Confirmed with Link: Leafs acquire Dzingel, Lyubushkin from ARI for Ritchie, c.2nd... Dzingel on waivers &claimed

[Warden of the North]

I don’t really understand the Lyubushkin trade tbh. Don’t get my wrong I’m glad to get rid of Ritchie but I don’t think Liljegren deserves to sit, I think he’s been good. I think it makes sense if they upgrade second pair right side and then can alternate Lyubushkin or Liljegren depending on the opposition

Playoff depth and getting rid of Ritchie.

That's it.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

physical presence

The Leafs have seeming longstanding track record of taking anyone with the slightest physical presence and turning them into a shadow of their formal physical self.

The details as to why is unknown.

I assume it's the players, coaches and management that all emphasize other things.

Admittedly when your highest paid players are buttery soft, it doesnt promote physicality.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

I'm not sure why Dubas should get credit for having to waste a 2nd to get rid of that terrible Ritchie contract he signed in the first place.

Well said.

 

[GoodNewfieBoy]

Playoff depth and getting rid of Ritchie.

That's it.

yeah I guess I’m wondering does Liljegren have to sit now for this guy. Because to me it made more sense to nab a quality second pair guy like a Severson and leave Liljegren on third pair. But like I mentioned before, being able to choose which one of these two to play a third pair is a nice luxury (assuming the Leafs upgrade that second pair)

 

[keonsbitterness]

Watched that Russian guy get rag dolled by Maroon. Holy smokes, did Maroon ever seem like he was having the time of his life. It was in front of his hometown crowd and he milked it.

Putin?

 

[smitty10]

yeah I guess I’m wondering does Liljegren have to sit now for this guy. Because to me it made more sense to nab a quality second pair guy like a Severson and leave Liljegren on third pair. But like I mentioned before, being able to choose which one of these two to play a third pair is a nice luxury (assuming the Leafs upgrade that second pair)

No thanks on Severson. Did you watch the games we played against NJ this year? Guy was a complete defensive liability and according to Devils fans that’s par for the course.

 

[Magic Man]

The Leafs identified David Kampf. A player playing on the 4th line of a non-playoff team and made him their 3C. So far, it has worked like a charm. He doesn't have the offensive wizardry of other players they could have selected. But, he can win draws and play against other teams top lines with competent linemates.

I wonder if Lyubushkin is their next attempt at this. Could he supplant Holl coming from a non-playoff team's bottom pair and find a role as the #4D because he handle hard defensive assignments like Kampf?

 

[kb]

Well said.

So a signing didn't work out, and he corrected it in fine fashion.

It's not a second, people again resorting to distortions and outiright lies to try to make a case. It's a conditional second 4 drafts down the road if they don't take a third in next year's draft.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Did they put Sandin in the AHL?

 

[zeke]

So with dzingel waived we have clarity now.

The trade is essentially a 3rd for Lyubushkin. That may or may not be an overpay. He's definitely better than Hutton, who we gave up a 5th for last year, and I imagine there were other teams interested in him too. I guess his true value would be maybe a 4th rounder, but then again if a borderline playoffs team was trading a 4th rounder for him that would beat out 4th rounder so we'd have to add.

Anyways it's a slight overpay for Lyubushkin straight up, but maybe only one round higher than value, and that slight overpay is the cost of dumping ritchie's contract.

 

[Stephen]

Dont really get why people think press box players from the worst teams in the league would make our team.

I mean, Galchenyuk did.

 

[Menzinger]

Dubas' comments regarding Lyubushkin today seem like they will have him playing with the team sooner than later

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

According to cap friendly they put Sandin in the AHL not Dzingel on waivers

 

[TheBeastCoast]

nice way to try to spin it but we now have 8 D and Lilly didn't need waivers to be sent down , so what this means is the Leafs place zero value on Dzengal and he was only included in the deal so the yotes could clear some salary

I mean I agree that Dzingel is nothing special...but what exactly would the Yotes want or need to clear salary for? He is a pending UFA and they are at the cap floor. More likely is the Leafs wanted to get depth at forward whose cap hit can be fully buried in the AHL until a situation comes up where we might need him.

 

[Duffman955]

So apparently hes mostly played with Chychrun and OEL.

I like his physical presense. Seems to be a Polak type player. Not bad.

Could potentially be paired with any of our LD.

Maybe we shift to something like:

Muzzin- Barrie -> shutdown line
Rielly - Bushkin -> classic puck mover paired with stay-at-home D
Sandin- Holl - > very good bottom pair

 

[zeke]

The Leafs identified David Kampf. A player playing on the 4th line of a non-playoff team and made him their 3C. So far, it has worked like a charm. He doesn't have the offensive wizardry of other players they could have selected. But, he can win draws and play against other teams top lines with competent linemates.

I wonder if Lyubushkin is their next attempt at this. Could he supplant Holl coming from a non-playoff team's bottom pair and find a role as the #4D because he handle hard defensive assignments like Kampf?

Not the worst comp but Im pretty sure Kampf was getting true tough matchup and dzone start shutdown 3rd line C usage in Chicago.

Lyabushkin has been mostly a sheltered 3rd pairing guy with a slight uptick thus year into borderline top4 usage but still not on their primary matchup pairing.

 

[LeafsFan89]

Saw Dubas' presser. He is trying so hard not to laugh in the beginning lol.

 

[zeke]

According to cap friendly they put Sandin in the AHL not Dzingel on waivers

Both. They needed to put sandin/Lilly down until dzingel clears tomorrow.

 

[kb]

According to cap friendly they put Sandin in the AHL not Dzingel on waivers

They put Dzingel on waivers.

They still had to demote someone to get under the cap until he clears or gets claimed.

 

[zeke]

So a signing didn't work out, and he corrected it in fine fashion.

It's not a second, people again resorting to distortions and outiright lies to try to make a case. It's a conditional second 4 drafts down the road if they don't take a third in next year's draft.

Also we should be clear- Ritchie did stink but part of the issue is that every other secondary contract forward dubas signed were all so wildly successful that it left no room for Ritchie to even keep getting chances anymore.

Bunting kerfoot kase mikheyev kampf Engvall Spezza simmonds - every single one of them working out as well as could be expected this year, which is a nice surprise but not something we would have bet on coming in, and it just squeezed Ritchie right off the team.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

So with dzingel waived we have clarity now.

The trade is essentially a 3rd for Lyubushkin. That may or may not be an overpay. He's definitely better than Hutton, who we gave up a 5th for last year, and I imagine there were other teams interested in him too. I guess his true value would be maybe a 4th rounder, but then again if a borderline playoffs team was trading a 4th rounder for him that would beat out 4th rounder so we'd have to add.

Anyways it's a slight overpay for Lyubushkin straight up, but maybe only one round higher than value, and that slight overpay is the cost of dumping ritchie's contract.

Yeah if you say his value in a vacuum is a 4th or 5th, dumping Ritchie for next year upgrades the pick a couple rounds. There is also the chance that Dzingel plays for us despite being waived.

 

[hotpaws]

I mean I agree that Dzingel is nothing special...but what exactly would the Yotes want or need to clear salary for? He is a pending UFA and they are at the cap floor. More likely is the Leafs wanted to get depth at forward whose cap hit can be fully buried in the AHL until a situation comes up where we might need him.

your right they didn't need to clear cap , more like their broke ass wanted to stay as close to the floor as possible and it saves them some actual cash this year in the trade

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[hotpaws]

It's not a second, people again resorting to distortions and out right lies to try to make a case. It's a conditional second 4 drafts down the road if they don't take a third in next year's draft.

what lies ?

it's their choice of the 3rd or the 2nd

 

[Macallan18]

I mean, Galchenyuk did.

hahaha, stop confusing the issues with facts