Proposal: Leafs - Blue Jackets / Leafs - Jets

[Paradise*]

Only makes sense for Toronto, which was obviously your point. Keep these types of idea's in your head.

 

[Halla]

I think the leafs hold onto their first, and laugh at any suggestion of Matthews,Nylander,Marner,Rielly for Trouba.

that ship has sailed. Liljegren,Foote,Hague will be in the range of that 1st round pick, and they all project as top 4 dmen with top pairing upside

 

[Halla]

Yeah Trouba could be signed for 1 million a year and he wouldn't be worth Matthews.

Trouba still wouldnt be worth Matthews if he had an 8 year, 600k per contract.

 

[Paradise*]

Trouba still wouldnt be worth Matthews if he had an 8 year, 600k per contract.

Just had to get that in.

What does this bring to the conversation? Absolutely nothing.

 

[Halla]

Just had to get that in.

What does this bring to the conversation? Absolutely nothing.

what does "Matthews or bust" bring to the conversation?
curious on your thoughts on that. it's ridiculous and deserves to be treated as such

 

[johna2626]

I think the best part is that he thinks 2 years of JVR has the same value as Murray

 

[Viqsi]

I think the best part is that he thinks 2 years of JVR has the same value as Murray

But injuries!




General Rule Of Thumb w/r/t Ryan Murray Proposals: If you don't find his injury history to be an acceptable risk to take on, don't try to trade for him. That trick only works if we have a serious need to sell him - and we don't.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

But injuries!




General Rule Of Thumb w/r/t Ryan Murray Proposals: If you don't find his injury history to be an acceptable risk to take on, don't try to trade for him. That trick only works if we have a serious need to sell him - and we don't.

I'm telling you all, you don't want Murray on your team. He is always hurt and he's underachieved for a #2 overall pick.


waits



peeks



Are they gone?

 

[Maukkis]

what does "Matthews or bust" bring to the conversation?
curious on your thoughts on that. it's ridiculous and deserves to be treated as such

No no no, my man. It clearly says Matthews, Rielly or bust.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

JVR would get Ryan Murphy, not Ryan Murray.

 

[kunekune]

what does "Matthews or bust" bring to the conversation?
curious on your thoughts on that. it's ridiculous and deserves to be treated as such

What does protected 1st for Trouba bring to the conversation. Curious on your thoughts on that. Its ridiculous and deserves to be treated as such.

 

[Commander Clueless]

No no no, my man. It clearly says Matthews, Rielly or bust.

Rielly is irrelevant to the discussion. Trading Rielly for Trouba (or Murray) accomplishes nothing.



Also, as a Leaf fan, the concept of trading the 1st rounder is too traumatizing to think about.

 

[Maukkis]

Rielly is irrelevant to the discussion. Trading Rielly for Trouba (or Murray) accomplishes nothing.



Also, as a Leaf fan, the concept of trading the 1st rounder is too traumatizing to think about.

And? Trading Trouba for a pick accomplishes nothing.

See, this works both ways. If someone wants a good asset without giving one, we have these kind of threads. See: 90% of this board's threads.

 

[Northern Dancer]

Is JVR the new Halak, Ryder, or 2nd?

No I don't think so. Leafs are young, very young and still in a build mode. JVR is 27, has definite value and that is why Torontonions would look at trading him for a young defenceman. That is why his name pops up.

 

[Commander Clueless]

And? Trading Trouba for a pick accomplishes nothing.

I never said it did, but it totally does for the Leafs.

Trading Rielly, however, does not.

See, this works both ways. If someone wants a good asset without giving one, we have these kind of threads. See: 90% of this board's threads.

Who asked for a good asset without offering one in this thread?

Good assets were offered. The problem is it makes no logical sense, which is an entirely different problem that is also prevalent with 90% of this board's threads.

 

[LeafGm]

JVR for Murray somehow manages to be a bad trade for both teams.

On Columbus's end it's a bad deal because they're still a team in the middle of a rebuild and JVR's a short-term solution, as he'lll be a UFA after next season. And it's not like they could negotiate an extension with him either as part of the deal---under the CBA, JVR can't talk contract extension until July 1st, 2017.

On the Leafs end, while I do think the team should trade JVR either this season or this summer, I'm not interested in trading for a young defenseman that's had a fairly extensive injury history, and who's been somewhat of a disappointment (especially compared to some of the defensemen taken immediately after him) thus far in his NHL career.

As for Trouba, I don't really see what incentive Winnipeg has to trade him for anything other than an equivalent young defenseman in return. Sure, he requested a trade, but as the Isles demonstrated with Hamonic, and as Tampa demonstrated with Jonathan Drouin, that doesn't really mean a whole lot when your GM isn't willing to trade you away for pennies on the dollar just to satisfy your request.

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

That Trouba "deal" has to be one of the worst proposals of all time. Just awful. literally made me laugh out loud. Would the leafs trade Reilly for a single pick? No chance in hell they do, and the Jets won't trade Trouba for a single pick, especially where they are as a team right now.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

That Trouba "deal" has to be one of the worst proposals of all time. Just awful. literally made me laugh out loud. Would the leafs trade Reilly for a single pick? No chance in hell they do, and the Jets won't trade Trouba for a single pick, especially where they are as a team right now.

The difference is Trouba has requested a trade so he can play his preferred side while Rielly has not and is tied down for 6 years at a very good rate that will only get better.
Also Rielly is leafs only defensemen with top pairing potential sooooo ya not the same situation at all.

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

JVR for Murray somehow manages to be a bad trade for both teams.

On Columbus's end it's a bad deal because they're still a team in the middle of a rebuild and JVR's a short-term solution, as he'lll be a UFA after next season. And it's not like they could negotiate an extension with him either as part of the deal---under the CBA, JVR can't talk contract extension until July 1st, 2017."

So just wondering why we wouldn't wait until the deadline and flip you a 5th rounder for him - or wait until he hits free agency. Oh wait, JVR is a left wing.. sorry, pass.

 

[Randy Randerson]

JVR for Murray somehow manages to be a bad trade for both teams.

On Columbus's end it's a bad deal because they're still a team in the middle of a rebuild and JVR's a short-term solution, as he'lll be a UFA after next season. And it's not like they could negotiate an extension with him either as part of the deal---under the CBA, JVR can't talk contract extension until July 1st, 2017."

So just wondering why we wouldn't wait until the deadline and flip you a 5th rounder for him - or wait until he hits free agency. Oh wait, JVR is a left wing.. sorry, pass.

Fair points, except you think JVR can be had for a 5th rounder?

Even as a rental at next year's deadline the going rate for players of his ilk is a 1st rounder+decent prospect, presuming you're dealing in futures rather than a need-for-need type trade

See: Andrew Ladd last year

 

[mikeyp24]

If Ryan Murray never misses another game in his life he will still be injury prone and no matter how well he plays he will always apparently be underachieving. He is On Troubas level better then Rielly and I'm fairly certain Lindholm was drafted the same year and I would say that because Murray's 1 year with injury issues and Lindholms play that he is better right now. The ONLY reason he is not our regular 1D is because we have Jones and Werenski and not many teams have 2 guys that good that young. Murray was a 1st pairing and played great with Jones last year but a 19yo stud showed up and took the job (like he would have from rielly or trouba based on talent not handed handedness for people who will try and argue that point). Murray has also played great this year and only missed a few games because of a cheap elbow from Seabrook. He hasn't had issues with the same body part over and over so it's not injury prone or anything to worry about. Saying Murray is injury prone is like saying McDavid is injury prone he's not worth it. His last year of Jr he broke his hand or wrist in a fight if I remember and then last year hurt the collar bone. That's a red flag and not worth value if that's how we treat Murray.

Nothing against JVR I've always been a fan since my ex had me watch him in Philly because it was her home team and I have always fought for him to be included on team US for tournaments but he would have literal 0 value to the CBJ. He is not an upgrade over any of our top 6 and even if you believe that he would which stats would show he wouldn't, he wouldn't be worth a U23 top pair D. Not at 1 year and being 27. We have our veteran leaders and scores locked up and have no room to protect him and even if he was here it would be arguable if he would be worth a spot to keep and again that's not undervalueing him that's just stating real value to our team.

 

[Viqsi]

The difference is Trouba has requested a trade so he can play his preferred side while Rielly has not and is tied down for 6 years at a very good rate that will only get better.
Also Rielly is leafs only defensemen with top pairing potential sooooo ya not the same situation at all.

He rescinded that trade request a day or two ago.

 

[Randy Randerson]

If Ryan Murray never misses another game in his life he will still be injury prone and no matter how well he plays he will always apparently be underachieving. He is On Troubas level better then Rielly and I'm fairly certain Lindholm was drafted the same year and I would say that because Murray's 1 year with injury issues and Lindholms play that he is better right now. The ONLY reason he is not our regular 1D is because we have Jones and Werenski and not many teams have 2 guys that good that young. Murray was a 1st pairing and played great with Jones last year but a 19yo stud showed up and took the job (like he would have from rielly or trouba based on talent not handed handedness for people who will try and argue that point). Murray has also played great this year and only missed a few games because of a cheap elbow from Seabrook. He hasn't had issues with the same body part over and over so it's not injury prone or anything to worry about. Saying Murray is injury prone is like saying McDavid is injury prone he's not worth it. His last year of Jr he broke his hand or wrist in a fight if I remember and then last year hurt the collar bone. That's a red flag and not worth value if that's how we treat Murray.

Nothing against JVR I've always been a fan since my ex had me watch him in Philly because it was her home team and I have always fought for him to be included on team US for tournaments but he would have literal 0 value to the CBJ. He is not an upgrade over any of our top 6 and even if you believe that he would which stats would show he wouldn't, he wouldn't be worth a U23 top pair D. Not at 1 year and being 27. We have our veteran leaders and scores locked up and have no room to protect him and even if he was here it would be arguable if he would be worth a spot to keep and again that's not undervalueing him that's just stating real value to our team.

JVR is not worth Murray, that's fair

If you're judging JVR by his Philly days that is definitely undervaluing him though, and I mean measurably - 19.6 goal/42.2pts per 82 games as a flyer, 29.1 goal/58.8pts per 82 games as a leaf. He's a non-franchise 1st line winger in his prime with 2 years left on a sweetheart deal. No need for him in Columbus because you guys are deep on the wings, but to a team with need on the wings he's a valuable commodity

 

[mikeyp24]

Oh no I'm not valuing him based on Philly I'm saying I have been a fan SINCE Philly. Sorry if that came off wrong. I believe he is worth a late 1st+ B prospect or a lower teir A prospect and a 3rd/4th with Toronto adding a change of scenery player. I respect JVR a ton. Just the CBJ can't use him right now with Foligno Saad Hartnell Atkinson Jenner and the prospects we have coming up like Milano and Bjorkstrand. There is just no room.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Oh no I'm not valuing him based on Philly I'm saying I have been a fan SINCE Philly. Sorry if that came off wrong. I believe he is worth a late 1st+ B prospect or a lower teir A prospect and a 3rd/4th with Toronto adding a change of scenery player. I respect JVR a ton. Just the CBJ can't use him right now with Foligno Saad Hartnell Atkinson Jenner and the prospects we have coming up like Milano and Bjorkstrand. There is just no room.

For sure, the OP didn't consider CBJ's needs....or ours really, we have Rielly and Gardiner on the left side and our top 5 D prospects are all LHD

if we trade JVR, it'll be to a team like ANA or Pitts that could use some wing depth to contend for a cup. I wouldn't be surprised to see him re-signed here either