Lane Hutson Burgeoning Star Watch

[Bouboumaster]

how is Hutson ahead when Celebrini has the same amount of points in 9 less games? let alone 10 goals!! (in 20GP)

This, on a very poor Sharks team

Same amount of points while being a defenseman

Goal or Assist, it's the same

And the Habs are also a really shit team

 

[amnesiac]

Same amount of points while being a defenseman

Goal or Assist, it's the same

And the Habs are also a really shit team

no, goals and assists are not the same believe it or not..... and again, hes played 9 less games

If Macklin was a Hab youd be the first to say exactly that

Both have been great regardless

 

[danisonfire]

no, goals and assists are not the same believe it or not..... and again, hes played 9 less games

If Macklin was a Hab youd be the first to say exactly that

Both have been great regardless

One is a F and the other is a D. I would expect Celebrini to have more points, naturally. Celebrini is great. I watched him many times as he was Hutson's teammate. He would probably be around Michkov's point total with those 9 missed games. That being said, Hutson is producing at an extremely high rate for a rookie D.

The second highest scoring rookie D has 5 points. There are 9 rookie forwards at 10 points or more. 12 if you drop the number to 9 points.

Getting 19 points from your rookie D is noteworthy when the next highest guy is at 5 points.

Hutson has more total points (19) than the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th highest rookie D added together (18)

 

[amnesiac]

One is a F and the other is a D. I would expect Celebrini to have more points, naturally. Celebrini is great. I watched him many times as he was Hutson's teammate. He would probably be around Michkov's point total with those 9 missed games. That being said, Hutson is producing at an extremely high rate for a rookie D.

The second highest scoring rookie D has 5 points. There are 9 rookie forwards at 10 points or more. 12 if you drop the number to 9 points. Getting 19 points from your rookie D is noteworthy when the next highest guy is at 5 points.

I’m not disagreeing with any of that, but it doesn’t make him clearly ahead of Celebrini right now for the Calder. He’s easily 3rd ahead of Wolf and Stankoven for me.

 

[danisonfire]

I agree, but it doesn’t make him clearly ahead of Celebrini right now for the Calder. He’s easily 3rd ahead of Wolf or Stankoven for me.

He is definitely in the mix and it really wouldn't be crazy to have him #1. I can see arguments for them all. The race is basically Michkov, Celebrini and Hutson at this point in time.

Hutson has more total points (19) than the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th highest rookie D added together (18). He is tied for second in total points as a rookie (all positions).

 

[Phrasing]

Same amount of points while being a defenseman

Goal or Assist, it's the same

And the Habs are also a really shit team

Goals and assists are not the same….

 

[amnesiac]

He is definitely in the mix and it really wouldn't be crazy to have him #1. I can see arguments for them all. The race is basically Michkov, Celebrini and Hutson at this point in time.

Hutson has more total points (19) than the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th highest rookie D added together (18). He is tied for second in total points as a rookie (all positions).

And what I’m saying is Celebrini’s 10G 19P in 20 GP on SJ is superior to Hutson’s 0G 19A in 29 GP so far

I really don’t need convincing that Hutson has looked great as an offensive Dman. He’s on par with Quinn Hughes’ rookie season which is as good as you can hope for…. Defensively he’s been ok, but not as good as say Faber was last year (defensively)

 

[Phrasing]

And what I’m saying is Celebrini’s 10G 19P in 20 GP on SJ is superior to Hutson’s 0G 19A in 29 GP so far

I really don’t need convincing that Hutson has looked great as an offensive Dman. He’s on par with Quinn Hughes’ rookie season which is as good as you can hope for…. Defensively he’s been ok, but not as good as say Faber was last year.

Quinn Hughes was in his draft+1 year and Hutson is in draft+2. Not exactly apples to apples. They both entered into terrible teams and had a tough time defensively and I think that is similar.

 

[danisonfire]

And what I’m saying is Celebrini’s 10G 19P in 20 GP on SJ is superior to Hutson’s 0G 19A in 29 GP so far

I really don’t need convincing that Hutson has looked great as an offensive Dman. He’s on par with Quinn Hughes rookie season…. Defensively he’s been ok, but not as good as say Faber was last year.

I get what you are trying to say. I am saying when compared to their other rookie piers one of them is miles above his piers totals (4 closest piers have less total points added together). That is something the voters take into account.

In order for a D to win that award they have to blow away their piers or be close to the highest forwards. They have to set themselves apart in some way Celebrini in the same sense will be punished for missing those games and will have to at some point catch up (or closer) to Michkov. I think Celebrini is the more complete player by far compared to Michkov, but Michkov go burrrr and that is all that award seems to value.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Has to be a couple more head fakes to get us going.

then sign him to 8yr/92m deal.

I’m not disagreeing with any of that, but it doesn’t make him clearly ahead of Celebrini right now for the Calder. He’s easily 3rd ahead of Wolf and Stankoven for me.

I think thats fair.

Hutson is awesome and is having an awesome year, but that doesn't mean that there aren't other rookies having better season than him.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Quinn Hughes was in his draft+1 year and Hutson is in draft+2. Not exactly apples to apples. They both entered into terrible teams and had a tough time defensively and I think that is similar.

Hughes was 19 years, 11 months, 17 days old on Oct 1 of his rookie season.

Hutson was 20 years, 8 months old on Oct 1 of his rookie season.

Total non factor. Separated by about 250 days.

 

[Bouboumaster]

no, goals and assists are not the same believe it or not..... and again, hes played 9 less games

If Macklin was a Hab youd be the first to say exactly that

Both have been great regardless

Goal and assist (meaning that a teammate score a goal) is same value, because without assist there's no goal, believe it or not

9 game less, fair, but Hutson is a defenseman

Maybe, maybe not, we'll never know

Agree

Goals and assists are not the same….

Except they are

 

[Quinning]

I hope he goes for 0 goals 50 assists this year.

 

[dgibb10]

Hughes was 19 years, 11 months, 17 days old on Oct 1 of his rookie season.

Hutson was 20 years, 8 months old on Oct 1 of his rookie season.

Total non factor. Separated by about 250 days.

Be real.

250 days is 100% a factor at that age and stage of development

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Hutson has been amazing this year, Montreal's best defenseman and probably their 2nd or 3rd best player.

That being said, Celebrini and Michkov are having better years so far.

Unfortunately you can have as good a shift as you want (and that is pretty much as good a shift as someone can possibly have), but if you're playing with Dvorak, Gallagher, and Anderson you can't make them grow a set of hands by osmosis.

 

[Joe n]

Goal and assist (meaning that a teammate score a goal) is same value, because without assist there's no goal, believe it or not

9 game less, fair, but Hutson is a defenseman

Maybe, maybe not, we'll never know

Agree



Except they are

Unassisted goals don't exist?

 

[Bouboumaster]

Unassisted goals don't exist?

Goal are worth 2 points now?
Assisted goals could have been done unassisted?

 

[Frank Drebin]

What about un goaled assists

 

[Golden_Jet]

Hughes was 19 years, 11 months, 17 days old on Oct 1 of his rookie season.

Hutson was 20 years, 8 months old on Oct 1 of his rookie season.

Total non factor. Separated by about 250 days.

One more year of development. It is a factor at that age level.

 

[danisonfire]

Goal are worth 2 points now?
Assisted goals could have been done unassisted?

Setting someone up with a tape to tape pass, for a
free goal, into a wide open net; is obviously worth less than having the puck hit your shin pad and go into the net. It is known.

 

[dgibb10]

Are we fr trying to argue a secondary assist is equivalent to a goal? Have some shame.

 

[danisonfire]

Are we fr trying to argue a secondary assist is equivalent to a goal? Have some shame.

Did you keep the puck in at the line, skate around two players, and make a perfect pass that opened up all of the space that led to the eventual goal?

Or did you touch the puck 20 seconds ago and get lucky?

So many factors that stat watchers often miss while speaking in absolutes.

 

[Frank Drebin]

One more year of development. It is a factor at that age level.

fair point

 

[dgibb10]

Did you keep the puck in at the line, skate around two players, and make a perfect pass that opened up all of the space that led to the eventual goal?

Or did you touch the puck 20 seconds ago and get lucky?

So many factors that stat watchers often miss.

Are we actually going to pretend that that's what we're talking about here?

I went through his assists.

Vs Ducks: good keep on the PP, Suzuki makes the play to Laine.

Vs Capitals: Hutson makes a 10 foot pass from behind his own net to Newhook. Newhook skates it to center, passes to caufield at the blueline, who enters the zone and passes it back to Newhook who scores.

Vs Nashville: 5 on 3, simple cross ice pass to Laine, who takes a few seconds to gather and then snipes

Vs Islanders: PP, pretty simple PP game of making passes back and forth between laine on the left and suzuki on the right with Hutson as the guy in the middle between them. Pretty simple pass to Laine who takes a second and snipes ot

Vs Boston:

1st: puck cleared by bos, d partner over to hutson, who passes it into evans as he comes outside the blueline, who then skates in and moves it over to a emil who scores

2nd: on a attempted cross crease pass by boston, the puck tips off hutsons stick slightly. Suzuki grabs it out of the corner, skates it out of the zone, all the way into bostons zone and makes a nice pass to caufield who buries it.

Vs NYR: this one is nice. Great keep at the line, leaving NYR flat footed starting their breakout as the puck goes to caufield who then makes a nice feed back to hutson charging in, who then finds an open suzuki with a pretty cross crease pass for the primary assist.

Vs CBJ on the 27th:

OT play where Suzuki knocks down Johnson on a rush, allowing hutson to grab the puck and start to skate on a 2 on 1. Since Johnson is out of the play Hutson is able to make a nice drop pass to suzuki who steps up and fires it home.

Vs CBJ on the 16th:

4 on 4. Faceoff won back to hutson who makes a simple pass over to his d partner. Slapshot from matheson tipped in by anderson

Vs Buff

1st: PP, shot from the point heading wide directed in by Caufield

2nd: Puck comes out to hutson at the blueline, pass over to Heinemen at the point who steps in and scores

Vs Tor: PP, Puck comes out to hutson, over to the right boards for Heinemen who shoots, and gallagher puts the rebound in.

I've gone back more than a month and have not found anything even close to what you're suggesting is happening for his secondary assists. The NYR one is the only thing resembling it and that was a primary assist. These are pretty normal PPQB and dman points tbh.


He has been good, especially since november started an especially as a power play QB, but let's not lie about how he's getting his points shall we?

 

[danisonfire]

Are we actually going to pretend that that's what we're talking about here?

I went through his assists.

Vs Ducks: good keep on the PP, Suzuki makes the play to Laine.

Vs Capitals: Hutson makes a 10 foot pass from behind his own net to Newhook. Newhook skates it to center, passes to caufield at the blueline, who enters the zone and passes it back to Newhook who scores.

Vs Nashville: 5 on 3, simple cross ice pass to Laine, who takes a few seconds to gather and then snipes

Vs Islanders: PP, pretty simple PP game of making passes back and forth between laine on the left and suzuki on the right with Hutson as the guy in the middle between them. Pretty simple pass to Laine who takes a second and snipes ot

Vs Boston:

1st: puck cleared by bos, d partner over to hutson, who passes it into evans as he comes outside the blueline, who then skates in and moves it over to a emil who scores

2nd: on a attempted cross crease pass by boston, the puck tips off hutsons stick slightly. Suzuki grabs it out of the corner, skates it out of the zone, all the way into bostons zone and makes a nice pass to caufield who buries it.

Vs NYR: this one is nice. Great keep at the line, leaving NYR flat footed starting their breakout as the puck goes to caufield who then makes a nice feed back to hutson charging in, who then finds an open suzuki with a pretty cross crease pass for the primary assist.

Vs CBJ on the 27th:

OT play where Suzuki knocks down Johnson on a rush, allowing hutson to grab the puck and start to skate on a 2 on 1. Since Johnson is out of the play Hutson is able to make a nice drop pass to suzuki who steps up and fires it home.

Vs CBJ on the 16th:

4 on 4. Faceoff won back to hutson who makes a simple pass over to his d partner. Slapshot from matheson tipped in by anderson

Vs Buff

1st: PP, shot from the point heading wide directed in by Caufield

2nd: Puck comes out to hutson at the blueline, pass over to Heinemen at the point who steps in and scores

Vs Tor: PP, Puck comes out to hutson, over to the right boards for Heinemen who shoots, and gallagher puts the rebound in.

I've gone back more than a month and have not found anything even close to what you're suggesting is happening for his secondary assists. The NYR one is the only thing resembling it and that was a primary assist. These are pretty normal PPQB and dman points tbh.


He has been good, especially since november started an especially as a power play QB, but let's not lie about how he's getting his points shall we

I wasn't the one that made the claim in this thread that a goal is worth more than an assist. Nevermind a secondary assist. They were speaking about primary assists as well. I was simply point out that talking in absolutes is laughable. I can think of numerous situations where an assist was more valuable than the goal having actually played hockey and received said passes.

All I see are weak attempts to discredit a rookie D that has 14 more points more than the second highest rookie D.