Post-Game Talk: Leafs extend oilers' losing streak

[Clark4Ever]

Oilers board so delectable. Enjoy it before they string a few wins and be back to their usual insufferable selves.

I can't have any sympathy for them after all the incessant vitriol from them directed at us over the years. And it started long before we became temporary division rivals.

 

[ToneDog]

I don't understand the Draisaitl is ineffective or unimpressive comments. No he doesn't play anything like McDavid, he's not going to go 1v4 and somehow dangle everyone out. But he's ruthlessly efficient and accurate, robot like almost. If he gets to shoot his one timer on his off wing he hits the exact top corner spot he's aiming for 9/10 shots. His passing is so fast and he hits guys on the tape all the time. I've seen him make one touch stretch passes that hit guys perfectly on the tape consistently. I don't think he's the second best player in the league despite his production, but to me it's impressive that he plays a simple brand of hockey with such an incredibly high rate of accuracy.

Wouldn't it be nice to have an ineffective/unimpressive consistent 100+ point forward on the Leafs making $8.5m ?

 

[Oscar Peterson]

Wouldn't it be nice to have an ineffective/unimpressive consistent 100+ point forward on the Leafs making $8.5m ?

I wouldn't mind

 

[Drytoast]

I can't have any sympathy for them after all the incessant vitriol from them directed at us over the years. And it started long before we became temporary division rivals.

It's been going on since the 80's for crying out loud. In some ways, I get it. We get all the attention, and our fans pack their arenas when we are in town.

I mean get over it. We are a team that's over 100 years old and well established and we are located in the most populated part of Canada. OF COURSE we are going to dwarf you in popularity.

 

[TheProspector]

lol, here's Hyman's game last night:

How oh how will we ever replace Zach Hyman?

I'm glad no-one was around to see the tribute for a guy who played 6 seasons for us, never eclipsing 41 points, and left us for the dumpster fire in Edmonton for what probably amounts to somewhere around an additional $0.5-1.0m a year. It was about the money for Zach, he got what he wanted, and now we have a guy we pay less than a million a year who is matching Hyman's productivity. And will almost certainly better than Hyman in the playoffs, who has pulled a complete disappearing act in every single playoff series he's been in.

Good for Zach and his family. He'll retire a rich man.

 

[al secord]

I didn't get to see the game. Was this loss all Dave Tippett's fault?

 

[Marshy]

lol, here's Hyman's game last night:
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How oh how will we ever replace Zach Hyman?

I'm glad no-one was around to see the tribute for a guy who played 6 seasons for us, never eclipsing 41 points, and left us for the dumpster fire in Edmonton for what probably amounts to somewhere around an additional $0.5-1.0m a year. It was about the money for Zach, he got what he wanted, and now we have a guy we pay less than a million a year who is matching Hyman's productivity. And will almost certainly better than Hyman in the playoffs, who has pulled a complete disappearing act in every single playoff series he's been in.

Good for Zach and his family. He'll retire a rich man.

I'm not sure what the Leafs top offer to him was. I hope it wasn't within a million / year because if it was, big mistake for the Hymans.

 

[Twine Tickler]

Helped that McDavid, RNH and a bunch of other Oilers were not dressed for various reasons including Covid also.

Nylander shot of backboards, tipped by JT and kicked into his own net by Smith and TJ Brodie missing the net by a couple feet and have it bounce of a crowd and back into the net and an empty netter with 15 secs left looked more like 4 Leaf clover and lucky rabbits foot type luck in this one. Not sure I classify that is what good teams do.

Take the 2 points and forget this game ever happened and move on the next one.

The Leafs may have scored a handful of "lucky" goals, but they were all on the heals of good plays. Won draws in the offensive zone, won battles along the boards, bodies towards the net, and pucks to the net. You do those things and luck tends to be on your side more often than not. That is exactly how good teams win with consistency. They win the small battles within the game.

It's actually unfortunate for Smith because he came up big many times last night IMO and it could have easily been a blowout if not for him shutting the door a handful of times. Sure Soupy made some big saves as well, and there was that one wide open net that the one oiler attmpted to pass instead.... but on the same thought, Nylander was wide open in front of the net with a sprawled out Smith and elected to do the same minutes earlier.

Point being there were chances both ways, but we ended up controlling the lion share in HDCF%, SCF%, and xGF% which married pretty harmoniously to my eye test TBH

We seemed to score the ones that shouldn't have gone in, and didn't score on the grade-A looks. It was just an odd game.

As sloppy as our D-zone exits were, and just overall looking disconnected from the backend to the forwards we were still the better team and deserved to win that game IMO.

Having RNH and McJesus out of the lineup was a huge factor in us winning no doubt, and like I said it was far from a perfect game. Very sloppy. But there is undeniably some major rust the boys are trying to shake off right now. Has anyone played less games since mid December??? I'd be shocked if there is.

We've only had 2 games since DEC 14. Not to mention we had 3 players who were out with injury/suspension prior to the shutdown (Sandin, Marner, Spezza). So these past 2 games we've really gotta be pleased with these results IMO despite the sloppiness. These essentially have been training camp games that we have gotten all 4pts in. I see no reason to draw a negative from these past 2 games, even though the play was not where it needs to be.

 

[ACC1224]

I didn't get to see the game. Was this loss all Dave Tippett's fault?

Tippets, Draisaital, Hymans and Marners from what I can gather.

 

[al secord]

Who is Cole Caufield?

I think he is the protagonist from Catcher in the Rye

 

[TheProspector]

I'm not sure what the Leafs top offer to him was. I hope it wasn't within a million / year because if it was, big mistake for the Hymans.

Leafs apparently offered over $4m x 8 (and we al know 38 year old Zach Hyman will not be playing in the NHL), which makes the maximum delta of the deal $6.5m, which works out to $0.92m per year over 7 years. So, yeah, it was within a million per year.

 

[cupcrazyman]

Not our best game but the Oilers are starting to look like a lottery team once again.

 

[AvroArrow]

I didn't get to see the game. Was this loss all Dave Tippett's fault?

Honestly, I thought we looked horrible. We had 2 extremelyyyyyyy lucky goals. Smith kicked one in his own net off a rebound from behind the net, 2nd goal hit an oilers players stick and then Marners skate and went in. While we might not have "deserved to lose" I don't think we "deserved to win" Neither team seemed like they really dominated and we looked rusty as hell. Did not like Riellys game or anyones really. Just looked rusty and it makes sense given how little we've played in the last month or so.

There was no McDavid so I guess Tippet gets a pass.

 

[ACC1224]

I'm not sure what the Leafs top offer to him was. I hope it wasn't within a million / year because if it was, big mistake for the Hymans.

I doubt they had an issue with the yearly amount but I don't think they had any interest in the length.

 

[Duffman955]

Every time I watch Draisaitl I wonder how this guy manages to put up numbers.

 

[stickty111]

 

[CapspaceKiller]

Better hockey team won the game

 

[CapspaceKiller]

Every time I watch Draisaitl I wonder how this guy manages to put up numbers.

He's been routinely outplayed by Matthews and Marner the last 2 years. They are so much more dynamic and creative than he is on the ice.

 

[supermann_98]

Lol, that was a Jonus Hoglund level empty net miss, except McLeod put it under Campbell's arse while Hoglund would have found a way to somehow put the shot into the logo on the front of the goalies jersey

 

[axlrose87]

Marner often has the puck against multiple players all around and on top of him and still make plays, while the other 99% of the league would have already lost the puck or not had it in the first place.

Maybe people could write down what they want Marner to do on top of all that he already does, so we can know if he ever reaches these lofty standards that you surely hold others players to.

Much like people say draisaitl doesn’t pass the eye test for a superstar player….. Marner does not pass the eye test for an $11 million player.
He is good but it will always be the contract…….
Anyways, he is a good player on our team and he isn’t going anywhere. We need to get behind him and the entire team. This appears to be the best leafs team since 1993.

 

[Mess]

Honestly, I thought we looked horrible. We had 2 extremelyyyyyyy lucky goals. Smith kicked one in his own net off a rebound from behind the net, 2nd goal hit an oilers players stick and then Marners skate and went in. While we might not have "deserved to lose" I don't think we "deserved to win" Neither team seemed like they really dominated and we looked rusty as hell. Did not like Riellys game or anyones really. Just looked rusty and it makes sense given how little we've played in the last month or so.

There was no McDavid so I guess Tippet gets a pass.

 

[TGB]

lol, here's Hyman's game last night:
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How oh how will we ever replace Zach Hyman?

From what I understand, the guy played with heart. That was respectable. You rarely see that on the Leafs anymore.

Honestly, I thought we looked horrible. We had 2 extremelyyyyyyy lucky goals.

So many goals in hockey games are the result of lucky bounces it's hard to really use that as a quantifier anymore. Unless you see a game where a team is monstrously awful (like Ottawa) getting 10 straight bizarre bounces and winning (I can only think of one game I've ever seen like that), using luck as a scapegoat is kind of a moot point. Pretty much, oh, I'd say a little under half the goals you see in every game is the result of some luck.

 

[notbias]

You might be right, however there was one play he made that really pissed me off last night that I don't see getting much attention. Which was when we were up by 1 goal with only a couple of minutes left in the game and he made a no-look backhand pass right to an Oilers player who then transitioned it up the ice and created a decent scoring chance the other game. Same kind of cutesy play as when he tried to toe drag Eric Staal in game 7 last year in the neutral zone for no real reason and got burned leading to our first goal against.

I get that he's capable of making sweet plays like that, but I wanna see him play more mature and understand that there's a time and place.

If you want to take away his creativity, you are not going to have the same player.

Also, the play you're talking about was right after he made the nice steal to retrieve the puck, right?

Marner will make some bad passes sometimes, it is in his style of play, but the good far outweighs the bad.

 

[notbias]

Wouldn't it be nice to have an ineffective/unimpressive consistent 100+ point forward on the Leafs making $8.5m ?

Does he put up 100+ if he plays responsible hockey? Serious question.

I also don't think people said ineffective unless I missed that, I took the unimpressive comments as not exciting, which I can kind of agree with, he isn't flashy, just efficient.

 

[Oscar Peterson]

If you want to take away his creativity, you are not going to have the same player.

Also, the play you're talking about was right after he made the nice steal to retrieve the puck, right?

Marner will make some bad passes sometimes, it is in his style of play, but the good far outweighs the bad.

If what you got out of my post was "Marner needs to have his creativity taken away" then not sure what to tell you. And I'm far from a Marner hater, many times I have posted before that he is one of the most talented players I've ever seen.