Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose.

[rdogg]

Man I wish I was dead

 

[93LEAFS]

Man I wish I was dead

This is just our purgatory to eventually get to heaven (a cup win). As a pessimistic optimist would say.

Don't confuse yourself we are in hell.

 

[Teeder Keon]

But your bald

And beautiful I am

 

[IPS]

The series itself is the highest penalized, thanks in large part to the theatrics of the first two games.

None of it is an excuse.

I simply don't care at this point.

Control your stick.

The amount of stick infractions the Leafs are taking is ridiculous, and that plays into it.

Was the first high stick a call? No, but the ref saw it at an angle.

The second was.

Deal with it.

Win the f***ing game.

We killed a five minute penalty game one, why are we taking a 2nd high stick penalty 200 feet away from the net.

Ask that.

And then ask why we go down 2-0 to start the game again.

Leafs have gotten 18 minor penalties in the last 3 games. Lightning have gotten 12.

And which high sticking penalty are you talking about? The one where Hedman hooks Kerfoot's stick into his own face?

You're free to have your own opinion but you sure don't understand much.

Not only are they THE most penalized team in the playoffs this year, they have the most penalty minutes of any playoff team since 2015.

It's just human error bro!!!

 

[Bomber0104]

Leafs have gotten 18 minor penalties in the last 3 games. Lightning have gotten 12.

And which high sticking penalty are you talking about? The one where Hedman hooks Kerfoot's stick into his own face?

You're free to have your own opinion but you sure don't understand much.

"Hooking a stick"?

What in the hell are you talking about?

Every player is responsible for their own stick, literally written in the rule-book...

If you hit another player in the face with your stick, it gets called.

You can be a little baby about it all you want, I really hope the Leafs aren't...

 

[93LEAFS]

Leafs have gotten 18 minor penalties in the last 3 games. Lightning have gotten 12.

And which high sticking penalty are you talking about? The one where Hedman hooks Kerfoot's stick into his own face?

You're free to have your own opinion but you sure don't understand much.


It's just human error bro!!!

Honest question. I think reffingleague wide is completely incompetent. But, what reasons does the NHL have to screw us? If it was the Rangers, Kings, Hawks or Bruins, I could see the point.

And, I'm just as pissed about the calls. But, maybe I'm trusting, but we are long ways from incompetence to conspiracy in my mind. I say this as a die hard leafs fan.

 

[Bomber0104]

NHL Rule #60.2​

NHL Rule #60.2 states that a minor penalty for High Sticking is called when the stick of a player makes contact with a player above the height of the shoulders. A minor penalty of two minutes will be assessed to the player responsible.

NHL Rulebook Text​

“A “high stick” is one which is carried above the height of the opponent’s shoulders. Players must be in control and responsible for their sticks. However, a player is permitted accidental contact on an opponent if the act is committed as a normal wind up or follow through of a shooting motion, or accidental contact on the opposing center who is bent over during the course of a face-off. A wild swing at a bouncing puck would not be considered a normal wind up or follow through and any contact with an opponent above the height of the shoulders shall be penalized accordingly.”

NHL Rule #60.4​

NHL Rule 60.4 discusses match penalties. Sometimes a match penalty can be assessed for High-Sticking. In the opinion of the referee determines that a player used his stick to intentionally injure a player of the opposing team, the referee will issue a match penalty to the offending player, which results in them not being able to play for the rest of the game.

NHL Rulebook Text​

“When, in the opinion of the Referee, a player attempts to or deliberately injures an opponent while carrying or holding any part of his stick above the shoulders of the opponent, the Referee shall assess a match penalty to the offending player.”

 

[IPS]

Honest question. I think reffingleague wide is completely incompetent. But, what reasons does the NHL have to screw us? If it was the Rangers, Kings, Hawks or Bruins, I could see the point.

And, I'm just as pissed about the calls. But, maybe I'm trusting, but we are long ways from incompetence to conspiracy in my mind. I say this as a die hard leafs fan.

Who's saying anything about a conspiracy? The facts are the facts - the Leafs are the most penalized playoff team in 6 years.

 

[93LEAFS]

Who's saying anything about a conspiracy? The facts are the facts - the Leafs are the most penalized playoff team in 6 years.

It seems the argument is there is an unjust amount of penalties called against us rooted in something exceeding the games.

Love the team, but I don't like this grassy knoll level of fandom.

 

[Bomber0104]

Who's saying anything about a conspiracy? The facts are the facts - the Leafs are the most penalized playoff team in 6 years.

62 minutes handed out in the first game alone to the Leafs from Clifford and Simmonds' clown show they pulled.

Your stat means literally nothing.

The Leafs just can't close it out and you're grasping for excuses, typically..

 

[IPS]

It seems the argument is there is an unjust amount of penalties called against us rooted in something exceeding the games.

Love the team, but I don't like this grassy knoll level of fandom.

The facts are the facts and you can discuss the motives all you like after. That's usually how it goes.

The facts are that the "soft and not built for the playoffs" Leafs have somehow become the most penalized team of the playoffs in the last 6 years.

 

[93LEAFS]

The facts are the facts and you can discuss the motives all you like after. That's usually how it goes.

The facts are that the "soft and not built for the playoffs" Leafs have somehow become the most penalized team of the playoffs in the last 6 years.

Okay, why do you think we get a power play disadvantage? Simple question.

 

[leafsfan5]

Some positivity: John Tavares played about as good a game I've seen him play in years. He was an absolute beast tonight

Hopefully that carries over to game 7

 

[Kurtz]

I'm inclined to believe that the refs are simply incompetent rather than having an agenda. Those weren't obvious calls - just a shame that they continue to go against us. Alas, Tampa is good at diving and does it aplenty, where as our guys don't dive (maybe Bunting).

Anyway, game 7 should have an epic crowd - if we win I really think we can get to the finals. I think we're the (slightly) better team of the two, and Matthews+Marner should be more effective away from Tampa's checking line.

 

[IPS]

Okay, why do you think we get a power play disadvantage? Simple question.

My theory: The Leafs are the league's ATM machine and are being used to prop up American teams. NHL is a business and this market has been capped out for years and the loyalty of the fanbase has been pushed to the limit and it cashes out every time. Makes more sense business-wise to use your most reliable asset to build prospective assets.

I can only give you my opinion. But the series of events this year going from Spezza and Matthews' suspensions in the regular season to us becoming the most penalized teams in the playoffs is strongly supporting the evidence of a league bias against Toronto. Too many things have happened for it to be attributed to "human error".

 

[93LEAFS]

My theory: The Leafs are the league's ATM machine and are being used to prop up American teams. NHL is a business and this market has been capped out for years and the loyalty of the fanbase has been pushed to the limit and it cashes out every time. Makes more sense business-wise to use your most reliable asset to build prospective assets.

I can only give you my opinion. But the series of events this year going from Spezza and Matthews' suspensions in the regular season to us becoming the most penalized teams in the playoffs is strongly supporting the evidence of a league bias against Toronto. Too many things have happened for it to be attributed to "human error".

My opinion. The Leafs going to the finals and beating any team that isn't the Bruins, Blackhawks, Kings or Rangers outweighs any of them. To blow that type of cash cow vs Habs/Blue Jackets/ Lightning makes no financial sense at all.

 

[Bomber0104]

The facts are the facts and you can discuss the motives all you like after. That's usually how it goes.

The facts are that the "soft and not built for the playoffs" Leafs have somehow become the most penalized team of the playoffs in the last 6 years.

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62 penalty minutes with four misconducts in one game surely helped factor into that.

"Facts are the facts!!"

 

[DanM]

I just f***ing hate Tampa. I want to see every clown on that team lose and GTFO of Toronto.

 

[IPS]

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62 penalty minutes in one game surely helped factor into that.

"Facts are facts"

Yes, we had a good officiated game in game 3 and then we went on to lead the playoffs in minor penalties the next 3 games.

 

[Superstar]

My theory: The Leafs are the league's ATM machine and are being used to prop up American teams. NHL is a business and this market has been capped out for years and the loyalty of the fanbase has been pushed to the limit and it cashes out every time. Makes more sense business-wise to use your most reliable asset to build prospective assets.

I can only give you my opinion. But the series of events this year going from Spezza and Matthews' suspensions in the regular season to us becoming the most penalized teams in the playoffs is strongly supporting the evidence of a league bias against Toronto. Too many things have happened for it to be attributed to "human error".

The body of work is just overwhelming to rule out coincidence, it is statistically significant...Leafs are at the bottom of the heap with many non-play off teams in drawing penalties the last 5 years despite being a good team...and that laundry list of Leaf players getting suspensions going back to someone like Carter Ashton when other players only get fines or nothing is hysterical. Don't forget, 2 of the Lightning's penalties in this series were for too-many-men, so refs had no choice except to call it, otherwise, the disparity would be even greater.

 

[IPS]

My opinion. The Leafs going to the finals and beating any team that isn't the Bruins, Blackhawks, Kings or Rangers outweighs any of them. To blow that type of cash cow vs Habs/Blue Jackets/ Lightning makes no financial sense at all.

IMO what outweighs any of them is having a booming hockey market in the 3rd most populous state in America where the market is largely untapped. Successful businesses think long term, not short term.

 

[Bomber0104]

Yes, we had a good officiated game in game 3 and then we went straight back to leading the playoffs in minor penalties the next 3 games.

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Every game is being called this way these playoffs.

Your little soapbox talking point of being "the most penalized team" clearly fell apart once you factored in the clown show we saw in Game One...

Glad you acknowledged at least that much but it's all just defeatist / loser-mentality whining at the end of the day, and again, I truly hope our players hold a much more mature and stronger attitude than you.

That's what winners do at the end of the day.

Even if there is some small amount of adversity to face (like a few minor penalties to kill), they win in spite of it.

 

[IPS]

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Every game is being called this way these playoffs.

Your little talking point of being "the most penalized team" clearly fell apart once you factored in the clown show we saw in Game One.

It's just whining, and again, I truly hope our players hold a much more mature and stronger attitude than you.

We've been through a very similar clown show against Boston in 2018 and 2019 and the standards were nowhere near the same.

And holy god man it's a discussion on the internet. You are so obssessed with trying to throw insults at me. Is it imperative that you act like a 14 year old school bully?

Edit: And what do you seriously think we're the only one to have a little bit of a clown show to start our series off int he last 6 years? Lots of teams have similar showdowns all the time.

 

[93LEAFS]

IMO what outweighs any of them is having a booming hockey market in the 3rd most populous state in America where the market is largely untapped. Successful businesses think long term, not short term.

Then Florida should be seeing the same level of advantage. Tampa is Ottawa compared to Toronto's Miami.

I get the anger and disappointment. But, I ain't going for conspiracies against us. It sucks that a garbage call probably cost us the game. But, there needs to be more logic behind it.

 

[Azazel]

Okay, why do you think we get a power play disadvantage? Simple question.

Im more the conspiracy guy. My reasons are numerous, but mostly its money. TV deals come with full arenas. Hockey has always been a hard sell south of the border. So you come down harder on canadian teams.

Why the Leafs more? Because you can. 99% of leagues fans love when the Leafs get suspended, and Leafs fans that get upset? Just conspiracy nuts, or homer glasses.

Now as for personal reasons there are many of those as well. Shanahan apparently made some enemies in head office when he was DOPS.
I haven't even started on the insane number of conflicts of interest the league does absolutely nothing about.
And as far as a conspiracy this isn't exactly hard to pull off. Walkom is the director of officiating. He hires and fires the refs. Theres an entire court case online with emails between Campbell and Walkom with Campbell directing him on how the League wants calls. One of the officials who didnt tow the line was fired.
The league has admitted to game management. How far of a stretch is it really to go to influencing games through officials?