Confirmed with Link: Leafs acquire Dzingel, Lyubushkin from ARI for Ritchie, c.2nd... Dzingel on waivers &claimed

[4thline]

Ritchie very recently cleared waivers , which means he had zero value around the league . I have no idea how much clearer you need his value to be explained to you .

And yet, we got two rentals at less than their price tag to a team that wanted him in the summer and plans to add him to their lineup.

 

[al secord]

The Bush Man commeth

 

[PromisedLand]

Now that we have Dzingel honestly I'd go something like this

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot-Dzingel-Nylander
Mikheyev-Tavares-Kase
Engvall-Kampf-Spezza
Simmonds

Rielly Brodie
Sandin Lyubushkin
Muzzin Liljegren
Dermott/Holl

Campbell
Mrazek

** Rotate forwards/Defensemen in and out of line up as we are set to play a lot of games in a short time in the upcoming months.


*spread out offense. You have to get more out of Tavares against 3rd pairing D-men and really low QoC where JT line should win competition on most nights.

*** Hope this plan works against Tampa/Florida

 

[MSZ]

Now that we have Dzingel honestly I'd go something like this

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot-Dzingel-Nylander
Mikheyev-Tavares-Kase
Engvall-Kampf-Spezza
Simmonds

Rielly Brodie
Sandin Lyubushkin
Muzzin Liljegren
Dermott/Holl

Campbell
Mrazek

** Rotate forwards/Defensemen in and out of line up as we are set to play a lot of games in a short time in the upcoming months.


*spread out offense. You have to get more out of Tavares against 3rd pairing D-men and really low QoC where JT line should win competition on most nights.

*** Hope this plan works against Tampa/Florida

I like these lines, last night looked like a typical Leafs playoff loss when the O'Reilly line completely shutdown the MM line, Keefe will have to try to spread out the offense again and hopefully the players will buy in. Otherwise it will be another quick first round exit.

 

[kevsh]

Rielly Brodie
Sandin Lyubushkin
Muzzin Liljegren
Dermott/Holl

Liljegren will get exposed against tougher competition, which is probably why Lyubyushkin was brought in. I imagine Keefe will try him out with Muzzin and drop Holl to the 3rd pairing with Sandin.

 

[PromisedLand]

I like these lines, last night looked like a typical Leafs playoff loss when the O'Reilly line completely shutdown the MM line, Keefe will have to try to spread out the offense again and hopefully the players will buy in. Otherwise it will be another quick first round exit.

Pretty much. Two playoff series in a row matthews-marner have been shut down. Keefe will have to spread out offense and create match up problems for opposition or as you said it will be another quick first round exit.

Liljegren will get exposed against tougher competition, which is probably why Lyubyushkin was brought in. I imagine Keefe will try him out with Muzzin and drop Holl to the 3rd pairing with Sandin.

I don't know man. Muzzin - Lyubushkin pair seems a bit slow with no puck mover. There is a change that the 5 man unit would get hemmed in.

Muzzin-Lyubushkin to protect the lead in the last 5 minutes or so should be fine I guess but not for the entire game; it could get problematic.

Also Muzzin has been having a tough time and has been injured both playoff series against CBJ and Habs; did not play in all the games

 

[hotpaws]

And yet, we got two rentals at less than their price tag to a team that wanted him in the summer and plans to add him to their lineup.

how do you base it was ''less than their price tag''

neither of these guys look like they can crack our lineup outside of getting a quick look and if there value was so high around the league why wouldn't the yotes just traded them elsewhere and claimed Ritchie for free since you believe they valued him so highly . lol

 

[Nylander88]

If he brings some sandpaper while still being defensively responsible, he should be given a chance. This is especially true if he enjoys getting to the paint.

The way I've always viewed a team being constructed is good balance, some innocuous additions on a team pay big dividends in the playoffs where character and sacrifice truly matter. Few players should have guaranteed jobs in pro sports.

Consider players like Kase or Bunting. No Leaf fan had them on their radar, look at the effort the bring each night, the fearlessness in going to the net. You know neither of them are going to take a shift off come playoffs. Dubas had to have specifically targeted them for these reasons, above and beyond cap considerations.

There are a couple of forwards on this team that I just worry about the presence they will have in the post-season.

Totally agree. That lunch pale and hard hat approach to their game is exactly what we needed to spread throughout this Leafs team. A team who has consistently crumbled when the going gets tough. When they can't skill around, and another team starts coming in waves physically, we suddenly get on our heels and look like we're just hanging on. You know Bunting and Kase...even Kampf, aren't going to do that. Dzingel is another you can add to that mix imo. I personally dress him over Engvall. He has a bigger resume of being able to produce, and has shown he'll stick up for teammates and himself. Skates well, can PK, and can play C in a pinch although not ideal. He's an immediate upgrade on Engvall imo. You'd have to think Dzingel would love to find the right fit as he approaches 30, instead of switching sweaters all the time. Could be a really interesting add, and add to that Bunting & Kase type effort

 

[Voodoo Child]

The prevailing winds from the desert seem to say that Lyubushkin was well-liked and adequate in his role as a crease clearing banger with little offensive upside.

Dzingel is a pure throw in.

But then there’s this idea that Ritchie can ‘come in and play well enough to up his value to the point where he can be ‘flipped for a pick at the TDL…’

If he goes and plays well enough to get flipped for a pick then good for them, but I don’t see how a guy who was spoon fed Matthews and Marner, made them worse, and when that didn’t work went to Willy and JT and made them look worse, somehow gets it together playing with Keller, Crouse, Kessel and Boyd.

Even if he somehow breaks the odds and puts up 10-12 pts before the deadline and they can get a 4th, it’s still better than the prospect of paying him 3.3 next year.

They should have tried to pull an extra asset out of the Leafs.

 

[hotpaws]

Now that we have Dzingel honestly I'd go something like this

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot-Dzingel-Nylander
Mikheyev-Tavares-Kase
Engvall-Kampf-Spezza
Simmonds

Rielly Brodie
Sandin Lyubushkin
Muzzin Liljegren
Dermott/Holl

Campbell
Mrazek

** Rotate forwards/Defensemen in and out of line up as we are set to play a lot of games in a short time in the upcoming months.


*spread out offense. You have to get more out of Tavares against 3rd pairing D-men and really low QoC where JT line should win competition on most nights.

*** Hope this plan works against Tampa/Florida

this is turning into an unbelievable trade , Dubie's a f***ing genius for getting a 2nd line C and a mid pair D who make less than 3m combined for a cap dump and a 2nd or 3rd

 

[TheScandal89]

Now that we have Dzingel honestly I'd go something like this

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot-Dzingel-Nylander
Mikheyev-Tavares-Kase
Engvall-Kampf-Spezza
Simmonds

Rielly Brodie
Sandin Lyubushkin
Muzzin Liljegren
Dermott/Holl

Campbell
Mrazek

** Rotate forwards/Defensemen in and out of line up as we are set to play a lot of games in a short time in the upcoming months.


*spread out offense. You have to get more out of Tavares against 3rd pairing D-men and really low QoC where JT line should win competition on most nights.

*** Hope this plan works against Tampa/Florida

Imo we're better off going after Statsny to replace Dzingel in that scheme. Dzingel playing #2 centre after he's been hurt for years and hasn't played up to the level he was in Ottawa shows himsTop 6 days are done. Hes also been a poor playoff performer and imo he is probably not gonna play for us barring injuries or Mikheyev/Engvall playing poorly.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Totally agree. That lunch pale and hard hat approach to their game is exactly what we needed to spread throughout this Leafs team. A team who has consistently crumbled when the going gets tough. When they can't skill around, and another team starts coming in waves physically, we suddenly get on our heels and look like we're just hanging on. You know Bunting and Kase...even Kampf, aren't going to do that. Dzingel is another you can add to that mix imo. I personally dress him over Engvall. He has a bigger resume of being able to produce, and has shown he'll stick up for teammates and himself. Skates well, can PK, and can play C in a pinch although not ideal. He's an immediate upgrade on Engvall imo. You'd have to think Dzingel would love to find the right fit as he approaches 30, instead of switching sweaters all the time. Could be a really interesting add, and add to that Bunting & Kase type effort

Who woulda thunk we could ship Ritchie out with a pick AND get serviceable players back. Lyub is the kind of player we need

 

[Holls Blackmail]

The Bush Man commeth

Dennis' take on Charlie's play.

 

[4thline]

how do you base it was ''less than their price tag''

neither of these guys look like they can crack our lineup outside of getting a quick look and if there value was so high around the league why wouldn't the yotes just traded them elsewhere and claimed Ritchie for free since you believe they valued him so highly . lol

Pretty much all deadline deals ever. Dzingels not much, but veteran depth forwards bring a mid-late round pick at the deadline. Big physical RHD than can play PK and handle matchup minutes bring something better. Some Arizona fans wanted a 2nd for Lyubushkin, others a little less.

We got both for a 3rd. We did not pay anything to dump Ritchie.

 

[4thline]

Liljegren will get exposed against tougher competition, which is probably why Lyubyushkin was brought in. I imagine Keefe will try him out with Muzzin and drop Holl to the 3rd pairing with Sandin.

I'd go the other way. Leave Holl with Muzzin, but lighten their load, use Lyub to give Sandin a more physical partner below the dots

 

[PromisedLand]

Imo we're better off going after Statsny to replace Dzingel in that scheme. Dzingel playing #2 centre after he's been hurt for years and hasn't played up to the level he was in Ottawa shows him Top 6 days are done. Hes also been a poor playoff performer.

Statsny's caphit is about 3.75 AAV; we may be able to make it work but then we will have to dump some combination of Holl/Dermott/Engvall/Mikheyev + pick to make it fit.

 

[PromisedLand]

this is turning into an unbelievable trade , Dubie's a f***ing genius for getting a 2nd line C and a mid pair D who make less than 3m combined for a cap dump and a 2nd or 3rd

He has played 2C in his career; it isn't like he would be asked to do something that he hasn't done before. Also, Dzingel is fast; the dude can skate and keep up with Kerfoot/Willy unlike Tavares

 

[zeke]

General board loves the trade for the Leafs.

General board spends so much time convincing themselves how bad every Leafs asset is and how expensive every trade target of theirs will be that they're always shocked when the Leafs get much better value in a trade than they predicted.

 

[Sypher04]

Liljegren will get exposed against tougher competition, which is probably why Lyubyushkin was brought in. I imagine Keefe will try him out with Muzzin and drop Holl to the 3rd pairing with Sandin.

no moreso than Holl or Sandin

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Liljegren will get exposed against tougher competition, which is probably why Lyubyushkin was brought in. I imagine Keefe will try him out with Muzzin and drop Holl to the 3rd pairing with Sandin.

Why will he get exposed against tougher competition?

He was great last night with Muzzin against a pretty heavy forward group in St.Louis.

Over 60% CF last night, and between 55 and 60% in all of shots for/ high danger chances / expected GF%, just a really solid night.

Had the turnover which Keefe was right to send a message about but the more he plays the more he'll learn to pick his spots.

We can't just assume he's going to play poorly against good teams without any reason for it. He's been better with Muzzin than Holl has.

 

[zeke]

YES, Leafs have missed BOGO.
Crease clearing, cycle stopping, check finishing and toughness was in short supply with our 7D.
Certainly was a missing element without BOGO. Just having a body that will force opposing players to play with their heads up with the potential of getting rubbed out will help.

Dubas recognized this before the season when he unsuccessfully tried to acquire 6'6" Jani Hakanpaa. Hopefully now he has his man.

But the Leafs have been better without bogo.

 

[4thline]

I see this as pick for Lyubushkin, Ritchie for Dzingel.
One straight rental, one change of scenery that sees us gain cap flexibility and depth, them a player they want and see value in.

 

[Sypher04]

He has played 2C in his career; it isn't like he would be asked to do something that he hasn't done before. Also, Dzingel is fast; the dude can skate and keep up with Kerfoot/Willy unlike Tavares

dzingel has been a far more effective winger than center in his career

 

[TheScandal89]

Statsny's caphit is about 3.75 AAV; we may be able to make it work but then we will have to dump some combination of Holl/Dermott/Engvall/Mikheyev + pick to make it fit.

I imagine the jets wouldn't be against retention for a pending UFA if they indeed become sellers. But he would make a much better 2nd Centre then Dzingel. I like the idea of spreading out the lines but I don't think Dzingel is anything close to the player he was 5 years ago, I hope he pleasantly surprises me.

Also as far as rentals go for players who can play middle 6, Stastnys price tag would probably be low as he is 36 years old. Probably a future 2nd + who ever we wanna dump for him @50%

 

[saltming]

What is Lybubushkin about? Is he a big man to clear men infront of the net, smooth skater?

I'm kind of hoping for a big angry Ruski who lays hits and is mobile enough to not get exposed on the counter, which happens quite often with the high volume of pinches that the Dmen and C go for in the offensive zone.

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