Post-Game Talk: Leafs extend oilers' losing streak

[Clark4Ever]

Leafs apparently offered over $4m x 8 (and we al know 38 year old Zach Hyman will not be playing in the NHL), which makes the maximum delta of the deal $6.5m, which works out to $0.92m per year over 7 years. So, yeah, it was within a million per year.

I will always respect what Hyman contributed to our team, but in hindsight, I think his rejection of our offer allowed Dubas to improve our roster depth considerably.

 

[NinjaKick]

I think we broke the oilers guys

 

[ACC1224]

If what you got out of my post was "Marner needs to have his creativity taken away" then not sure what to tell you. And I'm far from a Marner hater, many times I have posted before that he is one of the most talented players I've ever seen.

He is.

I recall the play you were referring to earlier, if I wasn't in a semi coma from boredom I would have yelled at the tv, lol.
Wasn't a smart play and he would know that, Coaches will point it out when they go over the film and hopefully he learns to be smarter in certain situations.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Draisaitl has earned some flack for sure with his play away from the puck but, similar to McDavid, it's becoming apparent the team losing with it really only on the backs of He and Connor, that he's clearly disengaged.

If the Oilers are going to shake it up, I would definitely keep tabs on him. His production is no accident and even if his defense becomes average at best, his offensive production helps mitigate that a lot.

A change of scenery could be reinvigorating for his game.

I.e. if the Leafs wanted to move Marner in the off-season and, somehow, parlay that into an opportunity to land Draisaitl you really consider it. Drai's size and power game with his scoring touch are a rare combination.

IMO his play style is very similar to Tavares (except he's better IMO). Does not make a lot of highlight reel plays but is a smart player that knows where to be on the ice to produce.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I look at McDavid and Draisaitl and I can't help think of how Kessel carried this team offensively for so many years and the losing weighing on him by the end of his Leaf tenure.

Then you see him go to Pittsburgh in the perfect role on a good team and absolutely thrive his way to multiple cups.

I think that could be a similar story for those two guys.

 

[Aashir]

Does he put up 100+ if he plays responsible hockey? Serious question.

I also don't think people said ineffective unless I missed that, I took the unimpressive comments as not exciting, which I can kind of agree with, he isn't flashy, just efficient.

Easily…being defensively responsible doesn’t mean playing in the defensive zone 60% of the time, in fact it can be the opposite. But in reality, being defensively responsible is a bunch meticulous plays no casual will notice but it’ll get wins. If Drai were to play in a system like the canes or ours, I truly believe he’d a an average defensive 105-115 point player. He’d make Matthews or Marner or nylander 10-20 points better too. He has been shown pathetic roster after pathetic roster… he hasn’t even been told or taught to try and play d.

 

[TheProspector]

I will always respect what Hyman contributed to our team, but in hindsight, I think his rejection of our offer allowed Dubas to improve our roster depth considerably.

Right. I'm really not shitting on Hyman. And until his body starts breaking down, it will actually be a decent contract for what he offers.

But he clearly went for the money, and we will have a better shot at a title without him -- even at a lower figure because he'd never have gone below $1m, and we are absolutely getting his production for below $1m, and have $4.5m to spend on something else. Unfortunately, that is Nick Ritchie and Mrazek.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Right. I'm really not shitting on Hyman. And until his body starts breaking down, it will actually be a decent contract for what he offers.

But he clearly went for the money, and we will have a better shot at a title without him -- even at a lower figure because he'd never have gone below $1m, and we are absolutely getting his production for below $1m, and have $4.5m to spend on something else. Unfortunately, that is Nick Ritchie and Mrazek.

I was thinking of Kampf, Bunting and Kase.

I agree that Ritchie and Mrazek look to be wasted cap space at the moment, but there's still plenty of time for them to start contributing.

 

[zeke]

I look at McDavid and Draisaitl and I can't help think of how Kessel carried this team offensively for so many years and the losing weighing on him by the end of his Leaf tenure.

Then you see him go to Pittsburgh in the perfect role on a good team and absolutely thrive his way to multiple cups.

I think that could be a similar story for those two guys.

but man, what a difference between that losing destroying Kessel's reputation entirely, while McDrai's reps as "the 2 best players in the world" remain intact.

 

[rdogg]

Draisaitl's contract ends a year before McDavid's does.

Just imagine how miserable McDavid's last season will be in Edmonton without his elite scoring buddy (assuming Drai walks, of course)

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Leafs apparently offered over $4m x 8 (and we al know 38 year old Zach Hyman will not be playing in the NHL), which makes the maximum delta of the deal $6.5m, which works out to $0.92m per year over 7 years. So, yeah, it was within a million per year.

Hyman was a very versatile player, I think he's overpaid on the Oilers, but he would look better on the Leafs and works well on any line. He would still have been a nice piece to have and he gave it his all.

 

[ToneDog]

Draisaitl has earned some flack for sure with his play away from the puck but, similar to McDavid, it's becoming apparent the team losing with it really only on the backs of He and Connor, that he's clearly disengaged.

If the Oilers are going to shake it up, I would definitely keep tabs on him. His production is no accident and even if his defense becomes average at best, his offensive production helps mitigate that a lot.

A change of scenery could be reinvigorating for his game.

I.e. if the Leafs wanted to move Marner in the off-season and, somehow, parlay that into an opportunity to land Draisaitl you really consider it. Drai's size and power game with his scoring touch are a rare combination.

IMO his play style is very similar to Tavares (except he's better IMO). Does not make a lot of highlight reel plays but is a smart player that knows where to be on the ice to produce.

Imagine our PP with Draisaitl and Matty on the left and right sides. Sign me up if the Oilers consider a shakeup.

 

[PromisedLand]

Draisaitl has earned some flack for sure with his play away from the puck but, similar to McDavid, it's becoming apparent the team losing with it really only on the backs of He and Connor, that he's clearly disengaged.

If the Oilers are going to shake it up, I would definitely keep tabs on him. His production is no accident and even if his defense becomes average at best, his offensive production helps mitigate that a lot.

A change of scenery could be reinvigorating for his game.

I.e. if the Leafs wanted to move Marner in the off-season and, somehow, parlay that into an opportunity to land Draisaitl you really consider it. Drai's size and power game with his scoring touch are a rare combination.

IMO his play style is very similar to Tavares (except he's better IMO). Does not make a lot of highlight reel plays but is a smart player that knows where to be on the ice to produce.

Drai I would argue has more value than Marner not just in terms of cap hit/term but also in terms of on ice play.

The ask for Drai would be too large not sure we can afford it. They will probably ask Marner, Nylander+

No way in hell I give up Nylander+Marner for Drai

 

[ToneDog]

Draisaitl's contract ends a year before McDavid's does.

Just imagine how miserable McDavid's last season will be in Edmonton without his elite scoring buddy (assuming Drai walks, of course)

They could be the western version of the CBJ. McDavid would only have to suffer 1 more year before walking or being traded.

 

[PromisedLand]

I look at McDavid and Draisaitl and I can't help think of how Kessel carried this team offensively for so many years and the losing weighing on him by the end of his Leaf tenure.

Then you see him go to Pittsburgh in the perfect role on a good team and absolutely thrive his way to multiple cups.

I think that could be a similar story for those two guys.

Kessel wanted to be a Leaf; he signed an 8 year extension. We went scorched earth and traded him; he did not ask for a trade. I think Drai/McDavid might ask for a trade though

 

[Brobust]

I look at McDavid and Draisaitl and I can't help think of how Kessel carried this team offensively for so many years and the losing weighing on him by the end of his Leaf tenure.

Then you see him go to Pittsburgh in the perfect role on a good team and absolutely thrive his way to multiple cups.

I think that could be a similar story for those two guys.

The Oilers and the Phil Kessel leafs have a lot in common. And it'll probably end in similar fashion too.

 

[PromisedLand]

Right. I'm really not shitting on Hyman. And until his body starts breaking down, it will actually be a decent contract for what he offers.

But he clearly went for the money, and we will have a better shot at a title without him -- even at a lower figure because he'd never have gone below $1m, and we are absolutely getting his production for below $1m, and have $4.5m to spend on something else. Unfortunately, that is Nick Ritchie and Mrazek.

Ritchie and Mrazek can be dealt at any time if we have to. Also since we are not sure what will become of Mikheyev after the season is done i.e. whether he re-ups with us at a decent cap hit or decides to test UFA market that's not a bad thing. Similarly with campbell not sure what he will ask after the season is done to stay with us.

As a guy who calls out Dubas the first chance he gets; I will give Dubas credit for finding Kase/Bunting/Kampf that has actually added to Leafs depth and strong defensive game.

I just sincerely hope the success translates into playoff round wins. I really want us to do well in the playoffs so badly before both Matthews/Willy are up for new deals

 

[PromisedLand]

I didn't get to see the game. Was this loss all Dave Tippett's fault?

the extra man with empty net was Kassian while PoolParty was sitting on the bench

 

[Shooter2x]

Spezza needs some press box time. His defensive play is a huge liability right now.

People are focusing too much on Ritchie on the first goal against. Keep your eye on Spezza instead.

 

[7even]

I'd feel bad for Edmonton if it were not for their constant shitting on Matthews...

Your entire team sucks.

It's just that simple.

From head office down to the gd trainers. Replace them all.

I disagree. The Oilers are a well constructed powerhouse and should keep doing what they're doing. What they really need is a young, star goalie. I suggest Matt Murray.

 

[Confucius]

Kessel wanted to be a Leaf; he signed an 8 year extension. We went scorched earth and traded him; he did not ask for a trade. I think Drai/McDavid might ask for a trade though

We can't forget that locker room interview where Kessel just hung his head not looking up and mumbling "Maybe it just isn't working out here" I really felt bad for the guy, he didn't fit the mold but he was a star.

 

[Beaumaris]

Every time I watch Draisaitl I wonder how this guy manages to put up numbers.

But he certainly does.

 

[ShaneFalco]

We can't forget that locker room interview where Kessel just hung his head not looking up and mumbling "Maybe it just isn't working out here" I really felt bad for the guy, he didn't fit the mold but he was a star.

He was put in a position to be a leader of the team and he's just not that guy.

 

[blue stick]

 

[notbias]

Easily…being defensively responsible doesn’t mean playing in the defensive zone 60% of the time, in fact it can be the opposite. But in reality, being defensively responsible is a bunch meticulous plays no casual will notice but it’ll get wins. If Drai were to play in a system like the canes or ours, I truly believe he’d a an average defensive 105-115 point player. He’d make Matthews or Marner or nylander 10-20 points better too. He has been shown pathetic roster after pathetic roster… he hasn’t even been told or taught to try and play d.

Easily? it completely depends on what system he is put into. Does Draisaitl put up 100 points away from McDavid on the PP (he puts up a lot of points here) and on a team like the NYI? I don't think he'd do well in a defensive system like theirs. Saying he is easily a 100pt player away from the system and players he is with is a little out there.