Proposal: Leafs - Ducks
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I’m just thinking Dubas might do something like that , could be another player that becomes UFA 2022 .
Wouldn't surprise me, Leafs have a whole department dedicated to cap management and it's loopholes.
LTIR adds cap space, yes. However, the contract that creates it doesn't vanish off the books in addition to it. Kesler consumes the LTIR space that Kesler's contract creates.
Clarkson I was about Columbus preferring an ineffective player over an uninsured injured player. Clarkson II was about the Leafs trying to protect their LTIR space against a Marner holdout.
Clarkson I was about Columbus preferring an ineffective player over an uninsured injured player. Clarkson II was about the Leafs trying to protect their LTIR space against a Marner holdout.
Prairie Habs
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Yes, this would 100% definitely work. Leafs traded a 1st for 6M of space with Marleau, so they should do the same now with this completely correct and not repeatedly debunked misconception on how the cap works.
So if leafs trade for a player today cap hit 4mil and gets injured 1st game season ending . Can the leafs use that LTIR towards the cap ? Muzzin still on LTIR
Just asking trying to figure how this works
Ledge And Dairy
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The leafs today with Muzzin on LTIR, how much cap space do they have ? If he stays out rest of season.
Ledge And Dairy
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No they didn't rhey were cap compliant that year even if they suddenly traded both Clarkson and Horton. The only reason they traded for the 2nd LTIR contract was because of a potential Marner offer sheet and being unable to match it with the 10% offseason cap buffer
I won't step to deep into this one as i am no cap specialist when i comes to the intricate loopholes. I know you have to be cap compliant on day 1 of the season....
GAGLine
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If the Leafs trade for a player and that player plays for them, then that player had to fit under the cap. So you'd have to make that player fit first.
When a player is placed on LTIR, the cap ceiling is adjusted for the team as follows: current cap expenditure + player cap hit. So if the team is spending 72 mil out of 81.5 mil and the player has a cap hit of 5 mil, putting him on LTIR does nothing (other than free up a roster spot, but regular IR does that already). If the team is spending 80 mil out of 81.5 and places the 5 mil player on LTIR, they can then spend up to 85 mil.
Players on LTIR still count against the cap, so adding a player on LTIR without subtracting other players off the roster won't result in any added cap space.
Ledge And Dairy
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Ledge And Dairy
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Correct, and placing those 2 contracts on LTIR was essentially the equivalent negating their cap hit all together
Yes. The Leafs could then go out and acquire another player with Muzzin's LTIR relief.
What they can't do is use it to acquire said player and then activate Muzzin before the playoffs using the original acquired player's LTIR relief.
Thanks , just trying to figure it out . Still can’t
I feel for Leafs fans, honestly. Toronto media did a poor job of capturing the intent of the 2nd Clarkson trade. It was labeled as the Leafs creating cap space when it should have been the Leafs preserving cap space. I don't know if it was a rush to label Pridham as a competitive advantage for the Leafs or whatever.
Ledge And Dairy
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Basically LTIR doesn't directly add cap space it's a net neutral gain. Aka their cap hit in essence = zero
More complicated explanation: when a player is placed on LTIR the team uses ACSL (Accruable Cap Space Limit). Their cap is increased by the LTIR player minus the gap between the upper limit and the teams cap if said player was healthy (this is why teams try to get as close to the upper limit as possible before using LTIR). However that LTIR contract still counts against the cap.
Captain Crunch
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I’m confused because I don’t understand. Wasn’t Tampa able to add last season due to Kucherov being on LTIR?
Ledge And Dairy
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No they were able to add because Savard double retained and prorated might as well have been the same cap hit as a league min deal
Tampa's cap payroll sans Kucherov was under $81.5 mil. Thus, the Lightning had the space to add.
Toronto can use Muzzin's LTIR in a similar way. If they do that, they can't activate him until the playoffs unless there's LTIR-worthy injuries to other players totaling his cap hit. There's no way to artificially increase the regular season cap ceiling, which was the suggestion here.
Weltschmerz
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The difference between Kucherov and Kesler is Kesler won't be ready for the playoffs.
TO ANA: Dmtri Ovchinnikov + 6th round pick
TO TOR: Ducks' 2022 3rd round pick.
Who adds or is it a fair deal?
TO TOR: Ducks' 2022 3rd round pick.
Who adds or is it a fair deal?
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