Confirmed with Link: Leafs sign D Jani Hakanpaa (2 years, $1.5M AAV) [in progress; medical delay?]

[WTFMAN99]

Why would we trade the player that can potentially be our best 2-way defender?
He deserves a chance with a coach that doesnt misuse him non-stop to get a regular shift and partner and see what he is actually able to do, then, we decide.
You cannot give up on a guy that one game plays like your best defender, and then next game the coach gives him a new partner and role.

Liljegren consistently made bad give aways and lost puck battles, that'll get him a nice press box seat under any head coach.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Not a big deal if this doesn't go through.

It gives the other Rds more leeway to make and stay with the team.

 

[mydnyte]

size can refer to multiple things, but in this context, it should be weight because that is how people use it when comparing people.

this can be summed up fairly easily... are Johnny Gaudreau and Ryan Lomberg the same size?

weight is never used to compare size, height is the standard. ...from childhood, kids are lined up by height, not weight.
when you look at add 'size' to a lineup, you look for the 'biggest' players, not the heaviest, else Rielly would be a feared defender, because at 225, he's our biggest defender by your definition

Liljegren consistently made bad give aways and lost puck battles, that'll get him a nice press box seat under any head coach.

he wasnt nearly as good after his injury, that is true, but, he was also always the most misused defender, so, i'm willing to see what he can do.

 

[WTFMAN99]

weight is never used to compare size, height is the standard. ...from childhood, kids are lined up by height, not weight.
when you look at add 'size' to a lineup, you look for the 'biggest' players, not the heaviest, else Rielly would be a feared defender, because at 225, he's our biggest defender by your definition


he wasnt nearly as good after his injury, that is true, but, he was also always the most misused defender, so, i'm willing to see what he can do.

He showed you exactly what he was, a soft defenseman.

He couldn't PK

Hakanpaa plays a playoff style game, he's basically right shot Zadorov with less PR, Liljegren's main competition is the salary cap and Simon Benoit to get into the top 6.

 

[notbias]

weight is never used to compare size, height is the standard. ...from childhood, kids are lined up by height, not weight.
when you look at add 'size' to a lineup, you look for the 'biggest' players, not the heaviest, else Rielly would be a feared defender, because at 225, he's our biggest defender by your definition

Can you please confirm?

Ryan Lomberg and Johnny Gaudreau are the same size?

Byfuglien and Engvall are the same size?

You're talking about something completely irrelevant in the second sentence, but yes Rielly is our biggest D.

He showed you exactly what he was, a soft defenseman.

He couldn't PK

Hakanpaa plays a playoff style game, he's basically right shot Zadorov with less PR, Liljegren's main competition is the salary cap and Simon Benoit to get into the top 6.

Zadarov and Hakanpaa are very, very different.

 

[Clark4Ever]

I hope he will be healthy enough to play for us. There's lots of noise in the media that he might not be able to come back from his knee injuries.

 

[rumman]

Still early in the off-season.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Liljegren on the move.

I sure hope so...........

 

[mydnyte]

size can refer to multiple things, but in this context, it should be weight because that is how people use it when comparing people.

this can be summed up fairly easily... are Johnny Gaudreau and Ryan Lomberg the same size?

like i said in the suit example ...size is height, and shest/shoulders first and foremost
...weight has nothing to do with size, unless you are talking about obesity ...if Gaudreau went on a diet of donuts and pork chops he could weigh more than Lomberg, but it wouldnt make him 'bigger' add Marchand to your example, he plays much bigger than he is too. Strength and style make them different, and also, not having a build (small shoulders) like a child.

is Rielly at 6' 1" 225lbs bigger than Haka who is 6'7" but only weighs 222lbs? for you Rielly is bigger right?

 

[Dekes For Days]

New Leafs strategy .. Surrender less goals against, so you require less goal for to produce winning results

Last year under Treliving, the Leafs allowed the most goals against since 2010.

 

[Stephen]

Hakanpaa is a #6/7, so it isn't like bringing back a top 10 winger and $10 million in cap.

The idea is to use the cap if we are LTIRing til the playoffs, what can we do with $1.5 million? We would probably have more without LTIR.

Makes no sense.

The concept would be to activate Hakanpaa at our leisure once the playoffs start and cap isn’t an issue.

Meanwhile we add a rental at the deadline who is a forward.

 

[Stephen]

Last year under Treliving, the Leafs allowed the most goals against since 2010.

Treliving’s gotta tighten up his stance, play and the top of the crease and stay off the IR. Been saying it for a decade.

 

[notbias]

like i said in the suit example ...size is height, and shest/shoulders first and foremost
...weight has nothing to do with size, unless you are talking about obesity ...if Gaudreau went on a diet of donuts and pork chops he could weigh more than Lomberg, but it wouldnt make him 'bigger' add Marchand to your example, he plays much bigger than he is too. Strength and style make them different, and also, not having a build (small shoulders) like a child.

is Rielly at 6' 1" 225lbs bigger than Haka who is 6'7" but only weighs 222lbs? for you Rielly is bigger right?

If Reilly weighs more, then yes he is bigger.

I think you know that you are wrong so I probably won't respond after this, it's just getting repetitive and arguing with someone who can't admit they are wrong is pointless.

According to you, these 4 people are all the same size.

The concept would be to activate Hakanpaa at our leisure once the playoffs start and cap isn’t an issue.

Meanwhile we add a rental at the deadline who is a forward.

It makes no sense, we'd likely have more space if he wasn't on LTIR.

I don't see a reason to put him on LTIR, it isn't like he is making a significant amount, if they maximize the LTIR space, they can add $1.5 million.

 

[Dekes For Days]

The concept would be to activate Hakanpaa at our leisure once the playoffs start and cap isn’t an issue.

That concept takes somebody with no knees who hasn't played in 13 months and throws him into the playoffs.

Treliving’s gotta tighten up his stance, play and the top of the crease and stay off the IR. Been saying it for a decade.

No, he needs to be an effective GM. Personally, I don't think the worst results in 14 years is worthy of praise.

 

[Stephen]

If Reilly weighs more, then yes he is bigger.

I think you know that you are wrong so I probably won't respond after this, it's just getting repetitive and arguing with someone who can't admit they are wrong is pointless.

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According to you, these 4 people are all the same size.



It makes no sense, we'd likely have more space if he wasn't on LTIR.

I don't see a reason to put him on LTIR, it isn't like he is making a significant amount, if they maximize the LTIR space, they can add $1.5 million.

Ideally Hakanpaa is a Leaf and he plays 82 games and is a factor on D at $1.5 million AAV. If he’s really hurt and needs more time, the calculation might be to “Vegas” him and have an extra D come playoff time when he’s healthy at no additional trade cost.

I know you really want to hate this deal but there’s not a lot of risk here.

 

[Stephen]

No, he needs to be an effective GM. Personally, I don't think the worst results in 14 years is worthy of praise.

No doubt. Trusting Dubas’ goalie tandem carried risk. He mitigated some of it by bringing Jones in as insurance but ultimately got burned by a Woll injury and a Samsonov blunder.

 

[notbias]

Ideally Hakanpaa is a Leaf and he plays 82 games and is a factor on D at $1.5 million AAV. If he’s really hurt and needs more time, the calculation might be to “Vegas” him and have an extra D come playoff time when he’s healthy at no additional trade cost.

I know you really want to hate this deal but there’s not a lot of risk here.

I don't hate the deal, it's fine, but I don't think you have an understanding of how the cap works.

We have an expensive #7 whoever it is (Benoit or Hakanpaa), that's the only complaint.

 

[Stephen]

I don't hate the deal, it's fine, but I don't think you have an understanding of how the cap works.

We have an expensive #7 whoever it is (Benoit or Hakanpaa), that's the only complaint.

Who says we keep Liljegren if Hakanpaa is healthy?

Also, Hakanpaa is what, $700K over league minimum? If that’s “expensive” we have bigger cap problems than what’s at the bottom of the roster.

 

[Dekes For Days]

No doubt. Trusting Dubas’ goalie tandem carried risk.

Treliving was the only one to go into a season with Samsonov/Woll as a tandem. But the goals against drop-off had a lot more to do with Treliving abandoning defense anyway.

 

[notbias]

Who says we keep Liljegren if Hakanpaa is healthy?

I think removing puck-moving D for unskilled D is not ideal when scoring goals is what we need, so if we trade Liljegren without getting a replacement back we have other issues.

Also, Hakanpaa is what, $700K over league minimum? If that’s “expensive” we have bigger cap problems than what’s at the bottom of the roster.

Benoit is likely the #7 so it is even less, it is not a big deal, but it's still more than I'd like to pay for a replacement player.

Reaves and Timmins might be two others who are in the pressbox, that is a lot of cap there.

No doubt. Trusting Dubas’ goalie tandem carried risk.

Samsanov was re-signed by Treliving, just FYI.

 

[Stephen]

Treliving was the only one to go into a season with Samsonov/Woll as a tandem. But the goals against drop-off had a lot more to do with Treliving abandoning defense anyway.

You’re right. He shouldn’t have trusted left over Dubas components.

 

[Stephen]

I think removing puck-moving D for unskilled D is not ideal when scoring goals is what we need, so if we trade Liljegren without getting a replacement back we have other issues.



Benoit is likely the #7 so it is even less, it is not a big deal, but it's still more than I'd like to pay for a replacement player.

Reaves and Timmins might be two others who are in the pressbox, that is a lot of cap there.



Samsanov was re-signed by Treliving, just FYI.

The good thing is he took Samsonov to arbitration and only signed him to a 1 year deal. I think most of us assumed Sammy had earned a longer term stay.

 

[Mess]

Who says we keep Liljegren if Hakanpaa is healthy?

Also, Hakanpaa is what, $700K over league minimum? If that’s “expensive” we have bigger cap problems than what’s at the bottom of the roster.

The Leafs now have Benoit ($1.35 mil) and Hakanpaa ($1.5 mil) as a 3rd pairing for $2.85 mil combined.

Remember when former Leafs management believed a $2 mil Justin Holl was untouchable and so vital and valuable to team success at that price point as a bottom pairing Dman, that they protected him in the expansion draft and gifted Seattle a 40 goal scorer in Jared McCann instead?

Boy have times changed ..The GM that thought that nonsense is now long gone, and Holl is barely an NHLer any longer playing only 38 games for Detroit while a healthy scratch for the rest, while for a mere $850K Leafs now have an entire bottom pairing locked up, that are big, and physical and defensive oriented.

What a breath of fresh air and movement in the right direction,

 

[Menzinger]

Who says we keep Liljegren if Hakanpaa is healthy?

I think if they were willing to give up Lily so easily the either would have been allowed to walk in free agency or traded earlier.

He's probably higher up in the front office depth chart than folks seem to think. They didn't just give him 6 million to dump him off so soon

 

[LeafSteel]

The good thing is he took Samsonov to arbitration and only signed him to a 1 year deal. I think most of us assumed Sammy had earned a longer term stay.

Agreed.

Dubas would have extended Samsonov on a stupid deal, much like he did for Jarry.

Picture a 5 year $27m contract being handed out Dubas to Samsonov.

Don’t forget we had a strong contribution in net from Dubas’ super great goalie addition Matt Murray. All praise Dubas, Amen.

JFC. I know there is an Ignore button, but this forum needs a Just Shut Up button for certain posters.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You’re right. He shouldn’t have trusted left over Dubas components.

Thank god we had leftover components like McCabe. What Treliving shouldn't have done was spend his 20m on players who don't know what defense means, and fail to address our injury/FA losses on defense.