Post-Game Talk: Leafs sweep California

[Confucius]

Don't stop posting because a few posters call you negative. Fans have every right to be and this place would be a total bore with nothing but cheerleading

If you want negativity the mainboards are a great place to hang out. The team's board should be supportive of the team, at worst constructive criticism not throwing guys under the bus.

 

[zeke]

Don't stop posting because a few posters call you negative. Fans have every right to be and this place would be a total bore with nothing but cheerleading

Ah yes this board is a bastion of boring cheerleading.

 

[Gary Nylund]

So the leafs weren't favourites against Columbus, eh? Wow. That's a new one. Sinking to new lows I see.

And apparently a playoff series is just "luck" and too short of a sample size to conclude anything. Even 5 straight playoff series.

Here's something that I guarantee. That I flat out guarantee!!! If the leafs ever make a good playoff push and win multiple series, I GUARANTEE that those using the word "luck" here will exchange it for words like "talent" and "skill".

Just imagine how'd they react if the leafs won multiple playoff series and everyone just (lol) wrote it off as "luck".

Yeah I'm tired of hearing all this crap about luck as well. Sure there's some luck involved at times, but most of the time there isn't.

There have been some recent cup winners who went into game 7 OT before winning. When you get to that point it's absolutely true that an bounce here or an inch there and there could have been a different result, 100% true. But even then, the team that wins the cup was a really good team, perhaps not head and shoulders above the competition but at the same time, you can't really point to another team and say they were better either. But OK, some luck involved.

There are also some cup winners who IMHO were clearly the best team that year, TB the last two years is a good example. Full credit for the 2 cups, no question to me that they proved themselves to be the best team and there was no luck involved whatsoever.

Yes, fans can be emotional. Want to know what's most common about about emotions in fans? It's not "only seeing negatives". Not at all. What's FAR more common is fans refusing to see reality. THAT'S what the stereotypical fan does. They see things through rose colored glasses and delude themselves into thinking everything is hunky dory. And this can go REALLY far. Even to the extent of making lame excuses for FIVE straight first round losses and stat mining literal insanity to rationalize futility.

They either refuse to see the reality, or they are simply not capable of seeing it.

And you could ask pretty much any hockey fan the question "Are the playoffs pretty much an entirely different game than the regular season?" and pretty much 100% will answer "yes". Some posters in this thread refuse to acknowledge that. The leafs are much much better at more "pond hockey" style regular season hockey, and their star players get shut down when the whistles go away and teams clamp down.

The playoffs are a different game, 100% true. As far as this team not being as good at playoff hockey, I don't know what to say. The last 4 years have shown that they can play playoff hockey just fine. Until the last deciding game that is, then they just fold and go home. It's just so bizarre, I can't explain it and I really hope this spring is different. I can take losing, losing happens to everyone. What I'm not sure I can take much more of is playing like a really good team for 82 regular season games and 6 playoff games and then - poof. One more year of that and I just might lose my mind.

So the leafs weren't favourites against Columbus, eh? Wow. That's a new one. Sinking to new lows I see.

And apparently a playoff series is just "luck" and too short of a sample size to conclude anything. Even 5 straight playoff series.

Here's something that I guarantee. That I flat out guarantee!!! If the leafs ever make a good playoff push and win multiple series, I GUARANTEE that those using the word "luck" here will exchange it for words like "talent" and "skill".

Just imagine how'd they react if the leafs won multiple playoff series and everyone just (lol) wrote it off as "luck".

Yeah I'm tired of hearing all this crap about luck as well. Sure there's some luck involved at times, but most of the time there isn't.

There have been some recent cup winners who went into game 7 OT before winning. When you get to that point it's absolutely true that an bounce here or an inch there and there could have been a different result, 100% true. But even then, the team that wins the cup was a really good team, perhaps not head and shoulders above the competition but at the same time, you can't really point to another team and say they were better either. But OK, some luck involved.

There are also some cup winners who IMHO were clearly the best team that year, TB the last two years is a good example. Full credit for the 2 cups, no question to me that they proved themselves to be the best team and there was no luck involved.

Yes, fans can be emotional. Want to know what's most common about about emotions in fans? It's not "only seeing negatives". Not at all. What's FAR more common is fans refusing to see reality. THAT'S what the stereotypical fan does. They see things through rose colored glasses and delude themselves into thinking everything is hunky dory. And this can go REALLY far. Even to the extent of making lame excuses for FIVE straight first round losses and stat mining literal insanity to rationalize futility.

They either refuse to see the reality, or they are simply not capable of seeing it.

And you could ask pretty much any hockey fan the question "Are the playoffs pretty much an entirely different game than the regular season?" and pretty much 100% will answer "yes". Some posters in this thread refuse to acknowledge that. The leafs are much much better at more "pond hockey" style regular season hockey, and their star players get shut down when the whistles go away and teams clamp down.

The playoffs are a different game, 100% true. As far as this team not being as good at playoff hockey, I don't know what to say. The last 4 years have shown that they can play playoff hockey just fine. Until the last deciding game that is, then they just fold and go home. It's just so bizarre, I can't explain it and I really hope this spring is different. I can take losing, losing happens to everyone. What I'm not sure I can take much more of is playing like a really good team for 82 regular season games and 6 playoff games and then - poof, we stop competing. One more year of that and I just might lose my mind.

 

[ShaneFalco]

If you want negativity the mainboards are a great place to hang out. The team's board should be supportive of the team, at worst constructive criticism not throwing guys under the bus.

Those are the rules eh?

 

[Confucius]

Those are the rules eh?

just pointing out where negativity is appreciated,

 

[ACC1224]

just pointing out where negativity is appreciated,

Some perceive reality as negativity.

 

[mikeyz]

Yes but it's not just the losing, it's the way they lose. It's the way they'll watch JT being cross-checked over and over and skate away. Or play against the isles in their captain's first game back and lay an egg. Or health care workers in the stands against the Habs and play like it's an exhibition game. Zamboni guy game. It's the total lack of compete that happens far, far too often. Every year we hear Muzzin say how easy they are to play against, we see 16 become ineffective and totally predictable, and a bone-head coach who didn't adapt.

This win streak has been great, but I want to see how they fare after the holidays when things tighten up. If that makes me anti-Dubas, or not a true fan, or negative, so be it.

If I could like this post a million times, I would.

Finally someone who gets it.

 

[Confucius]

People are either the glass is half full or the glass is half empty. No amount of conversation will change that basic way of thinking. No sense in beating this dead horse anymore.

EASTERN CONFERENCE	W-L-OTL	PTS	GP	ROW	SOW	GF	GA	GD	L10	STRK
1	Capitals	14-3-5	33	22	14	0	78	52	26	8-1-1	W3
2	Maple Leafs	16-6-1	33	23	16	0	66	49	17	9-1-0	W4
3	Hurricanes	15-4-1	31	20	15	0	66	43	23	6-3-1	L1
4	Panthers	14-4-3	31	21	14	0	77	56	21	4-4-2	L2
5	Rangers	13-4-3	29	20	12	1	60	54	6	7-2-1	W3
6	Lightning	12-5-3	27	20	10	2	64	56

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[TheDoldrums]

Don't stop posting because a few posters call you negative. Fans have every right to be and this place would be a total bore with nothing but cheerleading

yeah it's very exciting to rehash the columbus series from two years ago in all these post-game threads, thrilling content

 

[Gary Nylund]

People are either the glass is half full or the glass is half empty. No amount of conversation will change that basic way of thinking. No sense in beating this dead horse anymore.

EASTERN CONFERENCE	W-L-OTL	PTS	GP	ROW	SOW	GF	GA	GD	L10	STRK
1	Capitals	14-3-5	33	22	14	0	78	52	26	8-1-1	W3
2	Maple Leafs	16-6-1	33	23	16	0	66	49	17	9-1-0	W4
3	Hurricanes	15-4-1	31	20	15	0	66	43	23	6-3-1	L1
4	Panthers	14-4-3	31	21	14	0	77	56	21	4-4-2	L2
5	Rangers	13-4-3	29	20	12	1	60	54	6	7-2-1	W3
6	Lightning	12-5-3	27	20	10	2	64	56

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Looking at the standings by PTS% makes so much more sense. Here's a link, scroll down a bit and click on PTS% to sort. Toronto is 6th overall, 5th in the East and 2nd in the division.

2021-22 NHL Summary | Hockey-Reference.com

 

[kb]

yeah it's very exciting to rehash the columbus series from two years ago in all these post-game threads, thrilling content

That's what the unenlightened call "Keeping it real"

 

[Gary Nylund]

yeah it's very exciting to rehash the columbus series from two years ago in all these post-game threads, thrilling content

Yep, I'm am tired of reading all the excuses why we couldn't beat CLB too but whatever, it's a public forum and people can post whatever they want to post. If you really can't take it anymore then there's an ignore feature you can use, I don't have many people on my ignore list but I can tell you that my experience here is much improved because of it.

 

[Confucius]

Looking at the standings by PTS% makes so much more sense. Here's a link, scroll down a bit and click on PTS% to sort. Toronto is 6th overall, 5th in the East and 2nd in the division.

2021-22 NHL Summary | Hockey-Reference.com

6th overall pretty good that means there are 26 worse teams than us. Rejoice! lol!

 

[ShaneFalco]

yeah it's very exciting to rehash the columbus series from two years ago in all these post-game threads, thrilling content

Block me or don't read. The expected goals/wins/we're elite chest thumping is so.much more enjoyable

 

[Dekes For Days]

Yes, fans can be emotional. Want to know what's most common about about emotions in fans? It's not "only seeing negatives". Not at all. What's FAR more common is fans refusing to see reality.

When end playoff results are not what the fans want them to be, there is a tendency to only see the negatives, and we see that constantly in this very forum. Despite the reality being that we have an excellent team, set up well, with an excellent chance to win the cup, we see constant negativity and misery spouted by individuals who call themselves fans. Even in a post-game thread celebrating a franchise-record number of wins in a month.

And you could ask pretty much any hockey fan the question "Are the playoffs pretty much an entirely different game than the regular season?" and pretty much 100% will answer "yes".

While there are minor differences, the amount that the regular season and playoffs differ is massively exaggerated. This narrative tends to come from people refusing to acknowledge the actual reasons for regular season/playoff outcome discrepancies. Our team's play was just as dominant against Montreal in the playoffs as it was in the regular season, and that's while missing some pretty big pieces.

Just imagine how'd they react if the leafs won multiple playoff series and everyone just (lol) wrote it off as "luck".

Oh, we'd certainly hear a lot if we got outplayed in a playoff series by a team missing significant pieces to injury, and our goalie carried us to a win.

 

[Gary Nylund]

6th overall pretty good that means there are 26 worse teams than us. Rejoice! lol!

I expected us to finish somewhere around 6th overall just like we've been doing for a few years now so no big surprise here. I am very happy though because after a poor start, we've been killing it and ATM it looks like this could be the year we win our division which would be amazing.

I'll do a bit of rejoicing when we win a playoff series, for now I'll just say that I'm very happy with the way we're playing and as I've been saying for a number of years now and at the risk of sounding like a foolish, gullible optimist I will say it again ... this could be the year.

 

[Notsince67]

Some perceive reality as negativity.

There is a marked difference between an expression of one's perceived reality and thread jacking.
When every thread contains stuff like "leafs suck until proven otherwise in the playoffs" or "Marner is a greedy SOB" or "Dubas is crap" and the majority is posted by the same rotating posters, I dont believe objecting to that is perceiving reality as negative.

 

[Fogelhund]

Who let the negativity posters out from under their bridge?

 

[zeke]

 

[mikeyz]

I am a skeptic, so I'll chime in. The team cannot do anything during the regular season to make me believe in them. They could end the season 75-6-1 not losing anymore games and I still wouldn't believe in them. Until they win at least 1 playoff round I will not be excited. Until this happens I'll quietly observe and try not to post any negativity in this forum. But since you asked, this is my answer.

I am at this point too.

 

[mikeyz]

So the leafs weren't favourites against Columbus, eh? Wow. That's a new one. Sinking to new lows I see.

And apparently a playoff series is just "luck" and too short of a sample size to conclude anything. Even 5 straight playoff series.

Here's something that I guarantee. That I flat out guarantee!!! If the leafs ever make a good playoff push and win multiple series, I GUARANTEE that those using the word "luck" here will exchange it for words like "talent" and "skill".

Just imagine how'd they react if the leafs won multiple playoff series and everyone just (lol) wrote it off as "luck".

Really going out on a limb with that prediction aren’t you???

 

[Gary Nylund]

There is a marked difference between an expression of one's perceived reality and thread jacking.
When every thread contains stuff like "leafs suck until proven otherwise in the playoffs" or "Marner is a greedy SOB" or "Dubas is crap" and the majority is posted by the same rotating posters, I dont believe objecting to that is perceiving reality as negative.

Thank you for this example of what you consider to be meaningful content.

 

[Dekes For Days]

It's legitimately sad that some people are so consumed by the destination that they are unable to enjoy the journey. It's even sadder when they feel it necessary to inject negativity into the journey for everybody else.

 

[ACC1224]

There is a marked difference between an expression of one's perceived reality and thread jacking.
When every thread contains stuff like "leafs suck until proven otherwise in the playoffs" or "Marner is a greedy SOB" or "Dubas is crap" and the majority is posted by the same rotating posters, I dont believe objecting to that is perceiving reality as negative.

I'm sure that handful can be easily ignored. I easily ignore the hand full in the Pom Pom waiving group.
The constant bickering back and forth is what hijacks threads.

 

[zeke]

The "reality" being, of course, that the Leafs are one of the best teams in hockey.