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SeaOfBlue said:
He didn't. He was already clear with what he was willing to pay for guys (especially rentals) at the TDL.

He probably went to Davidson, asked him the price for Hagel + Fleury, and Davidson said 1st+1st+Knies. Dubas said no chance. Dubas can't do anything about other team's asking about his players.

Does not mean any of those details should be out, especially when they are that specific. I don't think Dubas is worried about the fact that Knies was included or that he was interested in a goalie (Campbell/Mrazek can't be so ignorant as to think that the Leafs would not be looking externally for an upgrade after they have been the league's worst goalies for months now), but rather that a guy who had been an official GM for like 2 weeks was incapable of following basic GM protocol.
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if Dubas didn't make the offer why didn't he just say so instead of getting all sassy ?
 
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Leaf Fans said:
He was not happy with details being leaked. There is nothing wrong with that.
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that's fine but then enough with getting the insiders to send tweets out that he didn't make the offer or at least weren't discussing a deal along those line

considering what the Hawks received from trading those two you could safely assume Dubie's discussion with them wasn't SDA/2nd and Big Mac Hollowell
 
mapleleaf979 said:
Im glad Chicago exposed Dubas for being the fake that he is. Campbell doesnt trust him now, thats for sure. That does not bode well for the playoffs. Knies is already being shopped, that must feel great for Knies. Dubas even considering that trade is beyond stupid. Fleury has proven to choke in big moments. That price was massive.
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This doesn't make any sense.
 
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hotpaws said:
that's fine but then enough with getting the insiders to send tweets out that he didn't make the offer or at least weren't discussing a deal along those line

considering what the Hawks received from trading those two you could safely assume Dubie's discussion with them wasn't SDA/2nd and Big Mac Hollowell
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The reach is strong young Skywalker
 
mapleleaf979 said:
Im glad Chicago exposed Dubas for being the fake that he is. Campbell doesnt trust him now, thats for sure. That does not bode well for the playoffs. Knies is already being shopped, that must feel great for Knies. Dubas even considering that trade is beyond stupid. Fleury has proven to choke in big moments. That price was massive.
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I'm a dumber man for having read this
 
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al secord said:
The reach is strong young Skywalker
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your probably right , the Hawks just randomly called Dubie out of the blue , made the offer and then the conversation ended when Dubie said no

that sounds much more realistic , lol
 
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zeke said:
At last year's trade deadline....

- Andersen had an .897sv%, and due to a mystery "injury" hadn't played in over 3 weeks and wasn't due back anytime soon.
- Campbell had a .934sv% but had only played 11gms all season
- Hutchinson was the de facto backup and had a .919sv% in 8gms
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The bias is showing. Why the mystery injury with Anderson. The guy was injured all last season and tried playing through it, which is why his numbers sucked end of story (facts). Why would carolina let 2 goalies walk to sign Anderson if he sucked? the fact is not resigning Anderson will probably cost Dubas his job.
 
I really dislike how our injuries are never really elaborated on. It made me think Andersen injury was fake, and is making me question Campbells injury. I dont understand the fascination with teams refusing to make injuries public.

Also please call out the refs for refusing to call penalties on Matthews, grow a pair ffs. No wonder our players are soft if even the coach and management refuses to stand up from them.
 
Curious to hear what people think Kyle's mindset is as the playoffs approach.

Do you think Kyle is truly excited for the playoffs to start? Or, is he dreading them?

Of course, he'd tell you to your face "we're excited about the opportunity before us" or something similar. Is that really how he feels?

My guess is Kyle is as concerned as most of the fanbase is. Feeling that feeling of inevitability that this will be like every playoff series under him where they don't get it done.

Who among us honestly feels excited and confident? Not just one of those but both of those? I'm neither excited nor confident. Do Kyle and the players feel any differently? I can't imagine a team that's done nothing but lose really feels like it will be different this time. Why would they? Outside of randomness, what is this team pinning their hopes on this time around? Growth? A team that is stumbling badly vs. the dregs of the NHL isn't one that appears to have grown. A team with goaltending issues doesn't seem better equipped, this time, to go win a series. The only thing I can see any hope in, as it stands today, is the randomness of hockey. The whole "anything can happen" is what Kyle has to be holding onto. What else could it be? There is nothing in the past he can point to that should make him feel confident and randomness isn't confidence building or any kind of strategy. I have to conclude Kyle is as concerned, privately, as any of us.
 
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hotpaws said:
that's fine but then enough with getting the insiders to send tweets out that he didn't make the offer or at least weren't discussing a deal along those line

considering what the Hawks received from trading those two you could safely assume Dubie's discussion with them wasn't SDA/2nd and Big Mac Hollowell
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Yeah, if you make things up like you are, you can safely assume anything.
 
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hotpaws said:
it's only clear to a very small group of homers living in denial but hey who am i to pee pee on another Dubie love in
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There might be. Some people think Dubas can do no wrong. Obviously, I am not one of them. I don't knowvl why you would pee pee on a Dubie love in. Let them smoke their dubies if they want.
 
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Yeah, I have seen your posts. I am not sure who, specifically, is being referred to.
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think I found them.

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The fact the Leafs didn't trade Knies kinda proves that the deal feel through because they consider him untouchable. Elliotte Friedman already confirmed as much.
 
AcerComputer said:
The fact the Leafs didn't trade Knies kinda proves that the deal feel through because they consider him untouchable. Elliotte Friedman already confirmed as much.
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Given Tampa got Hagel & two 4ths ('22 & '24) for Raddysh, Katchouk, & two 1sts.​


To turn down Fleury (@50%) + Hagel for 2 firsts, Knies and Mrazek pretty much tells me that Leafs see him as untouchable as untouchable can get. I see no other reason not to make a deal that potentially solves your goaltending situation, adds a LWer with term that can play with JT and rids you of the Mrazek contract.
 
ToneDog said:

Given Tampa got Hagel & two 4ths ('22 & '24) for Raddysh, Katchouk, & two 1sts.​


To turn down Fleury (@50%) + Hagel for 2 firsts, Knies and Mrazek pretty much tells me that Leafs see him as untouchable as untouchable can get. I see no other reason not to make a deal that potentially solves your goaltending situation, adds a LWer with term that can play with JT and rids you of the Mrazek contract.
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I actually think the deal is pretty good, just not with Knies in it. Some other prospect maybe + pick. TB is going to flip/trade Hagel once that contract is up and is an RFA commanding big money. That's why they didn't care about giving up 2 Firsts, because they will recoup the picks before the 2024 draft (assuming Hagel doesn't fall off hard).
 
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AcerComputer said:
The fact the Leafs didn't trade Knies kinda proves that the deal feel through because they consider him untouchable. Elliotte Friedman already confirmed as much.
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It was already made public that the trade offer was likely from Chicagos side - not Toronto begging and pleading for Davidson to accept the deal.

I was actually shocked that Ron Maclean started that first intermission with discussing the "Fleury to Toronto deal that fell through", almost a week later, and knowing that Dubas made it clear they weren't trading a first OR Knies. It was actually comical: Maclean still goes on about this trade in the SECOND INTERMISSION and when Friedman reminds him of the logistics, Maclean still makes a comment about how Knies wouldn't have appreciated it?

Maclean was feeding the piranhas and obviously, as evidenced from this thread, they ate that up.
 
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