Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII
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So you were expecting a black hole.......and you've been happy with this season.....you don't see the hypocrisy there?
No I dont know what you mean? I wasnt in favor of them being a black hole team and bringing in Danault. Hes been great and a big reason they arent a lottery team again.
Id much rather watch this years team than another tanking team but I wasnt sure it was in the best interest for the future of the club.
So were on here discussing how we think they can be a better team. Sometimes people are right and sometimes people are wrong but were all here for it and discussing our view of the team.
Fair enough, just seems like your whole disappointed in the team routine was based out of pie in the sky expectations.....
For me, team absolutely exceeded expectations.....and there are still questions, for everyone shitting on TMac, (rightfully or wrongfully) the guy has this team playing meaningful hockey in April....without Doughty, without Walker, without etc.....That's a win in any professional sport
johnjm22
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If we were 10 points out of the playoffs, but Byfield had 50 points and Kaliyev had 20 goals, I think we'd collectively be much happier than we are now.
The pessimism comes from not having much hope for the future because our highly touted young players aren't doing anything.
The pessimism comes from not having much hope for the future because our highly touted young players aren't doing anything.
Trash Panda
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KINGS17
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I would have been interested in Scheifele for Kopitar around six years ago. Scheifele at age 29? I am no longer interested.
johnjm22
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Then we'd be even more stoked.
Byfield developing plus getting another likely top 5 pick.
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I, for one, am pleased that the team was much better this season than last season. Would I like them to be even better? Sure, but I expect moves to be made in the offseason (like a new pp coach) because Blake seems pretty conservative - and a conservative approach seems to be needed when you have so much youth and people in and out of the lineup because of it and injuries.
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I don’t mind Byfield and Vilardi getting a night off, but I wish it would have happened a few weeks ago. Also wish I knew why this organization hates Grundstrom.
Trash Panda
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Those two coming out in exchange for Brown & Anthanasiou, while Grundstrom sits, is a pretty clear signal of the lack of direction from this organization.
Not even close to a signal, it's one game....
You know what Tarasenko was before the season? Expendable. Guy had a bum shoulder. He was expansion draft fodder. So everyone took a pass on him. Lucky for the Blues he's stayed healthy and found his game again.
King'sPawn
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I expected wholesale improvement leading to a playoff appearance. Not just getting better in the standings.
- are they better 5-on-5 compared to last year?
- are the special teams better compared to last year?
- are the prospects, especially up front, integrated into key roles with the veterans?
They are better at generating offense, but in their own stratosphere of inability to finish. Goaltending is also much worse.
The powerplay and penalty kill are both worse.
Prospects have had opportunity as a result of injuries. They're still mostly just depth players.
So, pointing to the point total in the season standings is a bit of a superficial assessment. They haven't made the playoffs yet, and key points of improvement have either stagnated or worsened.
- are they better 5-on-5 compared to last year?
- are the special teams better compared to last year?
- are the prospects, especially up front, integrated into key roles with the veterans?
They are better at generating offense, but in their own stratosphere of inability to finish. Goaltending is also much worse.
The powerplay and penalty kill are both worse.
Prospects have had opportunity as a result of injuries. They're still mostly just depth players.
So, pointing to the point total in the season standings is a bit of a superficial assessment. They haven't made the playoffs yet, and key points of improvement have either stagnated or worsened.
kingsfan
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He's a month younger than Danault, who clearly the brass had no issue with his age when giving him a six year deal.
Not doing anything based on what? I pointed out earlier Kaliyev is 8th in goals and games played from his draft class, and is 5th in goals per game. He's 12th overall in points. He's better than 95-98 per cent of his draft class offensively. Byfield, sorry, he's 19, it's way to early.
We have this same problem every time, guys say so-and-so 'isn't doing anything' then they do something. Durzi was a bust at the start of this season on these boards. Some guys pan out, some don't, but to say our young players aren't doing anything is just false.
Apparently all 32 teams hate Russians then because no one wanted him for basically nothing and St. louis couldn't give him away, but yeah, it's just LA sucks...
They are 100% better 5 on 5, just as they are 100% worse on special teams....
Prospects integrated into key roles? Define a key role, I think Kaliyev is on that track, I think Byfield is on that track, I don't think anyone up front is there, yet. I think Kupari is also on that same track.
IF LA goes into next year like this....
Kempe - Kopitar - Kaliyev
Moore - Danault - Arvidsson
XXXXX - Byfeild - Kupari
Lemieux - Lizotte - XXXXX
Up front, I think that's a good step....if they use some prospect/pick capital and pick up a young top 6 winger, maybe move Kempe down to Byfield and Kupari, in theory, that would be 3 solid lines....
So yea, pointing to the point total this time of the season, given all the injuries, is a good indication of where this team can be next year...
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
It's honestly pretty simple to see where the dissonance comes from.
Some posters are looking at this season's raw results and are satisfied. That's fair.
Other posters are looking at the 'how' about this year's results and are dissatisfied with any of the following, which I also think is fair:
1. Kid usage and future;
2. repetitive issues not being addressed (special teams);
3. Overreliance on and burnout of vets and how that relates to the near future.
I don't think either one is 'wrong,' but daily either side gets treated as 'bad fans' and such because of it.
I think we can all agree on certain things and that is, context aside, the team this year is better, that special teams SUCK, that we want more from the youth, that we have a pending need for goaltenders, and that player usage as far as minutes at least has some concerns.
Some posters are looking at this season's raw results and are satisfied. That's fair.
Other posters are looking at the 'how' about this year's results and are dissatisfied with any of the following, which I also think is fair:
1. Kid usage and future;
2. repetitive issues not being addressed (special teams);
3. Overreliance on and burnout of vets and how that relates to the near future.
I don't think either one is 'wrong,' but daily either side gets treated as 'bad fans' and such because of it.
I think we can all agree on certain things and that is, context aside, the team this year is better, that special teams SUCK, that we want more from the youth, that we have a pending need for goaltenders, and that player usage as far as minutes at least has some concerns.
Agreed to a point.....because to me, it seems like the how we got this result crowd, wants Byfield, Turcotte, youth A,B,C to be thrown in there to sink and swim......that just brings up bad memories of every single LA team from their birth to Lombardi years....why in the world would we ever come back to that?
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