I think Tre understands the difference between the franchise C and top line RW. Matthews had ALL the leverage in this deal, full NMC, he could've walked to UFA and got the maximum amount of money possible. Everyone was saying 13.5M, we got him at 13.25. Given the situation Dubas left for him, I think he did a phenomenal job here by avoiding UFA.
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No, it happened across two years, and while his overall points were up in his MVP season, his play in the covid shortened year was very similar / close. He accumulated assists better in his MVP season which could be due to a number of factors.
The North division wasn't a bad division and deserves no more of an asterisk than any other division did. Also worth note, McDavid (who Matthews was runner-up to for the Hart & Ted Lindsay) played in the same division.
Points per game IS actual production. It is just normalized for the context of understanding a few games were missed. There is no extrapolation of points based on that pace. It just tells you at what rate they actually produced points. I'm with you on expected goals - I don't care about that stuff.
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Dubas left Marner with a full NMC for the last two years of his deal so he can walk to UFA as well. Let's hope Tre has more backbone than Dubas had when it comes to dealing with Mitch and his camp.
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Connor McDavid turned that 3 year ELC contract into an 8 year @ $100 mil contract with an AAV of $12.5 mil.
Auston Matthews turned that 3 year ELC contract into 5 years @ $58.195 mil [$11.634 mil AAV] +3 more years @ $39.75 mil [$13.25 mil AAV] = 8 years @ $ 97.945 mil [avg AAV = $12.24 mil]
By signing short-term, high AAV contracts, Matthews will likely go down as one of the highest-paid stars in the game for his generation. Once this extension comes to its conclusion, Matthews will have made a touch over $122MM altogether, before he even hits 31 years old.
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Marner will have the same leverage…I’ll be shocked if he takes less than $12 million or longer than 4 years…I guess that’s a debate for next summer haha
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Marner will do 8 years with a slight raise, IMO.
Agreed I don’t think Marner is going to put himself through what he went through last time. I think we’ll see Marner at 8 years 11.25 or 11.5. About a million dollar, million and a half raise full trade and movement protection.
Yeah, I think Marner will mimic more Rielly on his next deal than Mathews.
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I could be wrong but I don’t have the feeling that Marner possesses the same level of prestige and leverage Matthews held in his negotiations.
For all he does I don’t think he has that era defining quality Matthews possesses. I know he thinks it’s Batman and Batman. But it’s just not.
If it doesn’t work out Rantanen and Draisaitl are also headed to free agency that summer. And the Tavares money is off the books too. Leafs have a lot of flexibility.
LOL why do you do this!? Don’t you get tired of posting things out of context. Matthews has won other awards since that time increasing his value including two rockets and a hart trophy and how many NHL all-star team awards.
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The real mistake was the 1st post-ELC contract by Dubas. I won't blame Treliving for this one cause he had no leverage.
My only concern (as I have mentioned before) is the cap hit at that term. The cap hit is fine if he signed for a 6-8 year term. The longer-term deal now would have been better than doing it when he's 29-30 (the age he can re-sign another extension).
A 29-year-old Matthews will take the Leafs to the cleaners and sign a proper retirement contract taking him to 37-38. The Leafs will be greedy for the 2-3 years of prime hockey left and give him whatever he wants again.
Regardless, when McDavid signs, a 13.25 cap hit will look far more reasonable than it does right now.
McDavid will sign when the cap is around 92M. So his current 16.67% cap hit is going to be approximately 15.3M per year.
My only concern (as I have mentioned before) is the cap hit at that term. The cap hit is fine if he signed for a 6-8 year term. The longer-term deal now would have been better than doing it when he's 29-30 (the age he can re-sign another extension).
A 29-year-old Matthews will take the Leafs to the cleaners and sign a proper retirement contract taking him to 37-38. The Leafs will be greedy for the 2-3 years of prime hockey left and give him whatever he wants again.
Regardless, when McDavid signs, a 13.25 cap hit will look far more reasonable than it does right now.
McDavid will sign when the cap is around 92M. So his current 16.67% cap hit is going to be approximately 15.3M per year.
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It may be Batman and Batman, but one of them is Clooney Batman ;-)
Can you imagine Rantanen, Knies and Matthews on a line?
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Hopefully we'll be the ones signing McDavid for 15.3, we'll move Matthews to free up the cap space, fill other holes on the roster and some other team can sign Matthews to a retirement contract. )
If we signed McDavid. I'd wanna see them together at least for a bit lol
What is Matthews' goalscoring ceiling with McDavid on his line? lol
What is Matthews' goalscoring ceiling with McDavid on his line? lol
Yeah, I think the Matthews deal sets the bar here, and it should be, *hopefully*, an easier negotiation.
He's not going to get Matthews money. Matthews' got a $1.5 million raise. So working within those parameters, I'd expect him to get no more than $12 to $12.5 million tops.
Hometown kid. Favourite team growing up. Recently married. Subject to some trade rumours that likely didn't sit well with him and may want to quell to show his commitment to the team and city.
8 years at $100 million (the higher amount bridged with the cap rising), and everyone comes away happy.
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Regardless of the relentless spin we're seeing in this thread, the simple truth is Matthews is taking these short term contracts to squeeze every single solitary last penny out of the the Maple Leafs. The honest truth is that every other super star player could also do this. Pasta could have signed for way more than 11 mil on a 4 year contract. MacK could have signed way WAY more than he did on a 4 year contract. But they didn't. They understand it's a capped league and what fighting for every penny would do to the teams competitiveness. For the precedent it would set when other star teammates need a new contract. And that's because almost every other star player in the league gave at the very least a semblance of compromise between what they wanted and what the team wanted and would benefit from.
Of course, the usual suspects will cling to a few remote exceptions to this rule and then try to act like what Matthews is doing is normal.
But it's not normal. This level of selfishness is not normal. Matthews is now a very... VERY... rare exception in the nhl as a player not willing to give ANY consideration to what's best for the team. Like, none. It's JUST him.
I honestly don't know how it can be called anything other than pure vile greed.
Of course, the usual suspects will cling to a few remote exceptions to this rule and then try to act like what Matthews is doing is normal.
But it's not normal. This level of selfishness is not normal. Matthews is now a very... VERY... rare exception in the nhl as a player not willing to give ANY consideration to what's best for the team. Like, none. It's JUST him.
I honestly don't know how it can be called anything other than pure vile greed.
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I’ve talked to three and we’re all in agreement that Treliving has given himself a short leash to fix this team.
TB, Bos, Ottawa, Buffalo and Detroit are not going sit idly by.
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I like the way you think. McDavid always seems like he's keeping that door open just in case.
They could easily build around Matthews, McDavid, and one of Marner/Nylander.
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The deal is not terrible. Its not team friendly. Its also not the worst it could have been. 800k to 1m over.
I like the way you think. McDavid always seems like he's keeping that door open just in case.
They could easily build around Matthews, McDavid, and one of Marner/Nylander.
If we have Matthews and McDavid. We dont need either Ny or Marner. Support will want to come here at a discount from the FA pool.
I’ve talked to my 2 cats and we’re all in agreement our team are a bunch of p***yes….
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I’ve talked to my 2 cats and we’re all in agreement our team are a bunch of p***yes….
My friends cats told him they dont want to be associated with them.
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THe dollars are fine, but the term concerns me.
If they were a contending team it would be terrific but I can’t see that D winning 2 or 3 rounds.
The good thing is they will have money to spend but who will they spend it on? When you need a 1, 3,4 it’s not real easy to find in one year. By the time that’s fixed, there will be other holes, such as 2C.
Maybe I’m wrong but that D was a disaster in the playoffs.
Bro have you seen what Yzerman is doing, they're absolutely going to sit idly by. TB and Boston are going into a decline, it's a natural part of sports, Buffalo and Ottawa will likely take their spots within 2 years time.
TB is getting older, Kuch won't be elite into his late 30's, Hedman is slowing down, Stamkos has slowed down a lot like in JT territory, Vasi has been average the last 2 years.
Boston will need a miracle, they lost Bergeron there's no replacing a guy like him. Krejci retired as well and we took Bertuzzi from them.
The team I'm most worried about is Buffalo, Dahlin looks like the player he was projected to be, Thompson is a monster, then they have Cozens and Power as well. They will be a verrrry good team, probably starting this season. Ottawa is on the rise as well. I think Buffalo takes Bostons spot this year, and the following year Ottawa leaps Tampa.
