019
Bottom right: game 5 Columbus foudy
Bottom left: game 7 2018 go ahead goal

 

[zeke]

Hilarious

 

[zeke]

All this talk about goals against average and nobody wants to explain why Jack has a better GAA this year than Fred ever had as a Leaf.

Anyone? Bueller?

 

[zeke]

 

[Zybalto]

All this talk about goals against average and nobody wants to explain why Jack has a better GAA this year than Fred ever had as a Leaf.

Well, thats easy no? Team D is immensely improved from when Andersen played. It's just too bad he couldn't stay healthy (or mentally checked in) enough to bring his "A" game to the team the last couple of years. If sure he would have enjoyed the departure from the 2 minute fire drills in our own zone game after game.

I know I'm higher on Andersen than you are from the 2017-2019 period but I think this years Andersen would be playing virtually the same on the Leafs as he has been on the Canes. The two teams are not that far apart defensively really. He himself acknowledges he was hobbled by injuries the last two seasons so I'm not even sure he is taking a slam here at anyone really. Just more drama soundbites for the masses to consume.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Anyone? Bueller?

You're better than this. Take his current play to 60-66 starts and let me know what the g.a.a looks like.