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LeafLoyalist said:
We just lying to ourselves if we keep saying 'they should have won', as an excuse that we are better, but it's a game that you must be disciplined and patient, Leafs were not. It's not about the goals not scored, it's about the goals against and the mistakes that go into those goals. They appeared in the playoffs last year, and will continue to do so unless they address it.
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Is your expectation that the Leafs would continue with their 15-2 streak? That's lying to yourself. There are ebbs and flows to every season and we're seeing a bit of a down cycle now, it's to be expected. If you think the team is not trying to address the goals against, you're not paying attention to the results, nor the schedule. We're not a tire fire, this isn't an 18 wheeler off a cliff.

Some people, sigh.
 
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The Leaf defense somehow has gotten a little bit consumed with pinching and scoring. Thinking too much about offense than defense. Seems logical given the streak they've been on. Hopefully, reality will set back in and they'll take care of business in their own end like they had been doing very well. Not fair to leave Campbell to his own devices. I'm not too concerned. They just got carried away with their offensive greatness.
 
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LeafLoyalist said:
Let's put this in perspective;
Marner - Top 10 forward in the League Offensively
Sandin - no ranking that we could even consider ...2nd pair D
Dermott - 3rd pair D easily replaced
Mikheyev - maybe solid 3rd liner
Spezza - 4th liner and faceoff specialist
Mrazek - no factor in this game at all

Kucherov - top 3 player in the league and a former Hart Trophy winner
Point - top 10 forward in the league offensively
Cirelli - top 5 defensive forward in the league
Cernak - top 10 defense shutdown in the league 2nd pair D

Do you still think Toronto was more handcuffed than Tampa? And Keefe had last change. Tampa had 5 rookies in their lineup and Nash played his first game after being claimed off waivers.

Let's face it, Toronto has the most giveaways in the league (304), Tampa (127), Muzzin has the most, Reilly 8th in the league Tavares13th in the league. When you turnover the puck that much you better have some great Defenceman and a solid goalie to cover those mistakes. Clearly a problem that was very apparent last night. You can give up shots, but odd man rushes, clear scoring chances are hard to cover night in and out. Tampa played a smart away game, yes they gave up shots, but none were as dangerous as the ones given up by Toronto.
Leafs have to clean up their act, or history repeats itself.
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Ha, I never said anything about more handcuffed.
In fact I only posted 6 player names and nothing else.

If you wanted to do a research project how about comparing the level of the replacement player vs the player lost vs additional minutes played by others players who were boosted up in the pecking order.
That would be of interest. I will watch for it :)
 
Gallagbi said:
Honestly Muzzin is as much of the problem lately. They're both moving and thinking way too slow.
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YUP, and last night was a perfect example on a couple goals. That Holl is a horrible D partner.

Muzzin gave the puck away and Holl played what turned into a 2 on 1, like a 1 on 1, and the TB player centred the puck and boom -1
1st 3 goals against were Holl and Muzzin, with 2 of the goals preventable with a NHL level play from Holl.
 
Notsince67 said:
Matthews has had 2 points at even strength since Marner's injury. His expected gf% has dropped at a pretty good clip. You are just lying. If it wasnt for some decent powerplays, Matthews point total would be down. To argue that Matthews is better without Marner is high-end trolling and I know you wouldn't want to be involved in that. You have always been sensible.
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yep im the troll responding in the same manner that your initial post was. your trying to convince everyone that essentially the team cant win without Marner (in multiple threads) and im pointing out that i disagree.... losing Marner is losing 11 million in cap space, which may be the more important issue. Which is why i pounyer out Marner is only on a 20 g 71 point pace (typically 11 million dollar players are expected to produce at a much higher clip). Also we are without Spezza and Sandin - who also effect our ability to win. Also pointed out a fact that Matthews is actually producing at a better clip without Marner and the old argument was that Marner was boosting up Matthews and not visa versa. Also the PP has been doing pretty great without Marner who factually is not a threat as a shooter.
 
Niagara Bill said:
I do not dislike Marner, but his failure to play at 10.5m$ level hurts this team and all I want to do is win.
Pay equal to Nylander is closer to value. When he is allowed by the other team to play like he is the best player in a peewee league he is awesome. Unfortunately good teams play like men,
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I didn't wanna reply to this but my guy, Marner didn't even play against Tampa. What does he have to do with the PGT ? We didn't lose because of a guy who didn't play. Or if this is another I wanna complain about Marners contract post, this is the wrong thread.
 
AvroArrow said:
I didn't wanna reply to this but my guy, Marner didn't even play against Tampa. What does he have to do with the PGT ? We didn't lose because of a guy who didn't play. Or if this is another I wanna complain about Marners contract post, this is the wrong thread.
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Marner is exactly the type of player you need to beat the Lightning. Match skill with skill.
 
It's always hard to grade a game like last night. On one hand, 9 times out of 10 Tampa, or any other team, doesn't convert as efficiently on the mistakes. On the other hand, maybe Tampa plays a little harder and applies more pressure if they don't get those relatively easy goals and win anyway and look a lot better doing it.

I'd guess neither team is too happy with their play last night. Common in an 82 game season.
 
We win that game far more often than we lose it so no big deal. Bolts were opportunistic to a degree not often realized.
I definitely prefer Lilly over Holl with Muzzin so that could be a silver lining from the loss.
 
zeke said:
I don't think describing the game accurately is lying to ourselves.
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Fair enough, but ignoring the fact they made 'glaring mistakes' as to the reason why they 'lost' is lying to ourselves to believe they should have won. the game is 60 minutes and won on outscoring the other team, no more participation awards.
 
meefer said:
Is your expectation that the Leafs would continue with their 15-2 streak? That's lying to yourself. There are ebbs and flows to every season and we're seeing a bit of a down cycle now, it's to be expected. If you think the team is not trying to address the goals against, you're not paying attention to the results, nor the schedule. We're not a tire fire, this isn't an 18 wheeler off a cliff.

Some people, sigh.
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No definitely not expecting them to run at that pace. What I was trying to outline is the glaring mistakes which cost them the game last night, which is a problem that is more pronounced when facing a team that can make you pay. Leafs are still the top team for Giveaways, and more than double than Tampa. Tampa has not been good this year and yet after our 15-2 run, they are tied with the Leafs and 2 games in hand. And they are missing their best skilled player and former Hart trophy winner, and their no.1center, top5 defensive forward in the league, and 2nd pair shutdown D. And i agree they have been trying to address it, but last night should have been a test to prove how far they have come, but they failed again. Fix it or same results in playoffs. Not going off a cliff, just making an observation and analysis
 
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The Iceman said:
YUP, and last night was a perfect example on a couple goals. That Holl is a horrible D partner.

Muzzin gave the puck away and Holl played what turned into a 2 on 1, like a 1 on 1, and the TB player centred the puck and boom -1
1st 3 goals against were Holl and Muzzin, with 2 of the goals preventable with a NHL level play from Holl.
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Holl mucks up the first 3on1 after a brutal turnover from Muzzin. Poorly played, and should have never occurred

Muzzin/Kase are the culprits on goal 2. Holl is caught in no man's land because of the bad turnover, but really he shouldn't be higher than he was and lower doesn't help.

Third goal is another Muzzin miscues causing an unnecessary odd man rush. Holl plays this much better, forces a bad pass buying time for a back check. Unfortunately that time is used to chip it in our own net.

Holl had some other turnovers that didn't end up in our net, so by no means a good night, but Muzz was as bad if not worse on the goals
 
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The Iceman said:
Ha, I never said anything about more handcuffed.
In fact I only posted 6 player names and nothing else.

If you wanted to do a research project how about comparing the level of the replacement player vs the player lost vs additional minutes played by others players who were boosted up in the pecking order.
That would be of interest. I will watch for it :)
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Yes you're right, my bad for assuming. Thought I would just put it in perspective as to the caliber of player each team lost for the game.

Nahhh, i hate projects:), but if you'd like to please go ahead would be an interesting analysis TBH.
 
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