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LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

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Chazz Reinhold said:
Did you even read what I wrote above in this thread? He's played like shit this year overall and I never said otherwise. I understand this can be difficult for some, but it's possible to appreciate nuance enough to hold two thoughts in my head at once: (1) he's been terrible overall, with an extraordinary level of lack of effort; (2) he's capable of and has generated quality chances off of his carrying the puck into the zone.
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I am not arguing with you as much as I am tired of the constant search for numbers that contradict reality as a crutch for an opinion, this is just an example and not even an important one.

And while others whose opinions are always respectable disagree with this idea, I will state with absolute certainty that this reliance on data in sports is not helpful to understanding its nature and actual purpose.

We don't watch sports for perfection. We watch them for the drama, the familiar camaraderie, perseverance, and a sense of completion missing in every day life. We enjoy them. It isn't about obtaining perfection or providing statistical value to the events. That's an invention of the gambling industry, using data to project not results but likely betting scenarios to separate you from your money. It started with football, which is much easier to quantify due to its single-event play. People have been trying like crazy to use similar data for hockey and it just doesn't work.

When a player like Trevor Lewis realizes its late in the shift in the second period and decides at the blue line to dump it in safely for a change, that isn't a failed zone entry. And it isn't a successful prevention for the defender either, its a totally irrelevant event to any statistical analysis yet it serves as such to someone who chooses to do so. What's the value of that knowledge? So some dope on X can post a chart entitled "what does Trevor Lewis even do?"

Every player ever has strengths and weaknesses, and the Idea that everyone has to be competent in all categories is just not realistic. Different roles require different plays at different times that will tick different stat boxes. No collection of data gathered from multiple sources is ever going to truly reflect what's happening, and especially so if you use sum total averages that include data from situations that have no relevance to others.

So last night Dubois had his best game in the last several weeks. Building on that positive into the next few games will matter so much more than the statistical gatherings of the failings of his first two months. THAT is what is interesting about sports. Trends matter, averages don't.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
And i suspect this is the sole reason TM isn’t trying to jump start him by cycling players thru the lines or him vice Versa. He’s not scoring but he’s also not bleeding goals or chances so just biding time for him to figure it out

but it’s also a fair complaint that we need the numbers yesterday
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Absolutely. Teams really look closely at numbers and matchups, and have much different expectations than we do. For good or bad, the Kings' are certainly not panicking about anything.

My beef with that is sometimes it ends up leading to a false sense of security, and it's always good to have options if another team has you figured out in a series.
 
Fishhead said:
Absolutely. Teams really look closely at numbers and matchups, and have much different expectations than we do. For good or bad, the Kings' are certainly not panicking about anything.

My beef with that is sometimes it ends up leading to a false sense of security, and it's always good to have options if another team has you figured out in a series.
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I think the biggest concern here is that Kopitar's decline won't be covered by Dubois progression.
 
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bland said:
I think the biggest concern here is that Kopitar's decline won't be covered by Dubois progression.
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Valid concern, but I think with Byfield...coming of age....I still think he's the successor, PLD takes 2nd line from Danault when that ages....etc, everyone's worried about PLD now....and again, valid, but this team is gonna look much different, in 5 years.....than it does now....vs what it looked like 5 years ago, that's the nature of sports....I just don't think Kopitar's decline, when it comes, is gonna be covered by just one person
 
Trash Panda said:
Arguing that PL has been anything short of a biblical disappointment is purely weapons-grade copium at this point.
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Classic. And what is even worse is watching Vilardi's continual ascent while having to endure this timecard puncher. The copium addicts will keep telling themselves Vilardi is injury prone and PLD just needs 40 games to adjust and the right line mates.. The question is how long will that refrain last around here
 
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Me and a few buddy’s were at a bourbon share last night and were saying how awesome would a league be if the salary’s of the players was determined by their standings after the playoffs. All players made the same money on a team with the only difference being the higher you finish the more you made. That would make for some great hockey!
 
The kid is an absolute beast!
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SaltyElkHunter said:
Wonder if PLD is playing injured
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Having no heart is an injury, but I guess if we need to hope our way to the latest reason PLD is exactly who we knew he was it’s a strategy.
AbsentMojo said:
Classic. And what is even worse is watching Vilardi's continual ascent while having to endure this timecard puncher. The copium addicts will keep telling themselves Vilardi is injury prone and PLD just needs 40 games to adjust and the right line mates.. The question is how long will that refrain last around here
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I’d rather have Vilardi at half the price and injured for 40 games than what PLD brings for a full season at twice the price.
 
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Lots of talk here about who will replace Kopitar at 1C. The most likely answer is No One. 11 is just that good even though he has his critics on this board (including me from time to time). We really need to appreciate Kopitar and even Doughty more than we do, because we will definitely notice when they are no longer around.
Think how long LA went without a true 1C before 11 arrived. Not going to be easy to replace, so putting that responsibility on PLD or Byfield or someone else is not switching out apples to apples. It may work out that way, but odds are there will be a step back when the change over happens.
 
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Fat Elvis said:
Lots of talk here about who will replace Kopitar at 1C. The most likely answer is No One. 11 is just that good even though he has his critics on this board (including me from time to time). We really need to appreciate Kopitar and even Doughty more than we do, because we will definitely notice when they are no longer around.
Think how long LA went without a true 1C before 11 arrived. Not going to be easy to replace, so putting that responsibility on PLD or Byfield or someone else is not switching out apples to apples. It may work out that way, but odds are there will be a step back when the change over happens.
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Folks never wanted to credit Stumpel for having multiple ppg years for the Kinfs in the dead puck era while also being strong defensively. Allison had a short run as a true #1c as well.

If the argument is that the Kings didn't have a "star" #1c, sure, there was a gap, but the actual difference between Anze and those two isn't all that big. Anze's a hall of famer for his longevity, not his peak.
 
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i still cant figure out what kevin fiala is doing on a typical shift. to my eye, its looks mighty chaotic. is it possible that alot of the points he puts up are by accident?
 
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