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zeke said:
how does the best player in the world get swept by a mediocre team and have anything to teach anyone about the "will to compete"?
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The same way you've argued that the Leafs outplayed and chanced the Canadien's. It's not all about the numbers or the will to compete, sometimes things don't work out.
 
meefer said:
The same way you've argued that the Leafs outplayed and chanced the Canadien's. It's not all about the numbers or the will to compete, sometimes things don't work out.
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The Habs was a 7 game series.

Not a sweep.

a SWEEP.
 
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JT AM da real deal said:
I would argue both Huberdeau and Scheifele are .. Stammer has 4 of 5 and Hyman or Horvat is my extra body to play on my 4th energy/defense line
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Huberdeau and Stamkos and Scheifele are far worse defensively than Marner.

Far, far worse.

and Hyman lacks the most important tools. certainly not a 5 tool player.
 
kb said:
Stamkos??????? A one dimensional shooter.....??

Mitch is 10 times better
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Mitch is nowhere near 10X better .. Stammer is much faster straight line in an up/down game then Mitch .. his hand eye is world class .. and he has a top 3 shot in world with OV and Matty .. Mitch is only a much better lateral edge skater that's it
 
JT AM da real deal said:
I would argue both Huberdeau and Scheifele are .. Stammer has 4 of 5 and Hyman or Horvat is my extra body to play on my 4th energy/defense line
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Still waiting for the list of these 5 supposed tools, that every one of the players has, that gives them priority over a far superior player in Marner.
 
meefer said:
The same way you've argued that the Leafs outplayed and chanced the Canadien's. It's not all about the numbers or the will to compete, sometimes things don't work out.
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A team that gets swept is usually not unlucky, just bad unless they ran into a goalie who just wouldn't give up anything and pitched 2-3 shutouts.

There is nothing to argue about the Leafs vs Habs series. The Leafs did handily outplay and outchance them even in the games they lost. Shit happens. Leafs had 13 shots in one OT and they had one shot and we lost. That's luck.
 
Pi said:
A team that gets swept is usually not unlucky, just bad unless they ran into a goalie who just wouldn't give up anything and pitched 2-3 shutouts.

There is nothing to argue about the Leafs vs Habs series. The Leafs did handily outplay and outchance them even in the games they lost. Shit happens. Leafs had 13 shots in one OT and they had one shot and we lost. That's luck.
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Ok, I've got two folks who are arguing me, I've got to revisit.
 
Which still, 'the SWEEP' leads me nowhere. You folks suggesting that a 4v7 data set makes McDavid a candidate to learn from Marner, sorry, I don't get it. As good as Marner is, and I do like him, I'd take McDavid every day of the week.
 
kb said:
Stamkos??????? A one dimensional shooter.....??

Mitch is 10 times better
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If Stamkos is a one dimensional shooter then Mitch is a one dimensional passer.

LOL 10 times better. You're an even bigger homer than I thought. :laugh::laugh:
 
meefer said:
Which still, 'the SWEEP' leads me nowhere. You folks suggesting that a 4v7 data set makes McDavid a candidate to learn from Marner, sorry, I don't get it. As good as Marner is, and I do like him, I'd take McDavid every day of the week.
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Wait, are people saying that Marner > McDavid? I guess I should re-think my ignore list, sounds like I'm missing out on some good laughs.
 
meefer said:
Ok, I've got two folks who are arguing me, I've got to revisit.
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There is nothing to argue. This isn't a team that gets swept by anyone. They haven't won a playoff series but they also aren't a team that is a pushover for anyone. Every series besides the Washington series (which quite frankly goes to 7 as well if not for Andersen and Marincin) has gone the distance.

I'd much rather be where we are than a team like Montreal who went to the SCF on a fluke and now is back to being the dumpster fire they were before COVID playoff rules.

I don't know if they will win a playoff series this year as well because the NHL seeding is just absolute garbage and will pit us against Florida or Tampa, two teams who are just as equally good as us.

Just enjoy the ride and be glad that there is playoff hockey every year in Toronto. We used to hope and pray for the Leafs to squeak in to the playoffs and count magic numbers and elimination scenarios in the Burke era after the lockout and we sucked every year outside of one lucky fluke lockout shortened season.

We're always in the playoffs now and a top 5-10 team in the league every year. Every year is a chance to go all the way as the team is an actual contender.
 
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Dekes For Days said:
And what exactly are the 5 tools that you believe every one of these has, that gets priority in your eyes, over the actual quality of hockey player they are?
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I could care less about PTS
1st SPEED SPEED SPEED - and guys who can fly with breakaway speed who can flat out take you when they want
2nd HOCKEY SENSE - knows where to go on ice, knows how to play within team/his line and thinks/anticipates game through faster than others do and always plays behind puck and/or man
3rd POWER/ TOUGHNESS /SIZE - this is GOD given and innate to all of us and manifests itself in strength on puck and shot and hitting
4th CREATIVITY/HANDS/SKILL - again GOD given but you need to be able to give and take a pass and finish .. too many guys I have seen with speed and size to burn but ZERO ability to score and get pucks out of their end on wall
5th TEAM FIT / STRATEGIC - most don't buy into it but lines which are successful all have it .. some guys are just lone boners and never seem to FIT and do things which help themselves but not TEAM
3rd-5th varies depending on many factors of team construction but #1 and #2 are CRITICAL
 
Gary Nylund said:
Wait, are people saying that Marner > McDavid? I guess I should re-think my ignore list, sounds like I'm missing out on some good laughs.
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Nobody is saying Marner is better than McDavid. McDavid sleepwalks his way to Art Ross and Hart trophies.

It's laughable that Marner has anything to learn from McDavid on effort, willingness to win, and defense when he's better in all three of those areas than McDavid.

This coming from a guy who wanted Marner gone and still wouldn't mind if he is gone.
 
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Dekes For Days said:
Still waiting for the list of these 5 supposed tools, that every one of the players has, that gives them priority over a far superior player in Marner.
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Mitch is and has always been since I have known him and his dad when he was 6 a short stride straight line slower SPEED skater and he has never had POWER to hit/shoot
 
JT AM da real deal said:
Mitch is and has always been since I have known him and his dad when he was 6 a short stride straight line slower SPEED skater and he has never had POWER to hit/shoot
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So for that reason you have Hyman above him? We criticize the players on this team for not getting it done in the playoffs when Hyman has been a part of that. He's been terrible under pressure every playoff series as well. He just wasn't making the big bucks so no one cared and now he's in Edmonton so no one will care.
 
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