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News Article: Lafreniere, expected No. 1 pick in 2020 NHL Draft, to skip QMJHL season

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nyr2k2 said:
I'm just saying, I think it's pretty well established that having a great mind for playing the game doesn't necessarily make you a good talent evaluator, coach, analyst, etc. Whatever.
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hey Wayne Friggen Gretzky I’m not going to entertain your opinion for conversation on this Canadian hockey player you’ve met and seen play because Joe From HF Boards doesn’t think you’re a good talent evaluator.

that’s literally the argument here lol
 
Kovalev27 said:
hey Wayne Friggen Gretzky I’m not going to entertain your opinion for conversation on this Canadian hockey player you’ve met and seen play because Joe From HF Boards doesn’t think you’re a good talent evaluator.

that’s literally the argument here lol
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Playing the game and evaluating talent are two completely different skillsets.
 
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Kovalev27 said:
hey Wayne Friggen Gretzky I’m not going to entertain your opinion for conversation on this Canadian hockey player you’ve met and seen play because Joe From HF Boards doesn’t think you’re a good talent evaluator.

that’s literally the argument here lol
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IDK. Someone said Gretzky thinks Lafreniere can play center. Another person said yeah well Gretzky was a shit coach, the implication being that just because he was the greatest player, doesn't mean his opinions or tactics are infallible.

Is also doesn't mean his opinion shouldn't be considered. Of course you at least consider what he says.

I think there's more nuance to the discussion but you're intentionally reducing it to something absurd.

Again, whatever. Moving on.
 
nyr2k2 said:
I have no dog in this fight, but there are countless professional athletes, from minor league duffers to elite, hall of fame guys, who are f***ing idiotic assholes who seem to literally not know their ass from their elbow when it comes to the sport they played.

I have no opinion of Lafreniere as a center. However, if I did, and it was that I thought he wasn't one, knowing that Gretz thought he was a center wouldn't move my needle one bit. Too many brilliant players with shit takes.
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That reminds me, tangentially, of the time I was listening to a podcast about my favorite show, and they had on one of the actors, who played someone brilliant in the show, and I’m thinking “wow, this person is an idiot.” Did not know their ass from their elbow about the subject matter they were so good at delivering lines about. Was very disappointed
 
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Kovalev27 said:
On another note garrioch has article just out saying Ottawa won’t be offering 3 and 5 for our pick. So this is basically a done deal Incase anyone didn’t think so already.
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This is the article in case anyone wanted to see it. That should finally conclude these nonsense proposals and lock in Laf for us. Glad that got squashed right away versus having to deal with this nonsense until October.
 
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At work and can't read the article. Are Ottawa saying that they wouldn't do 3+5 alone for Lafreniere? Because I call horseshit on that.
 
Harbour Dog said:
At work and can't read the article. Are Ottawa saying that they wouldn't do 3+5 alone for Lafreniere? Because I call horseshit on that.
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Pretty much, yeah.

“The idea of trading our 3rd and 5th picks for the No. 1 pick is nonsensical,” Melnyk said in an email to Postmedia on Monday. “We’re very excited to welcome our many new Ottawa Senators that will come to us via the upcoming draft.”

Basically they offered and were already rejected.
 
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Harbour Dog said:
At work and can't read the article. Are Ottawa saying that they wouldn't do 3+5 alone for Lafreniere? Because I call horseshit on that.
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That's what they are saying from the owner's mouth, so just put a pin on this stupid and media driven saga. We're staying at 1 and taking Laf!
 
Thirty One said:
Pretty much, yeah.

“The idea of trading our 3rd and 5th picks for the No. 1 pick is nonsensical,” Melnyk said in an email to Postmedia on Monday. “We’re very excited to welcome our many new Ottawa Senators that will come to us via the upcoming draft.”

Basically they offered and were already rejected.
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Who knows if they offered that but 3 + 5 was never going to be enough anyways.
 
Kovalev27 said:
im gonna go ahead and guess Gretzky Isn’t an idiot and probably knows more about the game than all of us combined. I didn’t reference tanner glass bud
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There's a huge difference between being the greatest player of the game and understanding how others may develop.
I'm another with no dog in the fight about whether Laf should play centre or not, but have we seen anything from TGO which shows he's any good at talent scouting and assessing a player's best position?

And if we're just taking the word of former greats, how many ex-players calling for him to play wing does it take to overrule Gretz' opinion?
 
There's maybe a difference between saying "I think he can be a center" and "I think his skillset would fit that of a center"
Maybe his skills are a good fit for a center but whether he could be successful at that position relies way more on him and whether he could actually make such a transition. A lot of guy scan't really switch positions quite that easy even if you would think their skills might translate.

GoAwayStaal said:
He moves too well to be Boyle but for sure there is more bust potential there then I would want in a top 3 pick.

But yeah Stutzle is a clear #2 for me. I'd put Byfield 4 despite his issues because well, upside has to count for something.
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I will freely admit I'm not draft prospect water blah blah blah but watching some Byfield highlights and I'm not completely sold on his skating. Like yeah he's big but he's not BIG big, but he looks a bit lumbering even though he's moving up the ice fast. And most of the highlights are of him just skating fast in a straight line up the ice, not a lot of edge work.
Compare to like Kreider who's only 1 inch shorter and played at a heavier weight but you could see the power and speed in his stride.
 
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GoAwayStaal said:
That will happen a week out from the draft.

Until then, we're gonna have to hear trade packages from Habs fans and then face their wrath when they're told that their proposals suck.
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We all know we’re taking Laf, JD even admitted as such. But man, I’d wish they would openly just say it before the draft so we can avoid some stupidity that’s going to come out from the media.

And yes, the Habs trader offers are going to really piss me off, I can feel it already.
 
RangerSeth said:
We all know we’re taking Laf, JD even admitted as such. But man, I’d wish they would openly just say it before the draft so we can avoid some stupidity that’s going to come out from the media.

And yes, the Habs trader offers are going to really piss me off, I can feel it already.
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Wait so you won’t take domi, the amazing Drouin and 16th overall for Lafreniere? Come on now.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
IDK. Someone said Gretzky thinks Lafreniere can play center. Another person said yeah well Gretzky was a shit coach, the implication being that just because he was the greatest player, doesn't mean his opinions or tactics are infallible.

Is also doesn't mean his opinion shouldn't be considered. Of course you at least consider what he says.

I think there's more nuance to the discussion but you're intentionally reducing it to something absurd.

Again, whatever. Moving on.
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Had he been drafted by Montreal, he might have been put in that position. lol
He's a natural winger, so I say let him grow there. Unless it comes to that if he seriously's got the skills for face-off and such, but I believe he only played left wing and it must be his position of strength. After all, Jari Kurri played Center at one point with the Kings, a decade into his career as a winger.
I say it's not impossible but very unlikely that he becomes a centerman. He doesn't need to be.
 
If Ottawa isn’t moving 3 and 5 then the only other alternative is LA. Otherwise Laf it is.

As for the Gretzky talk, I agree with the point that he was a shit coach. If Gretzky were a reasonably good coach making that take, it would hold more water imo. Gretzky being able to read the ice, read a play, and know where to shoot doesn’t mean he can evaluate players well or understand their mentalities or what they can or cannot do. Gretzky was not a good coach at all. Being a good player and being a good coach are very different skillsets. How many coaches in all sports were former players who were extraordinarily mediocre as pros? Heck, how mang of them weren’t even good enough to make it in the pros? And how many were really good players in the pros?

All that being said, even a rather casual viewer can see that Laf’s abilities are what you’d see in a center. Does that mean he can be a good center? No. But at the very least there’s justification to try it out at some point in the future. Maybe a year or two down the line someone gets injured, he fills in, and he thrives.

The draft can’t come soon enough lol
 
Kovalev27 said:
k so if Gretzky told me anything about hockey. I mean anything. And you had the opposite take? Zero offense here I will take his word for it like 11 out of 10 times. Think he’s earned the benefit of the doubt. So if his opinion is a kid he’s watched and likes could be a big time center with a switch I’m going to think that hey you know what that’s a valid option then.

I won’t be thinking but hey some guy on HF boards says he knows better so I’m going to throw that idea out the window lol
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I respect that. But it still won't happen and never will happen.
 
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