Confirmed with Link: Leafs sign F Auston Matthews to extension (4 years, $13.25M AAV)

[leafs in five]

the hardmen here always did love Nonis. Bolland what a pickup, only cost a 2nd

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Personally IMO they didn’t do it because they don’t want/can’t handle the scrutiny of doing it. I’d say about 40% is about keeping the team competitive, 60% is about just having a peaceful life and not having a fan base/media in an uproar. That’s hockey players in a nutshell don’t want any attention brought to them.

So, in other words, they have concerns in life other than "just making as much money as possible and not caring about the consequences." I think there's a word for that...

This was the claim, right?

"The usual suspects will cling to a few remote exceptions to this rule and then try to act like what Matthews is doing is normal."

None of that is what i saw


Happy to answer questions, just not a fan of people stretching truths to make a point.

So why did they bring up Iginla and Marleau if not to try and normalize it? (You admit you saw the posts).

You've reduced this to semantics. I'm bored of it.

Do you want to address the rest of what I'm asking?

 

[Gabriel426]

That's an insult to many players who played their hearts out while leading the team to deep playoff runs and even a number of cups.

I am with you on that as when I head what ODogg said, I was like WTF. To me, Sundin is the greatest Leafs. Mainly bc I started watching in 90-91 season. I know some of the older players like Keon, Sittler ir Salming but didn’t get a chance to watch them play regularly.
To say that AM is greater than Sundin is a huge disrespect to Sundin.

 

[leafs in five]

You've reduced this to semantics.

 

[Dayjobdave]

It's pretty entertaining watching people lose their minds over this.
As an added bonus no one has wept about Game 3 vs Florida in 2 days!

I was all cried out after game 2...

 

[PromisedLand]

Now give 34 the C and let's see how this all ends.

There is only ONE person on this team who is TRULY deserving of the "C" and that is Morgan Rielly

 

[francis246]

So, in other words, they have concerns in life other than "just making as much money as possible and not caring about the consequences." I think there's a word for that...


So why did they bring up Iginla and Marleau if not to try and normalize it? (You admit you saw the posts).

You've reduced this to semantics. I'm bored of it.

Do you want to address the rest of what I'm asking?

No in other words they are scared to get paid what they are actually worth as an athlete because there are fans that are unreasonable and downright crazy.

This is just my opinion on the situation. I don’t know for sure, I don’t have inside knowledge. I think what Nathan MacKinnon did for his extension was a positive PR move for himself and helped his image with the fans. But I think it definitely pissed off a lot of the up and coming superstars including Matthews. I think you have some players who feel as a whole hockey players are underpaid in the world of athletes and want to be paid on par relative to their peers in other sports. I think Matthews is okay with being viewed as greedy or someone trying to buck the trend if it helps players in the future.

I guess there’s an argument to be made that Matthews in the larger scheme of things is appropriately paid and other guys such as McDavid, Draisaitl, Makar, McKinnon ect are underpaid relative to their true value as an athlete not as a player under the salary cap.

 

[Trapper]

Somewhere out there: Mitch Marner and his agent:

 

[Gallagbi]

So why did they bring up Iginla and Marleau if not to try and normalize it? (You admit you saw the posts).

You've reduced this to semantics. I'm bored of it.

Do you want to address the rest of what I'm asking

Marleau was literally a joke in the thread. A single person, who i wouldnt consider "usual suspected" posted the Iginla tweet for cap% purposes.

Not really semantics, you went on a rant and im asking if it was relevant or whether you stretched the truth

Happy to answer the question, but lets establish that complaint first.

 

[diceman934]

Over payment considered the term.
Sets up Marner for a big raise when he gets 120 points this year.

 

[666]

All of those arguments apply to Mack as well. And Pastrnak.

Why didn't they just do what Matthews did?

You know the answer.... you just don't want to say it.

You seem to be missing the risk that Matthews is taking if he were to get injured. Also he's got to perform for 4 years and then go through the process again. If Mack gets hurt or his performance declines due to a minor injury or age then he's set with his $100M. Matthews is certainly going to be paid more in the long run but he's also taking a very huge risk.

 

[leafs in five]

I wish they would make a Rick Vaive era throwback, I hate the veiny maple leaf patch and I hate laces on the collar.

 

[PromisedLand]

O-dog has sold out

 

[Throw More Waffles]

No in other words they are scared to get paid what they are actually worth as an athlete because there are fans that are unreasonable and downright crazy.

This is just my opinion on the situation. I don’t know for sure, I don’t have inside knowledge. I think what Nathan MacKinnon did for his extension was a positive PR move for himself and helped his image with the fans. But I think it definitely pissed off a lot of the up and coming superstars including Matthews. I think you have some players who feel as a whole hockey players are underpaid in the world of athletes and want to be paid on par relative to their peers in other sports. I think Matthews is okay with being viewed as greedy or someone trying to buck the trend if it helps players in the future.

I guess there’s an argument to be made that Matthews in the larger scheme of things is appropriately paid and other guys such as McDavid, Draisaitl, Makar, McKinnon ect are underpaid relative to their true value as an athlete not as a player under the salary cap.

And look how quick everyone has to change narratives.

So we've come to the acceptance phase that Matthews, in choosing this term structure, is getting overpaid in relation to all of his comparables.

So now the pivot is to "Yeah, but they all accept getting underpaid. Matthews is the only one getting paid properly."

If that post doesn't show the lengths people will go to change the facts to fit their narrative, then nothing will.

I guess we can now say that EVERY overpayment in hockey is really just "proper" pay and everyone else is "underpaid". Next level.

If Francis wasn't such a frequent poster here, I would have thought this was a parody post.

 

[leafs in five]

from what position is that a pivot?

 

[ACC1224]

For those losing their minds, how much is he now overpaid? 1? 3? 5 million?

 

[PromisedLand]

Pros:
Got a generational goal scorer locked up for 4 more years. 2 more years till Tavares contract is off the books leaving us with a 3 year window with that free cap space to build around Matthews.

We won't be paying for his 31-34 aged seasons and that's a good thing if you think Matthews will not be the same player at 31.

Cons:
He got a higher cap hit % than Mackinnon with less term. Mackinnon committed 8 years with a lower cap hit % and is the better player.

We didn't get 8 years - I know this can be a good and a bad thing. It's bad because with 8 years you can live with the backend of the deal being a bad contract like Tavares. Tavares isn't worth 11.5 million right now but he's still a productive player and you can live with those last 2 years. Who knows how the future looks but i think Matthews will still be productive at 31-34.

Overall i understand why Matthews did this. He wants to control his future. He took short term so he could redecide in 5 years if he wants to go somewhere else maybe a more glamorous city like LA or his hometown Coyotes lol. He also takes the risk if he gets hurt that he won't get another big deal. Risky but could work out.

In general, the way things work is you sign your home grown star to long term contract; and if in future things aren't looking up you deal them and get something back to help your rebuild.

With the new rules of "retention" in cap to make a deal that also helps in making the deal done.

With this, if Matthews walks in 5 years; Leafs would have nothing to recouperate, by trading him. Meanwhile, I am sure Leafs will continue to spend their picks for playoffs so the upcoming "rebuild" will be extremely painful when it didn't have to be.

Some examples just from past year
1) Patty Kane traded to Rangers
2) Tarasenko traded to Rangers
3) EK traded to Pens

As a GM one should have the foresight. I am pretty sure if Nylander and Marner were to sign they would be looking for high AAV and short term too with full NMC/NTC.

Matthews' contract structure/detail is not yet updated on cap friendly; but am pretty sure he would have gotten full NMC/NTC

 

[leafs in five]

whenever I see the screen name I always think of the waffles post about how Pastrnak continued to produce through a horrific personal tragedy but obviously this was expressed in the most crass terms and in the service of proving the objective undeniable fact that some player he hates is dramatically overpaid and man no one really does it like he does

 

[francis246]

And look how quick everyone has to change narratives.

So we've come to the acceptance phase that Matthews, in choosing this term structure, is getting overpaid in relation to all of his comparables.

So now the pivot is to "Yeah, but they all accept getting underpaid. Matthews is the only one getting paid properly."

If that post doesn't show the lengths people will go to change the facts to fit their narrative, then nothing will.

I guess we can now say that EVERY overpayment in hockey is really just "proper" pay and everyone else is "underpaid". Next level.

If Francis wasn't such a frequent poster here, I would have thought this was a parody post.

Are you okay? This has been a topic of conversation in hockey for years. Even Kipper and Bourne talked about it on their emergency podcast yesterday. Both echoed the same sentiments I did. Bournes exact words were “the McKinnon deal is a complete joke” .

And did I say everyone? I said there are superstars who are severely underpaid. IMO McDavid is not a $12million player, he is a 15, hell even 20 million player. The only reason he’s a $12 million player is because the NHL salary cap is so restrictive. I’m talking about the top 1% in the NHL being underpaid for what they bring as athletes.

McDavid, Draisaitl, Makar, Crosby (making 8 million is absurd and he even tried to restructure his deal, league won’t allow it). Even the fact that ELC’s are capped at 925,000 is stupid af. The whole point is all these players know is to take less, because that’s what is ingrained into them from junior.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

You seem to be missing the risk that Matthews is taking if he were to get injured. Also he's got to perform for 4 years and then go through the process again. If Mack gets hurt or his performance declines due to a minor injury or age then he's set with his $100M. Matthews is certainly going to be paid more in the long run but he's also taking a very huge risk.

None of that affects the leafs. If he gets injured and has to retire his contract is insured and doesn't count against the cap. There is no POSSIBLE gain for the leafs. It's bad for them no matter what. Matthews will almost assuredly make way more money than his direct comparables.

 

[Gabriel426]

No in other words they are scared to get paid what they are actually worth as an athlete because there are fans that are unreasonable and downright crazy.

This is just my opinion on the situation. I don’t know for sure, I don’t have inside knowledge. I think what Nathan MacKinnon did for his extension was a positive PR move for himself and helped his image with the fans. But I think it definitely pissed off a lot of the up and coming superstars including Matthews. I think you have some players who feel as a whole hockey players are underpaid in the world of athletes and want to be paid on par relative to their peers in other sports. I think Matthews is okay with being viewed as greedy or someone trying to buck the trend if it helps players in the future.

I guess there’s an argument to be made that Matthews in the larger scheme of things is appropriately paid and other guys such as McDavid, Draisaitl, Makar, McKinnon ect are underpaid relative to their true value as an athlete not as a player under the salary cap.

Thats a real stretch that players are scared to get paid what they are worth. Didn't Hagel just signed for 6.5mil and 8 yrs with only ONE 60pts or more season. Dont think Hagel was afraid to get paid. Foligno and Perry both signed for 4mil, don't think they were afraid to ask, although the circumstances are different in their cases.

1. Considering half the teams are in the red and even got a team who can't even pay rent and is playing in a college rink, the League is not making money.
2. When the League is not bringing in money like the NBA, MLB and NFL, NHL players can't demand to get paid like those three leagues. BC the league just dont generate the revenue. IF the league generate more revenue, the players will get paid more.
3. Your speculations on both Mack and AM are just something I have to disagree with and frankly, I have not seen anyone will think this way. What you are saying is that Mack is the villain for the other players and AM is the HERO. It could simply be that Mack is good with 12.6mil for 8 yrs bc thats what he thinks he is worth while AM thinks he is at 13.25mil for 4 yrs and would not go a penny less.

AM is overpaid but not by 2-3mil rather by just 700k based on McD signing a max contract today and McD is at least 25% better than AM in terms of productions in regular season, playoffs and individual awards.
Put it this way, if AM signed for 8 yrs, at least I will think it is a good deal. But for only 4 yrs, it is a deal. Nothing to sing praises about.

 

[leafs in five]

In general, the way things work is you sign your home grown star to long term contract; and if in future things aren't looking up you deal them and get something back to help your rebuild.

With the new rules of "retention" in cap to make a deal that also helps in making the deal done.

With this, if Matthews walks in 5 years; Leafs would have nothing to recouperate, by trading him. Meanwhile, I am sure Leafs will continue to spend their picks for playoffs so the upcoming "rebuild" will be extremely painful when it didn't have to be.

Some examples just from past year
1) Patty Kane traded to Rangers
2) Tarasenko traded to Rangers
3) EK traded to Pens

As a GM one should have the foresight. I am pretty sure if Nylander and Marner were to sign they would be looking for high AAV and short term too with full NMC/NTC.

Matthews' contract structure/detail is not yet updated on cap friendly; but am pretty sure he would have gotten full NMC/NTC

Kane and EK both had a full NMC, Tarasenko NTC

 

[PromisedLand]

Kane and EK both had a full NMC, Tarasenko NTC

Were the dealt? yes or no? did they return something to their team to help their rebuild? yes or no?

 

[Gabriel426]

Are you okay? This has been a topic of conversation in hockey for years. Even Kipper and Bourne talked about it on their emergency podcast yesterday. Both echoed the same sentiments I did. Bournes exact words were “the McKinnon deal is a complete joke” .

And did I say everyone? I said there are superstars who are severely underpaid. IMO McDavid is not a $12million player, he is a 15, hell even 20 million player. The only reason he’s a $12 million player is because the NHL salary cap is so restrictive. I’m talking about the top 1% in the NHL being underpaid for what they bring as athletes.

McDavid, Draisaitl, Makar, Crosby (making 8 million is absurd and he even tried to restructure his deal, league won’t allow it). Even the fact that ELC’s are capped at 925,000 is stupid af. The whole point is all these players know is to take less, because that’s what is ingrained into them from junior.

The cap is based on revenue generated by the league.
It is what it is. The highest paid Rugby player in the World makes about 2.5mil a yr. Bc thats how much those leagues generate.
Kind of like the highest paid garbage man will also be paid a lot less than the highest paid Heart Surgeon. While some idiot posting stupid pranks on youtube, tiktok and such are making millions.

It is not about fair or not but how much do the sports generate and players are paid according to that.

 

[al secord]

What must be missing in your life to have a complete meltdown over this deal.

It's sad, yet slightly amusing.