Post-Game Talk: Leafs Lose In Columbus

[wingman75]

You are reading it backwards, those are good stats….we don’t give up rebounds

Ha ha, well then... we are even worse with no reasoning at all... thanks for the correction. That is surprising to me... imagine if we were worse?!

Or is that because the pucks just go in the net? lol

 

[PromisedLand]

Same old story, protect the middle, play physical and wait for the Leafs to hand you goals on a silver platter.

Sure we’ll win the shot clock and xG battle but you can’t even beat a 4th stringer who’s a garbage AHL goalie if no one goes to the net.

Quoted for truth.

Twice in a row btw. Including the habs game

 

[LastOne2100]

I mean, that’s incorrect but I edited it for clarity.

If you sort the teams by goals against, the highest amount of goals against would be at the top of the list.

Sure, but that's not the way people talk about stats. If you are #1, you are the best. Being the best at a negative occurrence means having the least of that.

Being #1 in goals against means having the least goals against. Being 31st at goals against means you've given up a lot of goals. Our PK is one of the highest ranked (Top 5) in the league because it lets in LESS shots.

You might not like it, but you will confuse a lot less people if you talk about it this way.

 

[MSZ]

Till this day I have no idea why the hell did they make tavares captain. Its not like he was leading NYI to glory when he was there

He did have that series clinching OT goal in long island. And he was a Hart finalist twice. Hindsight is always 20/20 though. If everyone knew he would be this bad at age 31 no one would've signed him for this kind of money.

 

[The Podium]

Ha ha, well then... we are even worse with no reasoning at all... thanks for the correction. That is surprising to me... imagine if we were worse?!

Or is that because the pucks just go in the net? lol

Yup, goaltending is the real problem right now. The D has been good, not great, average playoff caliber.

 

[Mr_Fun]

There is no game to play. You brought it up and I challenged it. If your reaction is to switch the onus onto me it's clear you realize it's more of a "uh oh" situation.

Generally goalies who were playing great and then slump, don't get their game back together sometime during the season. I just don't recall seeing a majority of goalies who were playing great, not play great again during the season. Yes, it happens of course, but I honestly think the majority get themselves going again.

 

[The Podium]

Sure, but that's not the way people talk about stats. If you are #1, you are the best. Being the best at a negative stat means having the least.

Being #1 in goals against means having the least goals against. Being 31st at goals against doesn't mean you have the least goals against.

Being #1 in goals against means having the most goals against

Against obviously being the negative connotation needed to show it would be bad to be leading in that category

 

[PromisedLand]

No futures should be dealt to help this team unless they start playing a complete game with playoff intensity on a consistent basis.

Agreed!!!

Timing is everything. Sometimes you gotta be smart and know that probably this is not your time. Spending future with nothing to show is not good.

Quite frankly... There is a very high probability that Leafs face either Tampa or Florida. And similarly high probability that Leafs dont win that series.

As a "stats" person I hope dubas at least thinks about it before throwing away futures

 

[LastOne2100]

Being #1 in goals against means having the most goals against

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Against obviously being the negative connotation needed to show it would be bad to be leading in that category

You can sort that page either way - that's not how people TALK. Even in this thread you confused multiple people.

 

[PromisedLand]

This is it.

We know Campbell can get hot and be one of the best goalies in the league. We've seen it.

We just gotta hope he goes Vasy the last two playoffs and not Vasy against Columbus three years ago.

This is a false narrative. Tampa changed their team outlook; and their core bought in to playing hardnosed tough hockey instead of cute fancy bullshit that they were doing against CBJ when they got swept.

Dont have to believe me just read Tampa players, Cooper's interviews

 

[Clark4Ever]

Not sure why people keep giving this defense a pass. They are awful, definitely nowhere near what you would hope to have in a contender.

3/6 of our D would likely not crack the roster of any of the top teams.

They only look good when a goaltender stands on their head with a .940% save percentage . When we stop getting that, blame the goaltending!

We don't need a .940 save percentage to win. We didn't need it before and we don't need it now.

Campbell and Mrazek's combined save percentage over the last several weeks has been among the worst in the NHL. Our record during that time is a testament to our offensive and defensive play.

We don't need a .940 save percentage, but league average would be nice.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

You’re reading that backwards. Those are good stats.

You need to reverse your stats. If you are lowest (aka the best), make it #1 and not #32.

It's a Human Factors/Psych thing.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Scoring chance even strenght
Toronto 21
Columbus 14

High danger
Toronro 7
Columbus 3

All situation
Scoring chance
Toronto 30
Columbus 16

High danger
toronto 10
Columbus 3

That game was all about goalie, campbell . The good thing still 32 games left to campbell to find his game back and be ready for playoff.

But i just hope seing toronto to continue playing the way they played tonight for the majority of the rest of remaining game.

From the eye test, the Leafs dominated the second and won the back end of the third. The 3rd period PP goal by Columbus has to be stopped,.that's on Jack.

I don't know how "high danger" computes when there are three guys blocking the shooting lane, I do know what a partial break or two on one looks like. CBJ weren't the 76 Habs, but they cycled well enough, were like glue on our forwards and were patient.

Maybe Campbell can just take 100 shots off the rush next practice. No dekes, just tell his teammate to let it rip. He seems out of synch, not unlike where Andersen went over time.

It's very tough to play in T.O, he just needs to get back to basics. The team should be doing the same. Forwards don't seem as committed to two way hockey.

 

[Kiwi]

This place cracks me up

How hard is it to say our goaltender played like a complete jackass who couldn't stop a beachball if you handed it to him?

But no, it's always somebody else's fault, it's the D, it's the F, it's anything other than Campbell looking like a backup who isn't capable of playing a full season

Our D may not be great but I'd defy anybody to look good with this **** backing you up

5 or 6 Million a year I'd rather give the money to Ritchie

 

[LastOne2100]

We don't need a .940 save percentage to win. We didn't need it before and we don't need it now.

Campbell and Mrazek's combined save percentage over the last several weeks has been among the worst in the NHL. Our record during that time is a testament to our offensive and defensive play.

We don't need a .940 save percentage, but league average would be nice.

I don't know we would be sitting as pretty without that .940 SV%. Campbell stole us a lot of games to start the season.

Now he's just giving them right back

 

[The Podium]

You can sort that page either way - that's not how people TALK. Even in this thread you confused multiple people.

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Maybe that’s not how dumb people talk.

You are literally arguing that if you have less goals against you should be ranked higher in the goals against ranking because the goals against are bad and ranking higher in a bad category would somehow be good.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Not sure why people keep giving this defense a pass. They are awful, definitely nowhere near what you would hope to have in a contender.

3/6 of our D would likely not crack the roster of any of the top teams.

They only look good when a goaltender stands on their head with a .940% save percentage . When we stop getting that, blame the goaltending!

Honestly, delusional crap like this does not help you at all.

You are so far off base from reality, it is not even funny. It is just sad.

 

[LastOne2100]

This place cracks me up

How hard is it to say our goaltender played like a complete jackass who couldn't stop a beachball if you handed it to him?

But no, it's always somebody else's fault, it's the D, it's the F, it's anything other than Campbell looking like a backup who isn't capable of playing a full season

Our D may not be great but I'd defy anybody to look good with this **** backing you up

5 or 6 Million a year I'd rather give the money to Ritchie

It's almost like there can be multiple problems or needs for improvement instead of just one thing that will make this team the GOAT.

 

[LastOne2100]

Maybe that’s not how dumb people talk.

You are literally arguing that if you have less goals against you should be ranked higher in the goals against ranking because the goals against are bad and ranking higher in a bad category would somehow be good.

That's fine - you do you. Was trying to help as that's the way NHL broadcasts and announcers talk, and multiple folks in this thread were confused by your phrasing.

 

[MSZ]

lol Mike Smith

 

[Ciao]

Not much to celebrate tonight, but tomorrow's another day.

It's just a game.

 

[Racer88]

Agreed!!!

Timing is everything. Sometimes you gotta be smart and know that probably this is not your time. Spending future with nothing to show is not good.

Quite frankly... There is a very high probability that Leafs face either Tampa or Florida. And similarly high probability that Leafs dont win that series.

As a "stats" person I hope dubas at least thinks about it before throwing away futures

It all depends on how at risk his job is if the crap out 1st round for the 6th year in a row

 

[Cleetus]

lol Mike Smith

lol I just posted in the free agent thread about Craig Anderson! desperate times!

 

[VanW27]

We are the 18th (14th best) in high danger chances against and we are 26th (6th best) in rebounds allowed.

As I said, our defensive numbers are good because we’re a great possession team.

The stats can’t tell you the quality of the chances you give up. I get you’re using HDC but not all HDC’s are equal. An all alone, no back pressure 2 on 1 (like Laine’s first) is a HDC the same as a shot from the slot with the goalie set, no passing options, sticks hacking you and a guy on you back.

Far too many of the HDCs we give up are of the High-HDC variety. There’s a reason Freddy went from consistently terrible in HDSV% his entire time here then jumped up 100pts in Carolina meanwhile Mrazek went from excellent to horrible, 136pts below his career average this year.

 

[LastOne2100]

Honestly, delusional crap like this does not help you at all.

You are so far off base from reality, it is not even funny. It is just sad.

Man, at least debate, or tell me where you disagree. This post is just a waste of space.

If you think we have a top NHL defense, and that Holl, Liljegren, Dermott, etc have a place on a real contender, I mean, that's an opinion.

No one is saying that our goaltending hasn't been a huge problem, but being satisfied with the way our D gets beat constantly, can not clear folks from the front of the net, etc. makes me sad.

Look at Brodie just getting push away for a free goal in front of our net last game. Look at Holl trying to clear the front of the net. It's not good enough.