Leafs are horrible at blocking shots. Does it matter?
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AlienWorkShop
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They are important but when is the big factor.
Personally I think the strategy of taking away the shooting lanes early negates the shot that usually would get blocked a lot. Doing that seems to force a pass instead of a possible blocked shot turned over going the other way for an odd man rush or breakaway
But that's just my two cents
Mickey Marner
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Interesting results. Blocked shots make up about 25% of corsi, yet those poor shot-blocking teams are amongst the leaders in CF%.
Edit. Nevermind, was reading the differential wrong. You would expect those teams to have good corsi numbers.
Edit. Nevermind, was reading the differential wrong. You would expect those teams to have good corsi numbers.
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You don't have to block as many shots if you have the puck all the time. Pretty simple.
Holls Blackmail
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Leafs are horrible at screening their goalie while attempting to block shots.
That’s the bigger problem…
That’s the bigger problem…
zeke
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Blocking a shot is better than not blocking a shot. But what's better than both is not allowing a shot in the first place.
crump
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Not sure about block shot advanced stats. Say what you want about Holl, but he blocks and tips a lot of shots out of harms way. Even putting his head in there once in a while. Once Muzzin comes back (at truly 100% hopefully) the blocks will be much higher in the playoffs.
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I feel as though blocked shots can be akin to faceoff wins in some respect - they can go unnoticed when they occur often enough in a game. That said, either can be crucial when they happen at a pivotal moment. A team having the puck all of the time is a nice idea but one unfortunately that isn't going to be rooted in reality all that much. Blocked shots are merely one element in a litany of them that have their place in, and effect on, any given game.
Morgs
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Blocking shots are like filling holes on a ship. If you don't do it, you'll sink. If you have to do it more often than usual, there's something wrong with the ship.
Having that few blocks can mean 2 things:
1. We're like the Sabres, who suck at everything
2. We don't need to block as many shots because we don't give up as many shot attempts.
In FA/60 (unblocked shot attempts against) we rank 9th best. The teams that above us are: Bruins, Panthers, Kings, Flames, Canes, Golden Knights, Penguins, and Lightning.
In CA/60 (shot attempts against) we rank 7th best. The teams in front of us are: Canes, Flames, Bruins, Panthers, Lightning, Kings.
In xGA/60 we rank 6th best. The teams in front of us are: Bruins, Wild, Flames, Avs, and Penguins.
What we see here is that typically the best way to prevent unblocked shots, and better chances is by simply not giving up as many shot attempts. If you compare the top-10 in CA/60 with both FA/60 and xGA/60 they're virtually the same teams besides two major outliers:
1. Vegas is 15th in CA/60, 6th in FA/60, and 22nd in xGA/60. This is because they block an inordinate amount of shots. They were lucky to have Lehner playing for them because they give up so many chances, but now that he's been injured they stopped being able to win. This goes back to point #1, blocking shots is good, but having to keep doing it isn't a sustainable strategy.
2. Minnesota is 12th in CA/60, 13th in FA/60, and 2nd in xGA/60. Now this could be simply due to them not allowing any good chances and forcing guys to the outside, but it's well known that the Wild's trackers typically put shot locations in the wrong place more often than most (similar to the Rags, but the opposite) which means they're likely not the 2nd best defensive team in the league.
Anyway, the first paragraph still stands.
Having that few blocks can mean 2 things:
1. We're like the Sabres, who suck at everything
2. We don't need to block as many shots because we don't give up as many shot attempts.
In FA/60 (unblocked shot attempts against) we rank 9th best. The teams that above us are: Bruins, Panthers, Kings, Flames, Canes, Golden Knights, Penguins, and Lightning.
In CA/60 (shot attempts against) we rank 7th best. The teams in front of us are: Canes, Flames, Bruins, Panthers, Lightning, Kings.
In xGA/60 we rank 6th best. The teams in front of us are: Bruins, Wild, Flames, Avs, and Penguins.
What we see here is that typically the best way to prevent unblocked shots, and better chances is by simply not giving up as many shot attempts. If you compare the top-10 in CA/60 with both FA/60 and xGA/60 they're virtually the same teams besides two major outliers:
1. Vegas is 15th in CA/60, 6th in FA/60, and 22nd in xGA/60. This is because they block an inordinate amount of shots. They were lucky to have Lehner playing for them because they give up so many chances, but now that he's been injured they stopped being able to win. This goes back to point #1, blocking shots is good, but having to keep doing it isn't a sustainable strategy.
2. Minnesota is 12th in CA/60, 13th in FA/60, and 2nd in xGA/60. Now this could be simply due to them not allowing any good chances and forcing guys to the outside, but it's well known that the Wild's trackers typically put shot locations in the wrong place more often than most (similar to the Rags, but the opposite) which means they're likely not the 2nd best defensive team in the league.
Anyway, the first paragraph still stands.
We should turn the puck over more and block shots 
Needs to be in context, we are one of the best puck possession teams. Good teams control the puck and pressure, bad teams are stuck in their own end playing D. Garbage teams are stuck in their own end playing D letting every shot go through to the tendy. We'll be fine.
Needs to be in context, we are one of the best puck possession teams. Good teams control the puck and pressure, bad teams are stuck in their own end playing D. Garbage teams are stuck in their own end playing D letting every shot go through to the tendy. We'll be fine.
I think it should be blocked shot rate.You should weight every shot from lethal to weak, sum the weights and use this as your denominator.
blocking more shots is not an indicator you are a better team, because it means the other team is shooting more and you aren't in possession.
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Yeah, I think Morgs has it right here. High and low shot blocks can be the product of different environments and situations. It can be useful, and it can be a sign of trouble.
Maybe you don't block a lot of shots because your team sucks at everything and your goalie is getting peppered.
Maybe you have the puck more frequently.
Maybe you're an elite shot blocking team that simply reduces the number of shots that make it to the net.
Maybe you block a lot of shots because you're always just hanging on for dear life.
Menzinger
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zeke
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There's a better way to determine blocks "skill" btw.
Corsi = all shot attempts
Fenwick = all shot attempts
So subtract fenwick from corsi to get all blocks, then divide it by corsi to get the percentage of all shot attempts blocks.
For example:
At 5v5
TOR: 52.59ca/60, 40.46fa/60 = 12.13bk/60 = 23.1bk%
TBL: 51.74ca/60, 39.54fa/60 = 12.20bk/60 = 23.6bk%
FLA: 50.49ca/60, 38.32fa/60 = 12.17bk/60 = 24.1bk%
BOS: 50.46ca/60, 38.05fa/60 = 12.41bk/60 = 24.6bk%
Corsi = all shot attempts
Fenwick = all shot attempts
So subtract fenwick from corsi to get all blocks, then divide it by corsi to get the percentage of all shot attempts blocks.
For example:
At 5v5
TOR: 52.59ca/60, 40.46fa/60 = 12.13bk/60 = 23.1bk%
TBL: 51.74ca/60, 39.54fa/60 = 12.20bk/60 = 23.6bk%
FLA: 50.49ca/60, 38.32fa/60 = 12.17bk/60 = 24.1bk%
BOS: 50.46ca/60, 38.05fa/60 = 12.41bk/60 = 24.6bk%
To what extent do they differ and which teams are known for overrating their players? Just curious not sure if there's an actual answer to this.
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