GDT: Leafs Vs Canes

[fahad203]

I find it comical how we are comparing Mrazek/Campbell to Andersen

Anderson net only leading the league in average but still looks very much like decent NHL goalie

Where Mrazek and Campbell look like ECHL goalies

 

[Zybalto]

I think the way Leafs play defense is not that great IMO. If they want to play that system they need someone like Vasy in net; if not they have to change the way they play 5 men defense. These subtleties are often missed in the "not so advanced stats" like xGF% etc...

Analytic stats are precisely are what are saying he's been so good this season, or at least back up to what he was in 2018-2019. They make him look even better than his record.

Injuries were certainly a problem (and remain a worry) but when his actual stats crumbled for three years and he lost his starting job and got outplayed by Hutch as a backup, did he expect something different than the outcome?

The guy had trouble moving and tracking the puck and point shots were going right through him last season. Had nothing to do with the D really. We all watched it happen right?

 

[Zybalto]

I find it comical how we are comparing Mrazek/Campbell to Andersen

Anderson net only leading the league in average but still looks very much like decent NHL goalie

Where Mrazek and Campbell look like ECHL goalies

Up until mid January, Campbell was the 2nd best goalie in the league though. Why?

 

[Shooter2x]

Up until mid January, Campbell was the 2nd best goalie in the league though. Why?

Not even Campbell can answer this for you.

Also it was only one month of elite play. You can go break it down month by month to confirm.

 

[IPS]

This actually makes me feel more sad. I don't think you achieved your intended effect.

We scored less than that low scoring team. 8 goals across 5 games from forwards. We handed the opposition the stats needed on a silver platter to easily make Fred the second best goalie in that series

And now we go to fallback argument #2:

"Columbus' goalies were world class! So hot! Impossible to produce against them. Damn Freddy cost us that series!" Even though Kucherov and Point had no issues cracking him the next series as their team beat them in 5 games.

 

[IPS]

Up until mid January, Campbell was the 2nd best goalie in the league though. Why?

Vezina candidate/favorite by most of this own fanbase's admission.

 

[budzz]

Carolina plays a very good defensive, high tempo game. Give them credit for that, they play hard every time. Mix the Leafs talent up front and Carolina's relentless give-a-crap, and you'd have a powerhouse.

Good for Freddy but whatever. His regular season numbers were decent here too. It will be interesting to see how he performs in the playoffs... numbers aside, it's the "back-breakers" he gave up that were killers, and at terrible times. We all watched them. Let's see what he's got before declaring organizational collapse.

Or if he does well, maybe he wasn't cut out for the pressure in Toronto? Not saying I have any answers but nothing is settled re: Mr. Andersen.

 

[Zybalto]

Not even Campbell can answer this for you.

Also it was only one month of elite play. You can go break it down month by month to confirm.

Go ahead and do that....it's still ends up with Campbell being the 2nd best goalie in hockey in mid January and if you want to go all the way back to his play since the trade that brought him here, here is how he ranked among all keepers with 50+ starts (Feb. 6, 2020- January 14th, 2022):

1. Saros: .930
2. Campbell: .928
3. Shesterkin: .927
4. Vasy: .923
5. Varlamov: .922

It's why it's probable he will bounce back as thats a real solid stretch of solid goaltending. I still want to grab number 5 on that list.....

 

[Dekes For Days]

LOL getting shutout twice in a series is f***ing embarassing for a team that has their 50% of the cap tied into 4 offensive forwards. CBJ series was a disaster and it had nothing to do with Andersen.

That was more a result of our depth's inability to score than our top guys, and getting shutout against the best defensive team in the league getting 0.950 goaltending is not nearly as "embarrassing" or a "disaster" as you make it out to be. Andersen definitely played a part in the loss.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

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We missed you too buddy...just the first few years too.

 

[Zybalto]

Vezina candidate/favorite by most of this own fanbase's admission.

Yup, and like I just showed, he was top flight for quite a while which was why there were so many believers. Oddly enough, I never bought in but here I am defending him just the same.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

A very "involved" coach



And look at the confidence he has in his players

Say whatever you want...Brindamour was a coach's player and I think he's a player's coach. His game was pretty damn solid too so really respect him.

 

[Shooter2x]

Go ahead and do that....it's still ends up with Campbell being the 2nd best goalie in hockey in mid January and if you want to go all the way back to his play since the trade that brought him here, here is how he ranked among all keepers with 50+ starts (Feb. 6, 2020- January 14th, 2022):

1. Saros: .930
2. Campbell: .928
3. Shesterkin: .927
4. Vasy: .923
5. Varlamov: .922

It's why it's probable he will bounce back as thats a real solid stretch of solid goaltending. I still want to grab number 5 on that list.....

Opening up a can of worms for yourself if you want to go back to last season. Campbells last half of his 20ish games last season are not good. Then he follows it up putting up a .890 in the elimination games in the playoffs.

That's a +1 for sticking with Fred. It was too small a sample in a division Leafs barely broke a sweat. They got a preview of Campbells ability to be high and low with no-inbetween but still ditched Fred for him.

Now what happened this season? The exact same problem. Elite then he flat lined and remained there. Was able to push the number of elite games from the low teens to mid 20s this time at least.

Well not exactly exact, flat line is an understatement for the "low" seen this year.

 

[Zybalto]

Opening up a can of worms for yourself if you want to go back to last season. Campbells last half of his 20ish games last season are not good. Then he follows it up putting up a .890 in the elimination games in the playoffs.

That's a +1 for sticking with Fred. It was too small a sample in a division Leafs barely broke a sweat. They got a preview of Campbells ability to be high and low with no-inbetween but still ditched Fred for him.

Now what happened this season? The exact same problem. Elite then he flat lined and remained there. Was able to push the number of elite games from the low teens to mid 20s this time at least.

It still all averaged it out to him having the 2nd best save % in the league since Jan. 2020 though.

I agree he's been inconsistent but no one was more inconsistent than Andersen the last 3 years whether it was caused by injury or not. It's what made it impossible to resign him. Teams want some certainty moving forward and Campbell was easily the far safer bet than Andersen at the end of the year. The Hurricanes who have starving for a half decent keeper for half a decade threw the hail mary at him though and it's paying off....for now...

 

[fahad203]

It still all averaged it out to him having the 2nd best save % in the league since Jan. 2020 though.

I agree he's been inconsistent but no one was more inconsistent than Andersen the last 3 years whether it was caused by injury or not. It's what made it impossible to resign him. Teams want some certainty moving forward and Campbell was easily the far safer bet than Andersen at the end of the year. The Hurricanes who have starving for a half decent keeper for half a decade threw the hail mary at him though and it's paying off....for now...

Andersen was inconsistent no doubt. But never for a second did totally forget to make easy saves or forget to play hockey

Campbell lately just looks like he has never played hockey. At no point Andersen was even close to being this bad

Sure Campbell can recover for his sake and the team he has to. But one inconsistency is not like the other

At no point in Andersens career did I have to worry about him going into playoffs. I have nothing but worries about Campbell.

 

[Shooter2x]

It still all averaged it out to him having the 2nd best save % in the league since Jan. 2020 though.

That's the problem. Campbell is not someone you can average out. You're averaging from a peak and a trough, it doesn't tell you much.

I cut out the rest of your post by accident but hail mary is not correct for Carolina. Look at neds numbers, who is younger than Campbell too. They didn't need to hail mary. They cleaned out their goaltending for Fred. They believed in him 100%

 

[Fogelhund]

Andersen was inconsistent no doubt. But never for a second did totally forget to make easy saves or forget to play hockey

Campbell lately just looks like he has never played hockey. At no point Andersen was even close to being this bad

Sure Campbell can recover for his sake and the team he has to. But one inconsistency is not like the other

At no point in Andersens career did I have to worry about him going into playoffs. I have nothing but worries about Campbell.

Yes, Campbell's play of late has been worse than Andersen, except maybe Andersen's early season games, where he always seemed to get a slow start.

That being said. yes, most people worried about him in the playoffs, as he always did seem to let in a softie, and wasn't as good in final games. We had to move on from him, it just was no longer working out.

Campbell who looked better.... has been worse since his "issues".

 

[1specter]

For everyone jumping on Andersen about his comment, here's the full quote:

“I dealt with a lot of different things that you don’t see,” Andersen said of his five years a Leaf. “Definitely before the pandemic was a fun time for me, and I think the world changed quite drastically, and it was never the same.

Definitely enjoyed the first few years I was here.”

Hardly anything to be upset about or deem him being a classless baby. This is why it's important to see the full context instead of just one snippet in isolation.

 

[Rogue Leader]

Just came across this. Keefe doesn't get 1 lick of respect for how he's managed the horrible shitshow of goaltending issues/defense and still keeping the Leafs in a top-5 spot. Seems like he never will either. Gallant being nominated is hilarious. Shersterkin might win him that trophy single handedly.

Let's be honest. Keefe has Matthews, Marner - he will never win such a trophy.
The true hero is Rod Brind'Amour - he is doing such an amazing job.

 

[Zybalto]

That's the problem. Campbell is not someone you can average out. You're averaging from a peak and a trough, it doesn't tell you much.

I cut out the rest of your post by accident but hail mary is not correct for Carolina. Look at neds numbers, who is younger than Campbell too. They didn't need to hail mary. They cleaned out their goaltending for Fred. They believed in him 100%

They also believed in Darling 100%.....

 

[Rogue Leader]

Freddy will be looking to prove we made a mistake, let's give the kid the support he needs just like last game.

If he wins tonight against a strong team, keep rolling with him and with 22 games left maybe we'll have the next Hamburglar in the making.

We did make a mistake - as is evident. The good thing is the boys should know all of his weak spots.

 

[Zybalto]

Let's be honest. Keefe has Matthews, Marner - he will never win such a trophy.
The true hero is Rod Brind'Amour - he is doing such an amazing job.

Brunette has Barkov, Huberdeau and Ekblad and the job fell on his lap when the team was 7-0 and coming off the best season in decades and Keefe has had a better record than him since he took over.

It really feels like theres a strong "ol boys club" mentality and Keefe has a certain history that some folks dont like IMO.

 

[Rogue Leader]

Carolina plays a very good defensive, high tempo game. Give them credit for that, they play hard every time. Mix the Leafs talent up front and Carolina's relentless give-a-crap, and you'd have a powerhouse.

Good for Freddy but whatever. His regular season numbers were decent here too. It will be interesting to see how he performs in the playoffs... numbers aside, it's the "back-breakers" he gave up that were killers, and at terrible times. We all watched them. Let's see what he's got before declaring organizational collapse.

Or if he does well, maybe he wasn't cut out for the pressure in Toronto? Not saying I have any answers but nothing is settled re: Mr. Andersen.

I still believe Freddy is mentally weak. He breaks down at the most key moments.
Cujo went into hyper-mode in key moments. When he focused he went super-saiyan!

 

[Rogue Leader]

Brunette has Barkov, Huberdeau and Ekblad and the job fell on his lap when the team was 7-0 and coming off the best season in decades and Keefe has had a better record than him since he took over.

It really feels like theres a strong "ol boys club" mentality and Keefe has a certain history that some folks dont like IMO.

Yeah, but he helped build it. He was there on the bench.

 

[Shooter2x]

They also believed in Darling 100%.....

No they didn't. Francis made that trade. Waddell brought in Andersen.

"They" being totally different gms. That's like saying Lou signed Bunting