Proposal: Leafs-Hawks

[SFD22]

TO CHI: JVR (50%) + Carrick + Holland

TO TOR: Hjalmmarson + Kruger

Leafs add a linchpin to the defense and help out Hawks with cap. Hawks get a top line LW for Toews.

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[edguy]

Hjalmersson is far to important to the hawks to ever consider this

 

[dream43]

Chicago would probably rather keep Hjalmarson as he is a major part of their D-Corp while they already have Panarin and Panik on the LW

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

I would rather keep the #3 dman that has helped win 3 cups over taking a lot of "meh" in return.

Before anyone assumes I was saying JVR isnt good, he definitely is, but he isnt an over the top type of return that definitely makes Chicago lethal.

Hjalmarsson should not be moved for anything less than a significant overpayment that Chicago basically cant say no to, despite putting a hole on the blue line. Hjalmarsson is more critical to Chicagos success than JVR will/would be.

Hjalmarsson/Oduya were the top defensive pair for two cup wins

 

[SB84]

I like how he plays the right but has he ever been a top pairing D? He's a career 20 min a night D and he is an elite 2nd pairing guy but I worry that he will be miscast in T.O as a first pairing D. JVR at 50% is quite valuable and taking on Kruger as well muddies this a bit. As a Leafs fan I wouldn't hate this trade but I wouldn't love it either. Don't see this trade making the Hawks better right now anyways

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

I like how he plays the right but has he ever been a top pairing D? He's a career 20 min a night D and he is an elite 2nd pairing guy but I worry that he will be miscast in T.O as a first pairing D. JVR at 50% is quite valuable and taking on Kruger as well muddies this a bit. As a Leafs fan I wouldn't hate this trade but I wouldn't love it either. Don't see this trade making the Hawks better right now anyways

Did you watch the playoffs at all in 2013 or 2015?

He had all the top line assignments

 

[Randy Randerson]

TO CHI: JVR (50%) + Carrick + Holland

TO TOR: Hjalmmarson + Kruger

Leafs add a linchpin to the defense and help out Hawks with cap. Hawks get a top line LW for Toews.

I think if Chicago, or any contender is acquiring JVR its for stuff that isn't contributing to their bid to win a cup

Also not sure why the leafs want a 29 year old defenseman as the primary piece coming back. He's a good player, but his age doesn't lineup well for when we'll be (hopefully) contending

I would rather keep the #3 dman that has helped win 3 cups over taking a lot of "meh" in return.

Before anyone assumes I was saying JVR isnt good, he definitely is, but he isnt an over the top type of return that definitely makes Chicago lethal.

Hjalmarsson should not be moved for anything less than a significant overpayment that Chicago basically cant say no to, despite putting a hole on the blue line. Hjalmarsson is more critical to Chicagos success than JVR will/would be.

Hjalmarsson/Oduya were the top defensive pair for two cup wins

I think JVR actually is the type of player that could make Chicago's top 6 lethal playing with either Kane or Toews. Panik is playing way over his head, and looks like he's coming back to earth now

Doesn't make sense for you guys to trade contributing pieces to get JVR, and doesn't make sense for us to take back near-30-year-old guys either. If there was a deal here, it's probably futures for JVR - Pokka could be a nice start

 

[TorontoTrades]

Can't imagine Chicago ever moving Hammer.

Have wanted him for years and years but don't see it happening.

 

[93LEAFS]

Hjalmarsson and Kruger would be amazing additions to the Leafs. Hjalmarsson while not offensively described as a top-pairing guy, he is a top 5 defensive D-man who can constantly allow for the Leafs youngters (and currently other Hawk defenceman) to play in easier situations. He wouldn't be miscast in Toronto (outside of by idiot fans) because Babcock would know his true value and how to use him. Kruger is essential for the Hawks, he allows guys like Kane and Panarin to start in the offensive zone nearly 70% of the time, and for Toews to have very balanced usage. The guy takes a ridiculous amount of defensive zone starts and is a great penalty killer. He consistently wins the small battles and flips the ice.

While the Hawks could use a good LW like JVR, you don't trade two pieces that are so essential in making life easier for you star players. Whatever JVR does to make Toews life easier offensively, will be limited by the increase in tough defensive situations he has to play in due to the loss of Kruger. Or the tougher minutes one of Seabrook or Keith are going to have to take on with the loss of Hjalmarsson.

Leafs also get older, but in a deal like this, I wouldn't mind it, I just can't see it making sense for Chicago. Leafs have 3 defenders in their early to mid-20's who look like top 4 guys. Hjalmarsson would stabilize it. We also aren't doing it by trading significant futures.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Fan of both teams, Hjalmarsson is not replaceable at given what he brings and his contract.

He's also a top pairing guy who plays with Keith more often then not. Don't think Kruger is considered THAT bad of a cap dump.

CHI also has quite a few right shooting defense.

 

[go4hockey]

TO CHI: JVR (50%) + Carrick + Holland

TO TOR: Hjalmmarson + Kruger

Leafs add a linchpin to the defense and help out Hawks with cap. Hawks get a top line LW for Toews.

Very funny. There is no way the Hawks can move Hjalmarsson unless they don't want to compete in the playoffs anymore.

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

is it fair to compare hammer to adam foote?

 

[93LEAFS]

is it fair to compare hammer to adam foote?

The era that Foote dominated was fairly different. I'd say this, they are very different players but they perform the same role and are (or were) among the very best at it. Both guys anchored shut down pairings for elite teams, and are key parts of their teams winning core's due to this. Foote played with a physicality you don't see anymore. But Hajalmarsson shares the similar elite positioning ability, insane defensive iq and ability to win battles along the boards.

 

[russ4king]

Pass from the Leafs....Hammer is 29....doesn't fit with the core.

Need a dman under 25.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Pass from the Leafs....Hammer is 29....doesn't fit with the core.

Need a dman under 25.

26 and under is fine, the extra 2 years don't matter.

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

The era that Foote dominated was fairly different. I'd say this, they are very different players but they perform the same role and are (or were) among the very best at it. Both guys anchored shut down pairings for elite teams, and are key parts of their teams winning core's due to this. Foote played with a physicality you don't see anymore. But Hajalmarsson shares the similar elite positioning ability, insane defensive iq and ability to win battles along the boards.

this is a great assessment. the game has changed a lot, hammer plays foote's role that fits in today's game. Maybe his defensive playing style is better compared to Lidstrom's minus the offensive knack.