Post-Game Talk: Leafs give one away to the Wings - Lose 4-2

[thewave]

13 goals in the last 6 games

Yet the AM MM together propaganda machine going strong. How many of the 13 were PP BTW.

When they saw their team was going in the wrong direction management made some wise decision and rectified the problems. The Leafs have been so poorly managed the past eight years that they’re stuck in the 10-16 range.

Quoted if only for the truth.

 

[HellasLEAF]

The Leafs offensive woes starts and ends with Auston Matthews having an injury plagued, down year where he doesn't look healthy, interested, well conditioned. He's simultaneously not scoring at the rate at which he used to, plus he doesn't have the playmaking ability to elevate those around him while he's dealing with whatever health reasons.

People used to talk about Matthews vs McDavid and we can all concede the horse is out of the barn on that one. But next tier down? Nathan Mackinnon has 50 points on the year, and Leon Draisaitl has 45. I remind people we pay Matthews the highest salary in the league, and the expectation is hockey at that level... so we're basically down 25-30 points of production for whatever reason. You add those totals up to our 87 goals on the year, that gets you up to the 112-117 goal for range. That should be top 3 in the league. Right now we took a 100 plus point, near 70 goal man and replaced him with a 0.96 PPG guy, which is also where Tage Thompson and Mason Marchment are at right now.

That's some interesting math. Where did you figure that Yahoo fantasy lol. Is Matthews in your keepers or something?

I would encourage some Leaf fans to not melt down after every reg season loss, but to each their own.

 

[Stephen]

That's some interesting math. Where did you figure that Yahoo fantasy lol. Is Matthews in your keepers or something?

I would encourage some Leaf fans to not melt down after every reg season loss, but to each their own.

I don't think this is what you want for $13.25 million:

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

That was an embarrassing play and he should be ashamed. Especially given his status as the Captain and highest paid player in the league.



Not if they don’t score any goals

That's what I'm saying, they need to addl 2 forwards, a 3C and a top 9 winger.

Maybe for example try to bring in both ROR and Nyquist out of Nashville

Or Brock Nelson and Kyle Palmeri out of the NYI.

You need to be willing to give up futures to do that.

Because right now you got a 1st place team, that's getting the kind of goaltending that can win a cup.

I'd prefer a couple players with term.

But regardless they need to do something to load up the forwards

 

[Antropovsky]

Domi needs to get going to yet another team. He's not adding to the secondary scoring that our Leafs need!

Domi isnt adding secondsry offense?

Who else as scored without Tavares, Nylander or Matthews on their line?

When Matthews was injured, 11 million Marner was put on a line with Knies and Domi. They played 37.5 minutes together, scored 0 goals and allowed 1. There total expected goals was 0.8 xgf and 1.3 xga.

Yet people are saying Marner can drive his own line? Naa Matthews, Tavares and Nylander are driving their lines and players who play with them produce. Domi was producing with Nylander and Tavares this year when he was with them.

 

[666]

Domi isnt adding secondsry offense?

Who else as scored without Tavares, Nylander or Matthews on their line?

When Matthews was injured, 11 million Marner was put on a line with Knies and Domi. They played 37.5 minutes together, scored 0 goals and allowed 1. There total expected goals was 0.8 xgf and 1.3 xga.

Yet people are saying Marner can drive his own line? Naa Matthews, Tavares and Nylander are driving their lines and players who play with them produce. Domi was producing with Nylander and Tavares this year when he was with them.

Did you just try to use a 37.5 minute sample size to prove something?

 

[Antropovsky]

Did you just try to use a 37.5 minute sample size to prove something?

Want me to give you last years stats showing Domi with Matthews vs Marner with Matthews and without? Sample size is big, results similar.

You seem to have forgotten how many times i've posted it.

Guess what:

• Matthews WAY more productive with Domi.
• Domi way more productive with Matthews.
• Marner way less productive without Matthews.

 

[666]

Want me to give you last years stats showing Domi with Matthews vs Marner with Matthews and without? Sample size is big, results similar.

You seem to have forgotten how many times i've posted it.

Guess what:

• Matthews WAY more productive with Domi.
• Domi way more productive with Matthews.
• Marner way less productive without Matthews.

And as you have been told many times before those sample sizes are way too small to be meaningful. But this 37.5 minutes is your greatest hit.

 

[IPS]

We have less depth than ever up front and it is extremely alarming

We cannot score outside of our top 4 guys well enough

It’s been a problem that only continues to get worse

You don't get to have depth when you pay 4 forwards the amount we're paying them.

 

[Stephen]

Want me to give you last years stats showing Domi with Matthews vs Marner with Matthews and without? Sample size is big, results similar.

You seem to have forgotten how many times i've posted it.

Guess what:

• Matthews WAY more productive with Domi.
• Domi way more productive with Matthews.
• Marner way less productive without Matthews.

I don't think we need to draw any hard conclusions about Matthews and Domi in those small sample sizes other than the fact that Matthews and Marner get stale and predictable and lazy at times and both benefit from a reset.

Marner looks a lot better when he takes more charge on a line. Matthews benefits from playing with more sandpaper and power linemates which drags him into the fight.

Keeping them together when they're not playing well and connecting is a sure recipe to make the team feel shallow and short circuit the offense from the rest of the lines.

 

[Gabriel426]

I don't think we need to draw any hard conclusions about Matthews and Domi in those small sample sizes other than the fact that Matthews and Marner get stale and predictable and lazy at times and both benefit from a reset.

Marner looks a lot better when he takes more charge on a line. Matthews benefits from playing with more sandpaper and power linemates which drags him into the fight.

Keeping them together when they're not playing well and connecting is a sure recipe to make the team feel shallow and short circuit the offense from the rest of the lines.

Nailed it.

AM is a product of his linemates more than being the one taking charge.
Not saying he is not a great player but he lacks passion when he plays with soft players and plays with more fire with guys that’s willing to mix it up.

Really want AM to play with Domi again and see if these two can both pick up their games.
Max might be a good 3rd wheel on that line as he is willing to hit and crash despite his age.

McMann-JT-MM will be a great 2way matchup line for the Leafs.

Knies-Minten-Willie will be a great 3rd line that will take advantage of opposing teams

 

[Antropovsky]

And as you have been told many times before those sample sizes are way too small to be meaningful. But this 37.5 minutes is your greatest hit.

2024 5v5

11 million Marners incredible playmaking didnt result in an increase in hdcf for Matthews and its clear that Marners stats were significantly improved by having Matthews on his line vs not. While Matthews stats generally improved without Marner. When Matthews wasnt with Marner, Marners lines was generally outplayed by opponents (pretty bad for an 11 million dollar "playdriver"). Also, when not with Matthews, Marner primarily played with 11 million Tavares...which furthwr makes his stats without Matthews pathetic.

Marner xgf% with Matthews: 55%
Marner xgf% without Matthews 47%

Matthews xgf% with Marner 55%
Matthews xgf% without Marner 56%

Marner hdcf% with Matthews: 57%
Marner hdcf% without Matthews 48%

Matthews hdcf% with Marner 56%
Matthews hdcf% without Marner 58%


Marner hdgf% with Matthews: 66%
Marner hdgf% with Matthews: 53%
Marner hdgf% without Matthews: 50%

I don't think we need to draw any hard conclusions about Matthews and Domi in those small sample sizes other than the fact that Matthews and Marner get stale and predictable and lazy at times and both benefit from a reset.

Marner looks a lot better when he takes more charge on a line. Matthews benefits from playing with more sandpaper and power linemates which drags him into the fight.

Keeping them together when they're not playing well and connecting is a sure recipe to make the team feel shallow and short circuit the offense from the rest of the lines.

Marners stats with and without Matthews and Matthews stats with and without Matthews is pretty telling.

Matthews get a little better, while Marners get MUCH worse.

 

[Stephen]

Marners stats with and without Matthews and Matthews stats with and without Matthews is pretty telling.

Splicing those stats together and apart isn't really that interesting to me other than the fact there are times when they should be split up.

This November we saw a very successful version of Marner playing with energizer bunny energy, creativity, control.

Last year we saw Matthews simulate a number one power center with playmaking ability he usually doesn't demonstrate.

So mix it up when things are stale.

 

[666]

2024 5v5

11 million Marners incredible playmaking didnt result in an increase in hdcf for Matthews and its clear that Marners stats were significantly improved by having Matthews on his line vs not. While Matthews stats generally improved without Marner. When Matthews wasnt with Marner, Marners lines was generally outplayed by opponents (pretty bad for an 11 million dollar "playdriver"). Also, when not with Matthews, Marner primarily played with 11 million Tavares...which furthwr makes his stats without Matthews pathetic.

Marner xgf% with Matthews: 55%
Marner xgf% without Matthews 47%

Matthews xgf% with Marner 55%
Matthews xgf% without Marner 56%

Marner hdcf% with Matthews: 57%
Marner hdcf% without Matthews 48%

Matthews hdcf% with Marner 56%
Matthews hdcf% without Marner 58%


Marner hdgf% with Matthews: 66%
Marner hdgf% with Matthews: 53%
Marner hdgf% without Matthews: 50%


Marners stats with and without Matthews and Matthews stats with and without Matthews is pretty telling.

Matthews get a little better, while Marners get MUCH worse.

Again, sample sizes. They didn't play apart enough to be meaningful.

 

[leafs in five]

It worked in the past with AM. Why not try it. Oh because you think AM and MM are married and it's the only way even though the team has been shitting the bed since the reunion. Makes sense. Great take aways.

Answer to fixing bad results is do more of the same thing and hope for better result. Einsteinian level thinking

love that famous Einstein quote