Meh i dont care for regular season games anymore
Start the playoff already see what we got
Start the playoff already see what we got
Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose in the Marathon
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If he does it too much then he will lose da room and his job ..
Stephen
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I’m as hard on the Leafs as anyone but that didn’t strike me as an meltdown due to mental fragility. Could they have been way better in lockdown mode? Yes. Did they fall into the trap of a big lead that they allowed to slip through their fingers? Yes. But the flub by the rookie goalie on the PP, having a cold back up come in, and all seem like unusual fire drill items than a big team bed wet. Toss in the usual game management on the Clifford slash to finish it off.
They looked mentally fatigued as the game wore on and it turned into a track meet. They also had enough fight to take it to OT with zero momentum and almost won it if not for a bad hook.
I think that game was a burn the tape game by the time it hit 5-4 so let’s see how they regroup vs Dallas. If they’re a tire fire then I’ll be happy to criticize.
therealkoho
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Huberdeau is 4 points behind him atm
Florida has 12 gms remaining Edmonton has 11
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Buds17
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While I fully understand the competitive nature of this back-to-back in particular, my first instinct would be to feel rather nervous about the goaltending situation beyond Campbell if he's the team's best option to start both of these games.
zeke
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maybe - but I don't think there's a back up goalie in the league you want to start against the best offense in the league on the back end of a back to back and 3 in 4 if you actually care about winning the game.
Rielly really needs to get his shit together defensively. He’s been a complete non factor in disrupting plays in his own end. Points are great, but the defensive reads he makes are never good ones. Always caught puck watching, not tieing up his guy, leaving him in no man’s land where he resorts to laying his stick flat on the ice and having the puck go right through him.
therealkoho
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according to the game thread the Leafs were out of it after the Cats went up 1-0 on Reinhart's goal
admittedly Holl should have had Reinharts stick tied up, but Muzzin totally mis-played it and should have never allowed Barkov to so easily set up and get the pass across
on the 5th goal Marner was actually hounding a puck and would've probably had another short-handed break-away had Barkov not clearly tripped him allowing the Panthers to recover the loose puck.
therealkoho
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therealkoho
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He has gotten much better in his reads over da years .. look he is never gonna be a top end 2 way defense .. his game will always be his skating ability and some offensive contributions .. he is not a strong guy so he can't play a tougher nosed defensive game .. he needs to be matched with a Lub who brings those skills to da table .. pick up loose pucks and go
Really isn’t my problem that you have a man/woman crush on a sh*t hockey player.
Dermott had the same defenders up until the day he was traded. Like Dermott, Holl doesn’t do anything at a high level. With how deep this defense is, he doesn’t deserve a spot in the lineup over Lyubushkin or Liljegren. I honestly prefer Dermott because he could at least skate well. Both panic with the puck on their sticks and don’t make up for it defensively.
Just have to learn something from this game. That's all I ask. 2 completely brain dead plays that give FLA life, and the game goes from a runaway to a nail biter.
1. The too many men call after a TJ Brodie breakaway is flat out inexcusable. I know Keefe loosely shifted blame on his team last time this happened, saying they needed to clean it up. I think he needs to look in the mirror a bit. When you juggle the lines in game as frequently as Sheldon does, there is almost zero way that can happen without the coach calling the lines. You've heard stories about guys like Scotty Bowman basically not calling a single line throughout the entirety of the game, but I have a very very hard time believing with the amount of movement we see night to night and shift to shift that this would be the case in TOR. The too many men calls need to end yesterday. It's unacceptable, and it was directly the reason FLA felt like they had a chance in that game being down 4 with 30mins to play.
2. Goal 3, I don't even know what to f***ing say about that TBH. That was the most elongated wind up for a slapshot I think I've seen in a while. I have absolutely no clue how that gets past Kallgren. It needs to be stopped. Unacceptable.
The rest is what it is. We chased the game from that point on.
Like every time we've stumbled in the playoffs before, it's the mistakes we are making that cost us games. When the score was 5-3, immediately after the Gudas goal, and Matthews tries to dance the FLA player at the far blue line and then a subsequent Willy hook in recovery. It wiped away a man advantage that could have restored a 3 goal lead, and more importantly take the momentum out of the building. Even if we didn't eventually score on that PP, it works as a timeout essentially by the fact that 1 extra minute would have passed since that awful Gudas goal. When you have 5 on the board, you really don't need to be pressing for more. Make the simple plays.
I am generally an advocate of Sheldon Keefe, but last night has to go down as his worst coaching performance in a long long time. The Muzzin-Holl pairing was on the ice for 5 goals I believe, with Holl failing to tie up a stick in front of the net on I believe 3 of the goals. Truly mind numbing that he went back to that pairing after all of the data to support it no longer works. Above that, I have zero clue why he decided to sit Lybushkin. Just an all world f*** up of the lineup card from the hop.
Great stretch of hockey nonetheless. You cannot blow 4 goal leads and just say well we got 11/12pts in the last 6. They have to understand that those are backbreaking losses that can switch the complexion of a series in a heartbeat. I am not sure focusing on the positives is the right call TBH. That is not a championship mentality IMO
1. The too many men call after a TJ Brodie breakaway is flat out inexcusable. I know Keefe loosely shifted blame on his team last time this happened, saying they needed to clean it up. I think he needs to look in the mirror a bit. When you juggle the lines in game as frequently as Sheldon does, there is almost zero way that can happen without the coach calling the lines. You've heard stories about guys like Scotty Bowman basically not calling a single line throughout the entirety of the game, but I have a very very hard time believing with the amount of movement we see night to night and shift to shift that this would be the case in TOR. The too many men calls need to end yesterday. It's unacceptable, and it was directly the reason FLA felt like they had a chance in that game being down 4 with 30mins to play.
2. Goal 3, I don't even know what to f***ing say about that TBH. That was the most elongated wind up for a slapshot I think I've seen in a while. I have absolutely no clue how that gets past Kallgren. It needs to be stopped. Unacceptable.
The rest is what it is. We chased the game from that point on.
Like every time we've stumbled in the playoffs before, it's the mistakes we are making that cost us games. When the score was 5-3, immediately after the Gudas goal, and Matthews tries to dance the FLA player at the far blue line and then a subsequent Willy hook in recovery. It wiped away a man advantage that could have restored a 3 goal lead, and more importantly take the momentum out of the building. Even if we didn't eventually score on that PP, it works as a timeout essentially by the fact that 1 extra minute would have passed since that awful Gudas goal. When you have 5 on the board, you really don't need to be pressing for more. Make the simple plays.
I am generally an advocate of Sheldon Keefe, but last night has to go down as his worst coaching performance in a long long time. The Muzzin-Holl pairing was on the ice for 5 goals I believe, with Holl failing to tie up a stick in front of the net on I believe 3 of the goals. Truly mind numbing that he went back to that pairing after all of the data to support it no longer works. Above that, I have zero clue why he decided to sit Lybushkin. Just an all world f*** up of the lineup card from the hop.
Great stretch of hockey nonetheless. You cannot blow 4 goal leads and just say well we got 11/12pts in the last 6. They have to understand that those are backbreaking losses that can switch the complexion of a series in a heartbeat. I am not sure focusing on the positives is the right call TBH. That is not a championship mentality IMO
But yet we did start a low level backup. Because our goalie is not capable of starting back to back once in the season when we are playing 2 of the most important games of the season. WTF would we do in the playoffs, just have throw away games?
zeke
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Holl and Muzzin together has been terrible all season. It was like whenever Keefe kept ramming Ritchie down our throats and kept putting him with Matthews and Marner repeatedly game after game. He's stubborn. Even an armchair coach wouldn't have put Holl and Muzzin back together last night.
Keefe makes some mind-boggling decisions at times... or a lot more than he should.
seventieslord
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I wanna be mad about the hook in overtime, but honestly it stopped mattering the moment the clock in regulation ticked down to zero. Picking up one more point than the Panthers tonight wasn't gonna do anything for us - we needed to pick up two on them. As in, they get zero.
The range of possibilities for the leafs final regular season position and matchup are as follows:
- surge to the top of the division and have a legit shot at getting the east's only easy out (Washington)
- end up in the mushy middle and in a coinflip series against Tampa or Boston with or without home advantage
- end up 3rd of the 3 logjam teams and get stuck playing Florida or Carolina
Last night's game just ensured that the top scenario won't happen. We had to pick up seven points on the Panthers and that meant taking all four against them and hoping to somehow make up three more along the way. Eight points is obviously not going to happen with just one game left against them. Sure, we could win that game and only need six more, but you have to win those four point games because you can't sit back and expect Florida to miss six points between now and the end of the season, never mind six more than you miss.
Last night made it a certainty that we play Boston or Tampa, or and while we're certainly trending towards 2nd, losing either of those head to head matchups in regulation will threaten that significantly.
It's really too bad. Last night when it was 5-1 I was already having visions of a Leafs/Caps matchup. Not happening now.
The range of possibilities for the leafs final regular season position and matchup are as follows:
- surge to the top of the division and have a legit shot at getting the east's only easy out (Washington)
- end up in the mushy middle and in a coinflip series against Tampa or Boston with or without home advantage
- end up 3rd of the 3 logjam teams and get stuck playing Florida or Carolina
Last night's game just ensured that the top scenario won't happen. We had to pick up seven points on the Panthers and that meant taking all four against them and hoping to somehow make up three more along the way. Eight points is obviously not going to happen with just one game left against them. Sure, we could win that game and only need six more, but you have to win those four point games because you can't sit back and expect Florida to miss six points between now and the end of the season, never mind six more than you miss.
Last night made it a certainty that we play Boston or Tampa, or and while we're certainly trending towards 2nd, losing either of those head to head matchups in regulation will threaten that significantly.
It's really too bad. Last night when it was 5-1 I was already having visions of a Leafs/Caps matchup. Not happening now.
I'm not a fan of Keefe saying in post game presser I thought the team played well. He doesn't have to be Mike Keenan. I also respect the fact he is probably going to be more critical privately than publicly. Just don't tell us it's always sunshine. It's been since 1967 I'm pretty sure most of us see through the B.S.
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Seems like a bad idea for a guy returning from an injury, who folks worried was already having trouble dealing with a significantly increased workload.
seventieslord
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On the bright side, the only thing separating the Leafs and Panthers W/L records is that the Panthers have done a better job beating up on the 4 weak atlantic teams. I'm not recalculating right now, but prior to last night these were the win percentages of the 4 good Atlantic teams minus their games against MTL/OTT/BUF/DET:
Toronto .710
Florida .707
Tampa .657
Boston .623
The 4 good atlantic teams' records against eachother:
Leafs 6-1-1
Boston 3-3-1
Tampa 3-5-1
Florida 4-1-2
Toronto .710
Florida .707
Tampa .657
Boston .623
The 4 good atlantic teams' records against eachother:
Leafs 6-1-1
Boston 3-3-1
Tampa 3-5-1
Florida 4-1-2
zeke
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Keefe was ready to pull Kallgren after that 3rd goal. That doesn't sound like Keefe was too worried about his health.
I think he makes some questionable decisions at times for sure. I think if was abundantly clear right from the hop that Muzz and Holl were not working. Certainly not on the PK1. The Reinhart goal to start the game was vintage Muzz-Holl. Muzz is just swimming in the defensive zone after a lost draw, even going as high as the top of the circle, which just f***s the entire structure of the PK. He then scrambles back to the net front, but fails to seal of the passing lane to Reinhart in front. And then you have Holl just completely lost in front of the net. In a great position to tie up a stick but instead his focus is nowhere near his man. He's puck watching the entire time and fails to make a very easy stick lift.
It's just not even remotely close to good enough.
Holl can be effective, so too can Muzz. But not together. They are a f***ing tire fire against teams that actually know how to move a puck
Buds17
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Fair enough. I'm guessing that the bigger picture was looked at here. The team peeled off a handful of wins in a row, and running the same goalie in a back-to-back is hardly the best idea. The notion seems to be increasingly risky when said goalie is the starter and recently back from injury. Put the best foot forward when the team is fresh (vs Tampa) and hope the offence can (continue to) come through in the back half. I'm happy that at least one point was gained from the effort.
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