Value of: Leafs 1st

[Moorpheus*]

Just curious what the best offers would be, our only interest is defense.

Apart from the MNM trio, everything else is also up for grabs, so if you want to create a package using the team, feel free.

What would you guys offer for the 1st (+)?

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[snipes]

Why is TOR moving a potential #1 OA pick?

 

[Canada4Gold]

no

no

 

[kunekune]

Why is TOR moving a potential #1 OA pick?

Because it is the weakest draft in years in terms of top talent.

Maybe they can fool someone into giving something nice.

 

[Moorpheus*]

Why is TOR moving a potential #1 OA pick?

There is no shot we draft 1st overall.

Fun fact, the leafs lost 25+ games (28 iirc) by only 1 goal last year.

Considering how much better we are offensively, the defense being slightly better and the goaltending being upgraded, there is no shot they're the worst team in the league.

But hey, if people think they're worse than that, they're free to offer us a deal like they're getting Nolan or Liljegren.

no

no

Very constructive.

 

[paulhiggins]

There is no shot we draft 1st overall.

Maybe you should ask Floyd Smith about that one.

 

[dubey]

S. Crosby

 

[voxel]

There is no shot we draft 1st overall.

Fun fact, the leafs lost 25+ games (28 iirc) by only 1 goal last year.

That stat is meaningless. A bunch of teams lost 20+ 1 goal games. I remember counting the Oilers 1 goal losses and it was in the twenties also.

Leafs are definitely bottom 5 this year so that means getting first overall is likely.

 

[leaflover]

Remember when the Avs were a powerhouse?
They were able to deal roster players for good picks/prospects because they had an equal or better prospect ready to make his mark.
That's the kind (or close to it) of talent pool the Leafs should be targeting especially in a cap era and they're years away from being there.
No, carry on building with draft picks and development. It may not be the fastest way to become a contender but it has a good chance at success.

 

[Ciao]

There is no shot we draft 1st overall.

Fun fact, the leafs lost 25+ games (28 iirc) by only 1 goal last year.

Considering how much better we are offensively, the defense being slightly better and the goaltending being upgraded, there is no shot they're the worst team in the league.

But hey, if people think they're worse than that, they're free to offer us a deal like they're getting Nolan or Liljegren.



Very constructive.

This is asinine.

Thirteen games into the season the Leafs have absolutely no idea where they will draft.

It would be beyond belief that the Leafs would even think of trading a firster now.

 

[snipes]

There is no shot we draft 1st overall.

Tied for last in division right now. What makes you say "no shot" at 1st overall?

 

[93LEAFS]

Why? Just Why? This thead doesn't need to be made.

I'm probably one of the biggest leaf fans who posts on the main's consistently, but while we probably aren't a bottom feeder this year, we most likely fall in the 5 to 15 range. This means we are in lotto territory. The only piece I could see the Leafs moving this for is a top pairing RHD, and flat out, a team isn't moving that for an undetermined pick by a team coached by Babcock.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Trading your first round pick after finishing dead last just months earlier seems like a bad idea. Or a Burke type of move. Same thing.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Very constructive.

Not trading your 1st rounder at this point is very constructive. Assuming you want to construct a good team of course.

Glad we agree

 

[Halla]

keep the 1st unless we get blown away by an offer (#1 RHD)
we have a decent shot at liljegren/patrick, if not hague or foote should be in range

 

[jboknows]

Just curious what the best offers would be, our only interest is defense.

Apart from the MNM trio, everything else is also up for grabs, so if you want to create a package using the team, feel free.

What would you guys offer for the 1st (+)?

First off, you're missing a big name in Rielly from the "everything else is also up for grabs."

Secondly, Leafs would be moronic to trade their 1st round pick right now. No team is giving up the kind of asset you'd want for that pick, without knowing where it will be.

Third, I like how you say there's no hope that the Leafs get the first overall pick. You know that all non-playoff teams get a shot at that pick, right? Leafs could easily be a bottom 5 team when the year ends (given them a legit chance to move up).

The only way the Leafs trade that pick is if it's top3/top-5 protected, and as soon as those conditions are added, the trade value drops significantly.

 

[jboknows]

Why? Just Why? This thead doesn't need to be made.

I'm probably one of the biggest leaf fans who posts on the main's consistently, but while we probably aren't a bottom feeder this year, we most likely fall in the 5 to 15 range. This means we are in lotto territory. The only piece I could see the Leafs moving this for is a top pairing RHD, and flat out, a team isn't moving that for an undetermined pick by a team coached by Babcock.

Perfect post.

 

[Sojourn]

At this point in the season, the pick is worth less than you'd probably think. There are too many variables, and the value of that pick could vary wildly. Not to mention that the pick's value drops, immediately, if Toronto gets another significant piece(which I'm sure is what you're hoping for) this season. Teams would be betting against their own player with a move like that.

 

[Moorpheus*]

That stat is meaningless. A bunch of teams lost 20+ 1 goal games. I remember counting the Oilers 1 goal losses and it was in the twenties also.

Leafs are definitely bottom 5 this year so that means getting first overall is likely.

No such thing as a meaningless stat, although if you could provide proof that the Leafs were within the norm of 1 goal game losses, I'd be interested in looking at that.

They're barely bottom 5 in the east and let's also keep in mind that they blew 4 leads already, they could easily have anywhere from 4-8 more points.

Remember when the Avs were a powerhouse?
They were able to deal roster players for good picks/prospects because they had an equal or better prospect ready to make his mark.
That's the kind (or close to it) of talent pool the Leafs should be targeting especially in a cap era and they're years away from being there.
No, carry on building with draft picks and development. It may not be the fastest way to become a contender but it has a good chance at success.

That makes sense, but simultaneously if someone wants to gamble more on the pick and they have something to give back, why not?

This is asinine.

Thirteen games into the season the Leafs have absolutely no idea where they will draft.

It would be beyond belief that the Leafs would even think of trading a firster now.

Wow, I guess because you said it, it must be so.

Neither do the other teams, so if they think they're worse than they are and want to offer more, the Leafs should entertain it.

Why? Just Why? This thead doesn't need to be made.

I'm probably one of the biggest leaf fans who posts on the main's consistently, but while we probably aren't a bottom feeder this year, we most likely fall in the 5 to 15 range. This means we are in lotto territory. The only piece I could see the Leafs moving this for is a top pairing RHD, and flat out, a team isn't moving that for an undetermined pick by a team coached by Babcock.

You don't know that, let them make an offer, there seems to be many here who think they're going to be bottom 5 or even worse, so it shouldn't be a strange opinion around the league, therefore they can offer something good back.

Trading your first round pick after finishing dead last just months earlier seems like a bad idea. Or a Burke type of move. Same thing.

That's not a hard line rule.

The Leafs have among the best front offices in the league, they improved their D with the addition of Zaitsev, they improved their goaltending and they added 3 guys who could arguably win the Calder.

Burke's organization is completely different.

Not trading your 1st rounder at this point is very constructive. Assuming you want to construct a good team of course.

Glad we agree

Yeah, let's keep a pick that likely won't be in the league for the next 2-3 years and who knows what they'll develop into vs potentially getting offers from other teams, smart move.

First off, you're missing a big name in Rielly from the "everything else is also up for grabs."

Secondly, Leafs would be moronic to trade their 1st round pick right now. No team is giving up the kind of asset you'd want for that pick, without knowing where it will be.

Third, I like how you say there's no hope that the Leafs get the first overall pick. You know that all non-playoff teams get a shot at that pick, right? Leafs could easily be a bottom 5 team when the year ends (given them a legit chance to move up).

The only way the Leafs trade that pick is if it's top3/top-5 protected, and as soon as those conditions are added, the trade value drops significantly.

If a team thinks they're a bottom feeder and they want the pick, they would.

And if the other team thinks the Leafs are worse than they are, let them make a good offer. This isn't a bottom feeder team, but if another org wants to chance that, let them.

It's a weak draft, some of the top guys might not even be top 3-5 in the past few drafts. It'd be stupid not to listen to offers if a team wants to make it.

 

[CHRoNiCWiLL]

THERE IS A DRAFT LOTTERY
Remember this
1st overall is always possible

 

[Morgs]

Rielly is not to be touched either.

That alone should close this thread.

 

[D3ADLY]

You only trade the Leafs 1st if its top 10 protected with another player like JvR/Bozak and maybe a guy like Corrado for Legit return of Leafs need. Actually even than i wouldn't move the 1st and try to draft for needs and make a trade to draft up.

 

[Mattilaus]

There is no shot we draft 1st overall.

There no chance the leafs miss the playoffs? Because if there is then there is a shot to draft 1st.

 

[Breakers]

You only trade the Leafs 1st if its top 10 protected with another player like JvR/Bozak and maybe a guy like Corrado for Legit return of Leafs need. Actually even than i wouldn't move the 1st and try to draft for needs and make a trade to draft up.

Corrado???

Guy doesn't have any value