Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

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Agree with the sentiment, but I think by and large that most folks are misreading the situation and real problem here.

This team has no problem drafting or scouting these players. They are all fine choices. The real problem is that the entire direction of the franchise is based on the slow boil acclimation of these kids into an existing roster of young to old veterans. I would guess that they think the benefits are a natural competitive state, a lighter workload, and a developmental program based on slow, incremental matriculation up the ranks of the roster.

The entire tone of the franchise is wrong. They don't realize the healing benefit of cutting ties to the previous identity - which was successful and likely tints the vision, thinking that these once-warriors were still at their peak.

The vets won, won again, got paid BIG, became satisfied and stopped pushing. The tone of this franchise isn't about winning, its about playing out a string, maintaining instead of progressing. Its a dire, depressing tone. There is no true hunger here despite some prideful playing.

Kids coming in aren't allowed to play to their strengths. Has nothing to do with ability. They all have to think instead of react. They have to be in this place at this time and when they aren't they try to correct it instead of just naturally reacting to whats happening around them. You can actively see the confusion, Byfield and Vilardi especially. They look like they are trying to play a game they don't know instead of being encouraged to play the game that they have and learning the rest on the job.

All these kids look like they would thrive in an attacking style of play. That's what kids play now, mostly rushes and counters. In order for that to happen, the team would have to accept that they are going to take some lumps now and that the ends of these great Cup winners careers are going to end with long, slow, exhaled whimpers.

But those vets don't want that. And their management is all former players who all stayed well past their best-by dates and know all to well that the core still thinks that they can win at this stage, when outside the organization everyone can see that their fires are burning too low to win again.

So the kids come into the league in supporting roles, ones that require them to be competent defensively, robotic to the outdated cause, and somehow nobody other than the fans notice that it is just killing the natural instincts and desire to thrive in an offensive league.

If the idea is that these kids need to work on structure first and second before working on what made them desirable, it isn't working.

Some dipshit on this board earlier this week didn't understand the difference between first and fourth line hockey. Kings17 just brought it up a few posts ago. Attacking hockey is a mindset, not a skill. It must be nurtured and allowed to grow, you can't interrupt it, postpone it, or assume that it will come in later after structure is learned. Careers are too short, every draft creates new opportunities and shifts organizational needs.

You have to be willing to accept tough times in order for progress. There is no progress here. No new players will make enough of a difference, no kids will take over the top spots. The focus must change. I advocated trading the Cup vets for years, even at less than market value, just to prevent this malaise from occurring.

Your thesis is precisely what Guerin applied in Minnesota. He wanted Sutter and Parise out of the locker room and is going to pay a steep price in Cap management to do so. In fact, Sutter was still a very good player who received a big contract from Dallas while Parise is still a respected veteran who may have another season or two left. Yet, Guerin bit the bullet in order to change the culture and force the next generation to take ownership of the team. The results speak for themselves. Only time will tell whether the Cap hell Minnesota will find itself in soon will be too high a price to pay.
 
If the bluechips don’t reach their ceiling, none of this matters. You can find guys like Bjornfot and Lizotte everywhere in the league for pennies on the dollar. I love Kaliyev and think he has a ton of potential, but 20ish points in a D+3 season for a player prized on offensive output isn’t exactly something to swoon over. And didn’t he literally just get benched? Same as Byfield and Vilardi? What happened to Byfield, Vilardi, and Turcotte being the next Kopitar, Doughty, and Brown? Now we’re praying just one of these kids becomes a top six forward.

And that’s the f***ing problem. Either the prospects suck (they don’t) or the coaching staff/management has completely botched their development. Either way, we’re getting very little production out of any of these homegrown kids, and instead following the ghost of Anze Kopitar and a bunch of mercenaries into another black hole season. That’s a huge problem for a team that should be coming out of a rebuild, especially when you look at other prospects drafted directly around these guys who are lighting the league on fire. Oh but right, Zegras and Stutzle started five more faceoffs in the offensive zone or whatever so they’re basically playing with cheat codes compared to our guys. The excuse making is insane around here.

Without top end prospects developing into top end players, this franchise will not win anything. If Kopitar and Doughty and Brown don’t develop into top end players, we win nothing. If you took off the cheerleading outfit for five seconds, you’d see that.

First of all, I don't know where you got your info, but I rarely wear my cheerleading outfit outside.....just saying,

Second, the only one of those that have a legitimate gripe, would be Vilardi.

Byfield is 19 years old...can we at least let him age enough to buy a beer before we pin the hope and dreams of a thousand LA fans on his head?

Turcotte is 21, but has had a boatload of injury problems that did not help his development, so let's call him borderline etc....

Zegras and Stutzle are good players, they were also thrown into situations where BOTH of their teams have NO CHANCE OF COMPETING IN THE NEXT 4-5 YEARS.....situation with LA is 100% different wether you agree with that direction or not, that is where they are.

Kaliyev not even 20, is having a great rookie season when you put it all together, but can't give anyone credit for that development....

Bjornfoot is a dime a dollar player? Really? How many 20 year old Dman are playing 20-22 min a night regularly? From this draft, he's most in games played, at 20 years old, and the only two that are better, were Bryam at 4, and Seider at 6.....but again.....dime a dozen so his development doesn't count,

AND THAT is the major problem I have with asinine and bullshit statements like this....

OMG we have a problem with development because our19 year old C isn't doing anything....but disregard the development we have done on the 20 year old W, or 20 year old D, or 22 year old C, or 21 year old D, etc.
 
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Agree with the sentiment, but I think by and large that most folks are misreading the situation and real problem here.

This team has no problem drafting or scouting these players. They are all fine choices. The real problem is that the entire direction of the franchise is based on the slow boil acclimation of these kids into an existing roster of young to old veterans. I would guess that they think the benefits are a natural competitive state, a lighter workload, and a developmental program based on slow, incremental matriculation up the ranks of the roster.

The entire tone of the franchise is wrong. They don't realize the healing benefit of cutting ties to the previous identity - which was successful and likely tints the vision, thinking that these once-warriors were still at their peak.

The vets won, won again, got paid BIG, became satisfied and stopped pushing. The tone of this franchise isn't about winning, its about playing out a string, maintaining instead of progressing. Its a dire, depressing tone. There is no true hunger here despite some prideful playing.

Kids coming in aren't allowed to play to their strengths. Has nothing to do with ability. They all have to think instead of react. They have to be in this place at this time and when they aren't they try to correct it instead of just naturally reacting to whats happening around them. You can actively see the confusion, Byfield and Vilardi especially. They look like they are trying to play a game they don't know instead of being encouraged to play the game that they have and learning the rest on the job.

All these kids look like they would thrive in an attacking style of play. That's what kids play now, mostly rushes and counters. In order for that to happen, the team would have to accept that they are going to take some lumps now and that the ends of these great Cup winners careers are going to end with long, slow, exhaled whimpers.

But those vets don't want that. And their management is all former players who all stayed well past their best-by dates and know all to well that the core still thinks that they can win at this stage, when outside the organization everyone can see that their fires are burning too low to win again.

So the kids come into the league in supporting roles, ones that require them to be competent defensively, robotic to the outdated cause, and somehow nobody other than the fans notice that it is just killing the natural instincts and desire to thrive in an offensive league.

If the idea is that these kids need to work on structure first and second before working on what made them desirable, it isn't working.

Some dipshit on this board earlier this week didn't understand the difference between first and fourth line hockey. Kings17 just brought it up a few posts ago. Attacking hockey is a mindset, not a skill. It must be nurtured and allowed to grow, you can't interrupt it, postpone it, or assume that it will come in later after structure is learned. Careers are too short, every draft creates new opportunities and shifts organizational needs.

You have to be willing to accept tough times in order for progress. There is no progress here. No new players will make enough of a difference, no kids will take over the top spots. The focus must change. I advocated trading the Cup vets for years, even at less than market value, just to prevent this malaise from occurring.
Let me just say this about the attitude of current management and how they treat veteran players with kid gloves.

The president of this organization after getting scratched by Andy Murray for a game, and being told he would be scratched again the next game in Anaheim stayed home and pouted rather than get his ass down the freeway to support his teammates in a late season game.

Not sure how many remember this, but it wasn't a good look for him, at least not to me.
 
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It's funny, I have a feeling Dean would have gone for the roster overhaul, he had already mentioned wanting to go that direction. I didn't agree with many of his decisions after the cup wins(Lucic and Bishop specifically), so who knows. I do remember discussing this in the past with you and I was behind keeping Kopitar. I still think that keeping Kopitar could have worked through the rebuild, but the team hasn't been managing the veterans well. If you are tanking, don't give your aging veteran who carried the team on his back for over a decade 22 minutes a game. I am worried that the team is somehow still going to have 25 million tied up in 4 forwards over the age of 30 years old in 23-24.
Dean pretty much said as much in one of his last interviews with Bob Miller. He didn't call players out by name, but he said he was going to start viewing them more as assets.

I don't think keeping Kopitar was a good idea for a variety of reasons. This does not mean Kopitar wasn't still a very good player, and I believe he may have experienced great success with another organization. He just isn't, as Reggie Jackson would say, "the straw that stirs the drink".
 
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Let me just say this about the attitude of current management and how they treat veteran players with kid gloves.

The president of this organization after getting scratched by Andy Murray for a game, and being told he would be scratched again the next game in Anaheim stayed home and pouted rather than get his ass down the freeway to support his teammates in a late season game.

Not sure how many remember this, but it wasn't a good look for him, at least not to me.
Even 20 years ago, that stretch of the 5 between Burbank and Anaheim was brutal during evening rush hour. Totally understand Luc deciding to cheer from the couch that night.
 
Yea really. Owners spent $25 million for a coach to just roll out kopitar and doughty just like any average joe could and tell everyone else to play 1-3-1 and make sure you are strong on the boards.

It was a move to appease the veteran players. The best teams in the league are not coached by the most expensive coaches in the league.
 
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It was a move to appease the veteran players. The best teams in the league are not coached by the most expensive coaches in the league.
Sutter said around a year after being fired by the Kings something like, "I am one of the best coaches in the NHL. When a team is ready to win, they will call me."

Why did Blake call McLellan? It should have been to help develop young talent, but that isn't what we have witnessed.

I guess the point is Sutter is a coach that is hired for a specific purpose. I don't know what the purpose was in hiring McLellan.
 
So much bullshit flying around this board, it’s mind-numbing.
I hope you are getting paid to be on here as the ultimate Kings defender.
How could you be so excited about a mediocre season? Why are you so content watching a mediocre team getting mediocre results while making it harder for themselves to see what they have for the future? Do you pay to go to games? I was really mad some nights like Durzis first game as a King at home vs Toronto where the game was over from the start and the team mailed it in.
You act like the Kings are the Avalanche.
 
I hope you are getting paid to be on here as the ultimate Kings defender.
How could you be so excited about a mediocre season? Why are you so content watching a mediocre team getting mediocre results while making it harder for themselves to see what they have for the future? Do you pay to go to games? I was really mad some nights like Durzis first game as a King at home vs Toronto where the game was over from the start and the team mailed it in.
You act like the Kings are the Avalanche.
If I’m known for anything on this board, it’s creating a thread in 2012 stating the Kings would NOT make the playoffs—not sure how much any other negative statement could bite you in the ass worse than that…so for all this finger pointing that I’m Mr. Positive and have nothing bad to say about this team is a bit ironic.

I’ve said it a 100 times this season and I guess I’ll say it again…my expectation coming into this year for Blake and TM to keep their jobs was that the team had to at least be playing some meaningful games come March/April. Well, here we are, 6 games to go and right there in the middle of a playoff race. I’m confused that it seems like so many of you had higher expectations…because that’s what you all sound like. I’ve enjoyed this season, I really have and I will be watching every last game biting my f***ing nails until they get eliminated. (Just like all of you will be doing despite your bitching)

Yeah, the team needs some work, special teams coaches need to go…the kids obviously need some more growth (but some are looking fantastic). So, that’s all I got….and all I could ask any of you is WHAT THE f*** DID YOU EXPECT THIS SEASON? lol, exactly, we aren’t the f***ing Avs.
 
If I’m known for anything on this board, it’s creating a thread in 2012 stating the Kings would NOT make the playoffs—not sure how much any other negative statement could bite you in the ass worse than that…so for all this finger pointing that I’m Mr. Positive and have nothing bad to say about this team is a bit ironic.

I’ve said it a 100 times this season and I guess I’ll say it again…my expectation coming into this year for Blake and TM to keep their jobs was that the team had to at least be playing some meaningful games come March/April. Well, here we are, 6 games to go and right there in the middle of a playoff race. I’m confused that it seems like so many of you had higher expectations…because that’s what you all sound like. I’ve enjoyed this season, I really have and I will be watching every last game biting my f***ing nails until they get eliminated. (Just like all of you will be doing despite your bitching)

Yeah, the team needs some work, special teams coaches need to go…the kids obviously need some more growth (but some are looking fantastic). So, that’s all I got….and all I could ask any of you is WHAT THE f*** DID YOU EXPECT THIS SEASON? lol, exactly, we aren’t the f***ing Avs.
Overall Im happy with the season for the most part also. I even agree with you on some things. I just think people discussing how they think the team could make itself better shouldnt bother you as much. Especially the discussions about setting themselves up for the future in a couple years when they will be expected to be competing with Colorado.
 
I hope you are getting paid to be on here as the ultimate Kings defender.
How could you be so excited about a mediocre season? Why are you so content watching a mediocre team getting mediocre results while making it harder for themselves to see what they have for the future? Do you pay to go to games? I was really mad some nights like Durzis first game as a King at home vs Toronto where the game was over from the start and the team mailed it in.
You act like the Kings are the Avalanche.

What were your expectations Sept 1st 2021.......what were you expecting, after what, 8 years after they last won the cup, 7 years etc, after watching them go up, and down, and flame out, etc, what were you expecting for this year?

To even call this year mediocre is such blantant f***ing hypocrisy, it's almost like you have no idea what you were expecting.....so answer that, what were you expecting?
 
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If I’m known for anything on this board, it’s creating a thread in 2012 stating the Kings would NOT make the playoffs—not sure how much any other negative statement could bite you in the ass worse than that…so for all this finger pointing that I’m Mr. Positive and have nothing bad to say about this team is a bit ironic.

I’ve said it a 100 times this season and I guess I’ll say it again…my expectation coming into this year for Blake and TM to keep their jobs was that the team had to at least be playing some meaningful games come March/April. Well, here we are, 6 games to go and right there in the middle of a playoff race. I’m confused that it seems like so many of you had higher expectations…because that’s what you all sound like. I’ve enjoyed this season, I really have and I will be watching every last game biting my f***ing nails until they get eliminated. (Just like all of you will be doing despite your bitching)

Yeah, the team needs some work, special teams coaches need to go…the kids obviously need some more growth (but some are looking fantastic). So, that’s all I got….and all I could ask any of you is WHAT THE f*** DID YOU EXPECT THIS SEASON? lol, exactly, we aren’t the f***ing Avs.
So you misread the first team to win the cup. Plenty of fans wanted Terry Murray fired after the poor start. Yet you felt the need to say the whole team wasn’t good enough to make the playoffs.

Now you say that the team is playing meaningful games at the end, so that means things are on track overall, with some minor coaching issues being the biggest problem.

Why would you consider your current view to be correct?

I’m not saying you’re wrong necessarily, but just wondering why you aren’t more skeptical.
 
The Kings falling in a 6-10 seed and barely making or missing the playoffs is what I expected coming into this season and that's what we got.

Last year we were on pace for 72 points over a full 82 game season and finished tied with SJ for the 6th worst record (finished 7th worst based on us having a better goal differential). This year we're on pace for 95 points and are 17th overall in winning percentage. Our goal differential last year would have been -40 over 82 games. This year it's -5 and it'd be a +1 if not for the sh!tk!ick!ng we took Thursday from Colorado.

We've had 11 rookies play for the Kings, tied the sixth most in the NHL. Of the teams ahead of us or tied, only Washington is in the playoffs, the rest are eliminated or all but eliminated. Our rookies have also combining for 288 games, which is second in the league behind SJ who have a whopping 381.

We're in a playoff hunt and we're developing our kids. You can debate ice time and deployment, but our kids are getting their fair chance to show something and we're still playing for a playoff spot with six games left. I'm more than happy with how this season has panned out all said and done.
 
Jets fan coming in peace...

Would you be interested in Scheifele? He could be a great add to your forward core IF you think adding a PPG guy takes the team to the next level. You guys are LOADED with prospects...I can see a deal without asking for the premier guys (Byfield and Clarke).
 
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So you misread the first team to win the cup. Plenty of fans wanted Terry Murray fired after the poor start. Yet you felt the need to say the whole team wasn’t good enough to make the playoffs.

Now you say that the team is playing meaningful games at the end, so that means things are on track overall, with some minor coaching issues being the biggest problem.

Why would you consider your current view to be correct?

I’m not saying you’re wrong necessarily, but just wondering why you aren’t more skeptical.
My thread in 2012 was well after Murray was fired…prob right before we got Carter and took off. I had never believed Murray was the coach to get us to the next level.

Yes, I kinda do think things are on track…I also believe injuries have f***ed the momentum. Not many teams are going to make it far with their #1 defenseman sidelined.

The Kings have had some seriously great efforts this season, beating most of the top teams in the league…I think a lot of you forget that…and that’s not a fluke, that’s progress when you compare it to the last few years.
 
Jets fan coming in peace...

Would you be interested in Scheifele? He could be a great add to your forward core IF you think adding a PPG guy takes the team to the next level. You guys are LOADED with prospects...I can see a deal without asking for the premier guys (Byfield and Clarke).

Most fans are gonna resist and go ooooh headache issues.....which he very well might have, and you don't bring those into a young young room like we have,

Having said that, if he vetted out well.....then 100% you have to kick the tires and see what the cost might be.
 
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What were your expectations Sept 1st 2021.......what were you expecting, after what, 8 years after they last won the cup, 7 years etc, after watching them go up, and down, and flame out, etc, what were you expecting for this year?

To even call this year mediocre is such blantant f***ing hypocrisy, it's almost like you have no idea what you were expecting.....so answer that, what were you expecting?
I was expecting black hole. Not bad enough for a lottery pick and not good enough for playoffs. I will be excited to watch some playoff games if the get in. Why is mediocre a hypocrisy? They are a mediocre team.
 
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