Post-Game Talk: Leafs Lose in Game 7. Again.

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I didn't understand Keefe post-game interview by saying we earned respect from TB players, what respect??!!
I like Paul Maurice said few years ago Jets against wild(?), At the end of the day, what I am talking about here is all bullshit because we didn't win!

I like that.
 
This core is nothing special. They had a chance to do something legendary, but they failed. They are very ordinary, as it turns out.

They just are not built for the playoffs. The only one I saw consistently trying to engage on hard forechecks and not just do fly-by's was Marner for the most part. Matthews is 6'3 215 and prefers to stick check rather than lay out the body. Nylander is self explanatory and Tavares does his best to look like he's doing something but then ends up bobbling the puck regardless. When it comes down to it, they don't have the desire to really go out there and win and never change it up. Desperation is their only motivation in games when it ends up being too late.
 
I disagree with Dekes saying it should "count as a goal" (wtf?).

But, by the books, was that actually a penalty?

It's full out warfare in front of the net and people without the puck with are crashing into each other and smashing the shit out of each other. Everytime they crash into each other it's supposed to be called as interference?
It was as clear an interference as you can get
 
The main board is extra extra insufferable today. Between the leafs fans either trading our core for nothing or trying to get rid of holl/kerfott for 1.dmen. As well as the blatant trolling (and never punished) of our fan base. It's like watching qanon turds arguing with flat earthers.

Getting rid of Holl and Kerfoot should be priority#1. Then you can find a nameplate for new coach Barry Trotz.
 
it's time to go get a real #1 goalie, Jack isn't the guy because if he was the guy he would have been able to give the Leafs 2 good games in a row and won the series, he couldn't do that and it cost them.

Let's be clear Vasi didn't do it either but Vasi is a back to back champion, Vasi is a Vezina winner, Vasi could return right this second and be a lock for the hall of fame, when it's winning time when it's closing time Vasi gets it done.

Vasi is a closer.

Jack Campbell isn't

that was the difference

this team needs a legitimate #1 they need a closer
 
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I saw the goal it didn't count
Yes, the NHL decided to manufacture a result and arbitrarily ignore one, but that doesn't change the fact that both teams scored 2 goals.
No argument at all for Matthews to be near 97 if you look beyond the 2022 regular season
I literally just said that one could use an expanded sample to prefer somebody like McDavid, but there's certainly an argument for Matthews, even with an expanded sample. Either way, he's up there with the best of the best, and had the best season this year.
Are you saying interference that creates or prevents a scoring chance shouldn‘t be called?
Interference that creates or prevents a scoring chance should be called. Unfortunately, actual interference that created or prevented a scoring chance was often ignored throughout this series, and unfortunately, a play that wasn't interference and didn't create or prevent a scoring chance was called in this game 7 and decided the series.
By this logic, Tampa scored 3 goals if you count Perry putting the puck into the Leafs net during warmup.
Warmups aren't part of the game.
 
Nope, both teams scored 2 goals. You should check out the replay instead of just the box score. It's very clear and obvious.

Who's wondering? We all know. Even Tampa knows. Because the refs decided to manufacture their desired result. Twice.

Don’t forget all the goals Perry scored on the leafs net in warmup ;)
 
it's time to go get a real #1 goalie, Jack isn't the guy because if he was the guy he would have been able to give the Leafs 2 good games in a row and won the series, he couldn't do that and it cost them.

Let's be clear Vasi didn't do it either but Vasi is a back to back champion, Vasi is a Vezina winner, Vasi could return right this second and be a lock for the hall of fame, when it's winning time when it's closing time Vasi gets it done.

Vasi is a closer.

Jack Campbell isn't

that was the difference

this team needs a legitimate #1 they need a closer
With what money are they going to get that goalie?
 
I cheer for the Senators, who have been in the bottom of the league for a while now. From my perspective, I think Stamkos is correct. If the leafs came up against anyone but Tampa in that first round, we wouldn't be talking about their exit. The thing about Tampa, is that they are really good at playing playoff hockey: super stingy style of play, get the first goal and sit on it. Plus they have a decent, cup winning goalie. I wouldn't say that Vasileskiy is that much better than Campbell. The difference is only experience. In fact that is the difference between the entire Tampa team and the Leafs. But the Leafs are very close to being a finals team. Just like the Capitals. It took Ovechkin and that crew a few tries to finally make it happen.
The problem with this thinking is that the Caps won the first round in each of the 3 preceeding years prior to winning the Cup. The Leafs have done squat and will continue on that path because Dubas et al allows them to.
 
No both teams didn't score two goals. Leafs goal was not a legal goal as the refs called holl for interference

Stop being a homer and try and be objective
Yes they did. Its called a disallowed GOAL for a reason...

It was a goal... that was disallowed... both teams scored 2 goals.

how is this an argument? christ.
 
It was as clear an interference as you can get
So "getting in the way" is interference? Isn't that specifically the defenseman's job? To get in the way and stop opposing players? What, are they supposed to just "move out of the way"?

I feel like I'm watching an entirely different sport. The front of the net is a warzone and everybody is smashing into each other and batling. That's interference each and every time? Then why have I pretty much never seen it called as interference?

The rulebook says that defensemen can't "get in the way" of opposing players? Where?
 
With what money are they going to get that goalie?

you find the money.

you LTIR, or trade Marazek

you shed Kerfoot because you can replace Kerfoot for much cheaper Bunting has proven that.

You Fire Justin Holl into the sun that guy is an idiot.

that's 8.8 million right there

you can find the money
 
Sports media appear to be a willing propaganda arm of MLSE.…..

From an owners standpoint they got 4 playoff gates. Probably acceptable to the MBA's in management but they could care less about the actual fans or the city quite frankly.

If moves aren't made in the offseason this team will implode next year like they did with Babcock.
 
Yes they did. Its called a disallowed GOAL for a reason...

It was a goal... that was disallowed... both teams scored 2 goals.

how is this an argument? christ.
It wasn't a disallowed goal. The refs hand was already up (for reasons I'll never understand), and the whistle was already blown. The puck goes in the net after the whistle all the time. Nobody (lol) considers it a "goal".

I feel like everybody is getting high today or something as a coping mechanism.
 
Let's get some perspective on this. It is pretty simple. How many lost games in a row in series at 3-2 or 3-3? You guys know this stuff. 6, 8? And 10 lost playoffs in a row? Second highest in sport?

There is no point in blaming refs, curses, bad luck, coaches, even the Big 4. The data speak loudly over time. The hypothesis that you can win with a team with this much salary inequality has been tested, and the null hypothesis holds: you can't. Dubas has had his time. He had a "new" theory about what works, he had his time to prove his theory.

I read some incredibly stupid and pathetic journalists online about not blowing this up. How can these people dare to apologize, to blind themselves, so easily? The bottom line is that change, serious change is necessary. You need to break with this past however you can, and it IS psychological.

It starts with Dubas. He has to go. Just trying something different at this point will help. Then the coach. He is not an NHL coach. Has anyone wondered why all of these people had to have some association with the SOO Greyhounds to be legitimate? Are there other OHL teams with promising people running them? Watching Keefe in that documentary last year made it obvious to me that the players don't believe in this guy -- he has no authority, no impact.

Then there are trades. You CANNOT have a team with this kind of salary imbalance, because it means somewhere down the lineup you are suffering. The third line is weak -- period. The defense is almost good enough. The goalie is almost good enough. The bottom six are not close to almost good enough. I lived near New York during the Islanders era -- go look at the balanced scoring in that team. Both third line wingers scored 20 to 30 goals every year. Trade Tavares if possible, Nylander, whoever.

I will NOT watch this team another year if it is same-old, same-old.
 

Toronto Maple Leafs fans are taking out their frustrations on each other.

At least two separate skirmishes between fans broke out, viral video shows, after their team lost, 2-1, in Game 7 to the visiting Tampa Bay Lightning on Saturday night. A shirtless man was chased in circles by another man, who swung at least four times but never seemed to connect. Police slowly reacted to break up the second fight that saw fans rolling around on the floor.

There is no knowing what started the fights.


But there is plenty of reason for Maple Leafs fans to be frustrated after the most predictable first-round series of the Stanley Cup Playoffs played out exactly as expected.

The Lightning’s hope for a three-peat lives on as they won the final two games against the Maple Leafs when facing elimination to capture their ninth straight series since a first-round elimination as heavy favorites in the 2019 playoffs.

Leafs fans are turning on each other… pic.twitter.com/rm7RFcNqhE
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Maple Leafs’ fans fight it out after their Game 7 loss.
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In hindsight, it feels like climbing out of the basement in 2016-17 too early was a double edged sword. They didn't stay in the basement long enough to scoop up a finishing piece like a Makar or Heiskanen but the accelerated timeline led to accelerating expectations and salaries which hit the Marleau and Tavares UFA signings which forced them to churn through an entire supporting cast (Kadri, Brown, Johnsson, Kapanen, etc.) Some of the early success like the Washington series and even meeting Boston are now looking like failures even though the Leafs were quite ahead of schedule.

A slower build, more of a program emphasis would have yielded a stronger team up and down.

Makar on this team...

Now you're making me think of 12 different timeline problems with not only the way this team was constructed, but a glance at a whole.
 
you find the money.

you LTIR, or trade Marazek

you shed Kerfoot because you can replace Kerfoot for much cheaper Bunting has proven that.

You Fire Justin Holl into the sun that guy is an idiot.

that's 8.8 million right there

you can find the money
Remember when everyone said the Salary Cap would go up so much that the Marner/Matthews/JT/Nylander signings would not come back to haunt us?
 
You still need money to upgrade the bottom 6
the bottom 6 is a secondary concern

they NEED a goalie

if you need extra money you can probably LTIR Muzzin, I don't really want to do that I love Muzzin but it appears that's where this is going that dude is hurt A LOT

Remember when everyone said the Salary Cap would go up so much that the Marner/Matthews/JT/Nylander signings would not come back to haunt us?

Nobody saw a world wide pandemic coming there is a lot....... A LOT of things to be critical of Dubas for I want him fired, but not being able to predict a world wide pandemic is not something to be critical of Dubas for
 
the bottom 6 is a secondary concern

they NEED a goalie

if you need extra money you can probably LTIR Muzzin, I don't really want to do that I love Muzzin but it appears that's where this is going that dude is hurt A LOT



Nobody saw a world wide pandemic coming there is a lot....... A LOT of things to be critical of Dubas for I want him fired, but not being able to predict a world wide pandemic is not something to be critical of Dubas for
That's fair. The problem is, #34 only has 2 years left and we can't move JT. We need to have a deeper team.
 

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