Post-Game Talk: Leafs Lose in Game 7. Again.

[Dekes For Days]

The NHL didn't manufacture a call. If it were the other way you would not be saying this so cut the excuses.

They did manufacture a call, which took away one of the Leaf's 2 goals. It was wrong, and it decided the series. Leafs would never be handed a series like that, but if they were, I would call it out all the same, because the main thing I want is good, fair hockey. It would feel so dirty to win in that way.

There is no argument for Matthews over McDavid beyond 2022.

There is, and you can't just erase 2022 anyway. Whether you think he's the best or not is irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[Pucklington]

Outside perspective. I watched this series too. TB and TML were a coin flip going in, with TB having the experience.

I think Toronto actually proved a lot this year. They should allow them to grow from this and go back with same team. Major changes would be a mistake.

 

[Gallagbi]

They did manufacture a call, which took away one of the Leaf's 2 goals. It was wrong, and it decided the series. Leafs would never be handed a series like that, but if they were, I would call it out all the same, because the main thing I want is good, fair hockey.

There is, and you can't just erase 2022 anyway. You're missing the entire point of the discussion anyway.

They had a chance to replicate Game 6 with an easy call on Nylanders trip but decided not to

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Good evening guys,
I'm a Bolts fan coming here in peace. I wanted to write these few lines to express my congratulations to your team and your players. Personally, I agree with Hedman when he said it was a really close series. Also the stats show that: 24 goals for TOR and 23 for TB...216 shots for TOR and 215 for TB. So, it was a matter of details, the ones that allowed us to win this contest.
I think TOR played an hell of a series. I can understand your frustration and your bad statements on the players, but I don't agree with the fact TOR choked again. This series, for the Maple Leafs, was really different from the CBJ and the MTL ones I think. You were good enough to shut down guys like Kucherov and Point (both of them played a quite bad series imo). Also Campbell, except maybe in G7, was better than the “below average Vasy”.
A couple of points, again.​

1. You are hockey fans first of all so you surely remember what both the same Bolts fans and the media said about Kucherov, Stamkos and Hedman before the 2020 run. “They're not playoffs performers”...”They po* in their pants when it counts”...”Tampa Bay Chokers”...”The San José Sharks of the East” and so on. Then, after the CBJ nightmare, something changed. Both mentally and in the roster. I don't know if trade Nylander, for example, is the right move (I think it is but who really knows...to be honest I'd trade him asap). I only know that acquire a couple of guys that won the cup before would be huge. It's not a case TB destiny changed when we acquired Pat Maroon. I think it's an interesting point the organization should take into consideration.​
2. I saw the video of a 4-5 fans fighting each others at the end of the game. I think they DO NOT represent your entire community and so the “fans” trolling under Bolts pages on Twitter either. Why did I say that? Easy answer: I've been in Toronto to watch both an hockey and a baskeball game. October 2016, I was there, at Air Canada Center, to Watch Lightning @ Maple Leafs, 3 months after Auston got drafted. And the atmosphere in your building and outside the arena WAS AMAZING. I really loved the moments I spent there and all around the city and the region I could have felt the passion and the love for our fav sport. But, as you can easily say, every team has some as* in his community...so move on and that's it​
3. I wrote about the players...a mention also for your head coach. You cannot even imagine how many “Fire Cooper” I read after the CBJ sweep. So, does Keefe deserve to stay? Maybe no, but first of all, if you want to build something important, you need to have a strong and good organization. Are Dubas and Shanahan the right men in the right place? I don't think so. Trotz would be a uge improvement, that's for sure, but before that, the ownership should answer a couple of question about the Maple Leafs board.​

Said all of that, I want to renew my congrats to you and your team for the amazing series both TOR and TB have played. See u next season.

Take care you all!!​

You had your "columbus series embarrassment". So did we. It was called OUR "Columbus series embarrassment". And it was 2 years ago.

Pray tell, if Tampa lost in the first round TWICE MORE after the Columbus series lost, you think significant changes would have happened? We all know they would have.

Every single solitary 1st round loss we have is immediately compared to the Tampa-Columbus series for some reason. It's annoying at this point. We could lose in the first round 5 more times and people will still write "But Tampa won two cups after a humiliating first round loss". Enough of it.

And all the Tampa players and fans praising our team is the worst thing of all.

We used to be the cocky arrogant loser kid that kept getting bullied.

But now we're the loser kid that's so f***ed up that even the bullies leave us alone out of sympathy.

 

[hfman]

We all would love the refs to have to answer questions. Taking a look at how corrupt reffing is in other leagues, we absolutely know that there is some bullshit going on.

Not blaming the refs for this, just saying. They are corrupt in the NHL too

once it happens the first time, then it can happen any time.

it's sad because now you never know when tje outcome of a game is legit vs. when something like this is going on

you'd have to be a complete idiot to deny that this sort of thing goes on. It's already been admitted as per the video a few posts up.

 

[alliuk12]

Well, where to from here

down. next year we don`t even make the playoff`s

 

[Duffman955]

Next year is the year boys

Head up

Holds back tears

 

[ismelofhockey]

There were 4-5 more blatant interference cans in the alone. Bogo in particular.

Maybe you're right. Without video of those missed calls, it's hard for me to argue. But, as I mentioned before, we all know NHL officiating is inconsistent.

 

[cannucky]

Cause that will make our generational franchise centre happy with two years left on his contract.

generational franchise centre ? lol you should probably reduce the intake of whatever your using bud , Mathews grabbed his bag from the only team and GM in the world that would play an ELC player 11 million and set himself up financially so he would be free to go anywhere he wants after this deal , thats why the NMC in his final year , it's not to keep him in Toronto it's to prevent us dealing him somewhere he doesn't want to go , he will not be re-signing in Toronto .

If he wanted to be a Leaf for Life he would have demanded an 8 year deal , He demanded the shorter term for a reason .

 

[Fabiobest]

You had your "columbus series embarrassment". So did we. It was called OUR "Columbus series embarrassment". And it was 2 years ago.

Pray tell, if Tampa lost in the first round TWICE MORE after the Columbus series lost, you think significant changes would have happened? We all know they would have.

Every single solitary 1st round loss we have is immediately compared to the Tampa-Columbus series for some reason. It's annoying at this point. We could lose in the first round 5 more times and people will still write "But Tampa won two cups after a humiliating first round loss". Enough of it.

And all the Tampa players and fans praising our team is the worst thing of all.

We used to be the cocky arrogant loser kid that kept getting bullied.

But now we're the loser kid that's so f***ed up that even the bullies leave us alone out of sympathy.

Before the CBJ sweep, TB MISSED the playoffs, in 2016-17 season. Remember that. And nothing too big changed. Yes, exactly: Vasy,Hedman, Kucherov, Stamkos, Palat, Tyler Johnson, a young Yanni Gourde missed the playoffs. I'm not joking.
And the year after, we went "all in" with the acquisition of McDonagh and JT Miller at the deadline.
The final result? The first time we met a team that was able to defend and score at the same time, they (WSH) kicked our asses in 7 games.
I don't want to bully anyone: I'm not a kid but i'm a 34, almost 35 years old guy, fanatic of hockey. Don't worry about that!

 

[Superstar]

Good evening guys,
I'm a Bolts fan coming here in peace. I wanted to write these few lines to express my congratulations to your team and your players. Personally, I agree with Hedman when he said it was a really close series. Also the stats show that: 24 goals for TOR and 23 for TB...216 shots for TOR and 215 for TB. So, it was a matter of details, the ones that allowed us to win this contest.
I think TOR played an hell of a series. I can understand your frustration and your bad statements on the players, but I don't agree with the fact TOR choked again. This series, for the Maple Leafs, was really different from the CBJ and the MTL ones I think. You were good enough to shut down guys like Kucherov and Point (both of them played a quite bad series imo). Also Campbell, except maybe in G7, was better than the “below average Vasy”.
A couple of points, again.​

1. You are hockey fans first of all so you surely remember what both the same Bolts fans and the media said about Kucherov, Stamkos and Hedman before the 2020 run. “They're not playoffs performers”...”They po* in their pants when it counts”...”Tampa Bay Chokers”...”The San José Sharks of the East” and so on. Then, after the CBJ nightmare, something changed. Both mentally and in the roster. I don't know if trade Nylander, for example, is the right move (I think it is but who really knows...to be honest I'd trade him asap). I only know that acquire a couple of guys that won the cup before would be huge. It's not a case TB destiny changed when we acquired Pat Maroon. I think it's an interesting point the organization should take into consideration.​
2. I saw the video of a 4-5 fans fighting each others at the end of the game. I think they DO NOT represent your entire community and so the “fans” trolling under Bolts pages on Twitter either. Why did I say that? Easy answer: I've been in Toronto to watch both an hockey and a baskeball game. October 2016, I was there, at Air Canada Center, to Watch Lightning @ Maple Leafs, 3 months after Auston got drafted. And the atmosphere in your building and outside the arena WAS AMAZING. I really loved the moments I spent there and all around the city and the region I could have felt the passion and the love for our fav sport. But, as you can easily say, every team has some as* in his community...so move on and that's it​
3. I wrote about the players...a mention also for your head coach. You cannot even imagine how many “Fire Cooper” I read after the CBJ sweep. So, does Keefe deserve to stay? Maybe no, but first of all, if you want to build something important, you need to have a strong and good organization. Are Dubas and Shanahan the right men in the right place? I don't think so. Trotz would be a uge improvement, that's for sure, but before that, the ownership should answer a couple of question about the Maple Leafs board.​

Said all of that, I want to renew my congrats to you and your team for the amazing series both TOR and TB have played. See u next season.

Take care you all!!​

You forgot to go down on your knees and thank the refs for game 6. You could actually thank the refs all series...when was the last team to get 3 straight games of 5-on-3 powerplay time in the playoffs like the Lightning did? The Leafs literally went from one of the least penalized teams in the regular season to the most penalized team in the playoffs, while the Lightning was the 2nd most penalized team in the regular season, but somehow had a lot less penalties than the Leafs. It's tough enough to try to beat a good team like the Lightning, but to also try to beat the refs truly make it the improbable task that it is.

Interference on Holl in game 7 for the pick, no problem...Killorn pulling on Matthews's jersey for 5 plus seconds for a ride across the ice, nah, didn't see it...

 

[alliuk12]

once it happens the first time, then it can happen any time.

it's sad because now you never know when tje outcome of a game is legit vs. when something like this is going on

you'd have to be a complete idiot to deny that this sort of thing goes on. It's already been admitted as per the video a few posts up.

all you have to do is look at the way the leafs and tampa games were called by the ref`s just check the penelties called on tampa compared to the number called on the leafs anyone can see what is going on all these games are rigged for the teams the nhl wants to win

 

[PromisedLand]

It was pretty dark leaving the arena last night. Almost saw a fight in the crowd when some young fans took exception to some booing while the leafs were giving the final "bye" from the ice. (tampa left the ice first leaving the leafs).

Then when in the square same thing. Saw a fan pissing on a jersey. Saw another fan run and shove the pissing fan causing him to piss on what appeared to be his GF. A melee ensued.

A fanbase divided.

Some fans are calling disallowed goals as goals and hiding behind the same old.

Others are pissing on their jersey.

A fanbase divided.

WOW

But quite frankly for the good of the team it is the best. Fans have to stand up to the BS and not take this anymore. Enough is enough already.

The "young" fans are probably entitled having been brought up in participation trophy. Get 2 out 10 answers right on a test here is a ribbon for getting 2 right.

Civilization is moving towards self destruction if this shit continues

 

[Fabiobest]

You forgot to go down on your knees and thank the refs for game 6. You could actually thank the refs all series...when was the last team to get 3 straight games of 5-on-3 powerplay time in the playoffs like the Lightning did? The Leafs literally went from one of the least penalized teams in the regular season to the most penalized team in the playoffs, while the Lightning was the 2nd most penalized team in the regular season, but somehow had a lot less penalties than the Leafs. It's tough enough to try to beat a good team like the Lightning, but to also try to beat the refs truly make it the improbable task that it is.

Interference on Holl in game 7 for the pick, no problem...Killorn pulling on Matthews's jersey for 5 plus seconds for a ride across the ice, nah, didn't see it...

Sorry but I don't talk about the refs.
I want to talk about hockey.

 

[Racer88]

Well would you rather them say, we choke again, or it is the fans fault for putting too much pressure on them…

I don’t think they choked. I think for the most part they gave it all they had but the team is just not good enough. However that doesn’t mean anyone should be happy about it

 

[Superstar]

Sorry but I don't talk about the refs.
I want to talk about hockey.

The refs are part of the game, sorry, and they blatantly decided the outcome of the series.

 

[Canadian Finn]

Sorry but I don't talk about the refs.
I want to talk about hockey.

I wouldn't want to talk about the refs after that series either.

 

[stealth1]

all you have to do is look at the way the leafs and tampa games were called by the ref`s just check the penelties called on tampa compared to the number called on the leafs anyone can see what is going on all these games are rigged for the teams the nhl wants to win

If that was true then the Oilers would have been eliminated last night. I don't buy that the refs rig games. IMO the refs are inconsistent for one and two this is what happens when you ask refs to manage the game and keep games close.

Personally I wish they go back calling games like they did after the first lockout.

 

[MSZ]

WOW

But quite frankly for the good of the team it is the best. Fans have to stand up to the BS and not take this anymore. Enough is enough already.

The "young" fans are probably entitled having been brought up in participation trophy. Get 2 out 10 answers right on a test here is a ribbon for getting 2 right.

Civilization is moving towards self destruction if this shit continues

Those videos are all over Twitter today. There were multiple fights between fans in the same jerseys after game.

 

[AvroArrow]

Sorry but I don't talk about the refs.
I want to talk about hockey.

They are one in the same when the refs dictate the outcome of the game

Game 6, phantom PP give Tampa a goal. Should've been an embellishment penalty on Foote. OT Matthews is held, Bunting elbowed, Muzzin elbowed, Holl hooked and tackled, no call on any of them, TB scores the OT winner

Game 7, TB player is literally sitting on Kampf for 10 seconds, who would be the checker on Paul, instead Paul goes up the ice without being disrupted and scores goal #1. Then goal #2 Killorn is holding Muzzin down and grabs his stick out of his hand, making him unable to check Paul, Paul scores #2. Holl sets a pick, it's immediately called no goal, Leafs on the PK. Nylander going on a breakway, gets held, no call. Nylander tripped in 3rd period when Leafs are on the PP no call

Now please tell me if I'm lying about any of those. Those plays dictated the outcomes of game 6 and 7

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

If JT could be traded you are assuming we wouldn't hockey trade him for a center that could replace his rapidly diminishing game . Thats some pretty flawed logic right there , for example if we got Jacob Chychrun at 4.6 for him our defence would be instantlly better and deeper and if we used the 6.4 in saving to sign Kadri at something less than 6.4 then we would have a better #2 center and a better D corps giving us both a better starting roster and depth by pushing most of our current starting Dmen 1 rung down the depth chart .

Kadri isn't signing for less than 6.4 and even if he would we tried that, he was an idiot muple times and got himself suspended in the playoffs, in fact he's done that 3 times the past 4 years.

no thanks he's not dependable

 

[Gabriel426]

I don’t think they choked. I think for the most part they gave it all they had but the team is just not good enough. However that doesn’t mean anyone should be happy about it

Not going to speak for others but I am not happy. I am also not pissed and mad like last few series bc the boys showed up.
The last few playoffs, I really hated how some here kept coming up with excuses for the big boys underperforming, but that’s really not the case this season.
Now am I proud or happy, far from it bc they didn’t win.

 

[PromisedLand]

Those videos are all over Twitter today. There were multiple fights between fans in the same jerseys after game.

damn I didnt know that. But i clearly see why some fans are angry and do not blame them

 

[hamzarocks]

They did manufacture a call, which took away one of the Leaf's 2 goals. It was wrong, and it decided the series. Leafs would never be handed a series like that, but if they were, I would call it out all the same, because the main thing I want is good, fair hockey. It would feel so dirty to win in that way.

There is, and you can't just erase 2022 anyway. Whether you think he's the best or not is irrelevant to the discussion.

There is no argument for Matthews being better than McDavid before 2022.

There is no argument Matthews is a better player than McDavid when using a sample size greater than 1 year

2022 Matthews is neck and neck with McDavid in the regular season. If this is who he is moving forward it'll be close.

However 1 year of this play doesn't erase 5 years of play which are heavily in 97s favour.

The only year where Matthews and McDavid can be compared are in 2021-2022

Every year outside of that Matthews is blown away

 

[DarenX]

This team will win. If any changes are going to be made I hope they are not huge.

I thought they played hard. It sucks to lose but I was not embarrassed by this loss, more pissed at inconsistent reffing... I was proud of how they played. Even with the question marks on reffing it was a even series that could have gone either way. Tampa is good. So are the leafs. Nuff said.

These guys are still young, they battled and I can get behind them another year.