Apotheosis
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You didn't address the 5v5 argument though. We have an entire year's sample size of middling play 5v5. And 11 million for 78 points in 2022 is MASSIVELY overpaid.
Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose in the Marathon
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You didn't address the 5v5 argument though. We have an entire year's sample size of middling play 5v5. And 11 million for 78 points in 2022 is MASSIVELY overpaid.
I'm talking 5 on 5. With our PP, they'll all get points. Christ, you and me would rack up 15 points if you switch us for JT on that unit
I'm just trying to figure out how often this happens...
Does anybody else know if any of the contenders, Florida, Tampa Bay, Boston, Colorado, Calgary, Minnesota, have blown a 4 goal lead for a loss this year? I'm sure it's happened, I'm just curious how common it is for a good team to have it happen to them? Can't remember the last time I saw it among the top teams.
Does anybody else know if any of the contenders, Florida, Tampa Bay, Boston, Colorado, Calgary, Minnesota, have blown a 4 goal lead for a loss this year? I'm sure it's happened, I'm just curious how common it is for a good team to have it happen to them? Can't remember the last time I saw it among the top teams.
I thought Rielly was just as bad as Brodie as well.
And it is definitely time to move on from the Muzzin-Holl pairing.
3 on 3 OT loss is not a crushing defeat. Goalies were off for both teams and this is the game you get.
5 of 7 goals (all but goals 3 and 7) were not on the goalies at all. Almost all were prime shooting positions, and on many our goalie made the first save but nobody was taking guys in front for the rebound.
The 3rd goal though ... f***, that was terrible. Like, insanely awful, about as bad as it gets, and that was a huge one in terms of score/momentum. We were on the PP up 5-2, game in control, then Kallgren lets in a truly atrocious shorty, and suddenly it's a game again, 5-3 in the 2nd. You could tell the Leafs were shook and the Panthers energized, Willie took a hooking call right after because IMO he didn't want to allow a shot on Kallgren at all after that stinker.
The game winner on Campbell - I wouldn't call it a bad goal, sliding across on an odd man rush like that there's going to be gaps, but it was certainly stoppable if he'd managed to keep his pad tight to the ice. Campbell did make a bunch of good saves though, and anyone blaming goals 4-6 on him is nuts, they were all basically unstoppable. Despite allowing 4 goals in half a game, he was quite good, which says a lot about our team D in this game.
Team D is definitely the main issue here, we simply were not properly clearing or covering the front of the net. But that one real bad goal on Kallgren felt like a big momentum swing to me, watching the game.
Oh well, we've been playing mostly terrific hockey, it was a B2B against arguably the best team in the league, and we still got a point. 11 of a possible 12 points over our last 6 games, despite a really tough schedule (5 of 6 top notch - Florida twice, Tampa, Carolina and Boston, just 1 soft game against the Jets). 2nd half of this game was pretty brutal, but it doesn't sting so bad with how well we've been playing recently.
The 3rd goal though ... f***, that was terrible. Like, insanely awful, about as bad as it gets, and that was a huge one in terms of score/momentum. We were on the PP up 5-2, game in control, then Kallgren lets in a truly atrocious shorty, and suddenly it's a game again, 5-3 in the 2nd. You could tell the Leafs were shook and the Panthers energized, Willie took a hooking call right after because IMO he didn't want to allow a shot on Kallgren at all after that stinker.
The game winner on Campbell - I wouldn't call it a bad goal, sliding across on an odd man rush like that there's going to be gaps, but it was certainly stoppable if he'd managed to keep his pad tight to the ice. Campbell did make a bunch of good saves though, and anyone blaming goals 4-6 on him is nuts, they were all basically unstoppable. Despite allowing 4 goals in half a game, he was quite good, which says a lot about our team D in this game.
Team D is definitely the main issue here, we simply were not properly clearing or covering the front of the net. But that one real bad goal on Kallgren felt like a big momentum swing to me, watching the game.
Oh well, we've been playing mostly terrific hockey, it was a B2B against arguably the best team in the league, and we still got a point. 11 of a possible 12 points over our last 6 games, despite a really tough schedule (5 of 6 top notch - Florida twice, Tampa, Carolina and Boston, just 1 soft game against the Jets). 2nd half of this game was pretty brutal, but it doesn't sting so bad with how well we've been playing recently.
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Stephen
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Honestly, I think an Engvall Mikheyev shock troop would probably do some unique damage in OT. JT had a brilliant chance to finish it if he wasn't hooked but you can kind of see the pros and cons of having him out there: can get stranded in open ice and run out of gas. Wins faceoffs but if he's not wheeling, then you can lose possession and burn up more energy chasing. Pros and cons.
Leafidelity
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He was a UFA signing, any top UFA is going to be massively overpaid. Its the nature of the business. He was overpaid the minute he signed the deal. That still doesnt negate having a nearly ppg-producing second line centre.
DarkKnight
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Thing about falling skies, it’s really just fog and it lifts again when the sun comes out.
Thanks for the points Florida.
Thanks for the points Florida.
kevsh
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Round 1, game 7, don't care who the opponent is.
Toronto has a 5-1 lead early in the 2nd period.
On a scale of 1 (too scared to watch) to 10 (break out the champagne) how confident are you they win the game?
Personally, I'd be about a 2. Probably turn it off, go for a walk and fully expect when I turn the game back on mid-way through the 3rd it's 5-4, or 5-5.
Toronto has a 5-1 lead early in the 2nd period.
On a scale of 1 (too scared to watch) to 10 (break out the champagne) how confident are you they win the game?
Personally, I'd be about a 2. Probably turn it off, go for a walk and fully expect when I turn the game back on mid-way through the 3rd it's 5-4, or 5-5.
BertCorbeau
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Suffice to say I think Tavares is declining into more of PP specialist.
He'll produce but the rest of his game is in definite decline... could get ugly by the end.
He'll produce but the rest of his game is in definite decline... could get ugly by the end.
We had 7 powerplays as well. When was the last time your heard of a team getting 7 powrplay opportunities and blowing a 4 goal lead in the process and taking the loss? That has to be a rare feat of futility lol.Also Florida just had a 4-goal comeback on the weekend.
They'll get shut down in the playoffs.... it probably won't be the Leafs, but some team will. Maybe Boston
Worth noting this is back to back starts Bobrovsky has been pulled.
Not sure but this is the 2nd time Florida has been down by 4 and come back to win 7-6 in OT in the last week. They just did this to New Jersey when they were down 6-2.
Leafs are rolling...
Sheldon Keefe: "Lets try Muzzin and Holl"
Sheldon Keefe: "Lets try Muzzin and Holl"
Stephen
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I wasn't comfortable with Muzzin out there too much tonight. He's sort of lost in the track meet and roaming around with his head down a lot. Good that he scored but he looks rusty and I'm just nervous he'll get Stevens/Lindros steam rolled.
Easily. But politics take over and the captain will play.
It’s a simple game, play the speed demons with all that extra ice.
Stephen
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New Jersey. Exactly the team that I want to Toronto to be in the conversation with lol...
So much focus on Florida being excellent at coming back. Toronto should be good enough to hold onto a 4 goal lead, in a game in which they chase the opposition's starting goalie and they get 7 powerplay opportunities.
MSZ
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Keefe does love his experiments when things are going well, often ended up in losses.
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