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saffronleaf said:
why does it matter whether he's respected by fellow GMs? it's a stale, low IQ old boys club.
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Did you catch Kyle's whining about how often his players are poached off waivers? Hint: it's not because these players are good, it's because nobody likes Kyle and they love to troll him. Did you see the way Chicago's GM disrespected him? You can say it's good that he's not in the old boys club, but why? If all the people you need to work with are in the club, being an outsider makes you an easy target. His alleged benefits as a GM aren't so great that they out weigh the heavy burden this puts on the team. Honest question, if Jim Rutherford is the GM would he lose 11 NHL players off waivers for nothing?
 
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FiveHoleo said:
Did you catch Kyle's whining about how often his players are poached off waivers? Hint: it's not because these players are good, it's because nobody likes Kyle and they love to troll him. Did you see the way Chicago's GM disrespected him? You can say it's good that he's not in the old boys club, but why? If all the people you need to work with are in the club, being an outsider makes you an easy target. His alleged benefits as a GM aren't so great that they out weigh the heavy burden this puts on the team. Honest question, if Jim Rutherford is the GM would he lose 11 NHL players off waivers for nothing?
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This is all such garbage and nonsense.
 
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FiveHoleo said:
Did you catch Kyle's whining about how often his players are poached off waivers? Hint: it's not because these players are good, it's because nobody likes Kyle and they love to troll him. Did you see the way Chicago's GM disrespected him? You can say it's good that he's not in the old boys club, but why? If all the people you need to work with are in the club, being an outsider makes you an easy target. His alleged benefits as a GM aren't so great that they out weigh the heavy burden this puts on the team. Honest question, if Jim Rutherford is the GM would he lose 11 NHL players off waivers for nothing?
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Try the non toxic paste next time
 
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If the Leafs flame out in the first round, and Dubas is shown the door, we will likely ALL be glad he didn’t torch any more draft picks and prospects in an effort to bring in people that we will never know if doing so would have made a difference. Goalie, 2nd line player, whatever - he didn’t, so it feels like there is no point in speculating what could have been - we could have brought in ANY goalie, and he could have put up .930, but he could have put up .860.

Posts that say, “I guarantee that Player X would be better than what we have.” or (and I love these) ”I guarantee Player Y would will be gone when he is a FA, wouldn’t ever come here, can’t wait to get out, won’t re-up with us because of PP time” etc. are a joke, because nobody can guarantee that. I don’t get why people say it, but those posts are a joke.

Doesn’t matter what wasn’t done, because nobody ever knows what would have happened by doing it. Nor will we know what happens until it does. It only matters what the results are, because those are based on what happened up to that point.
 
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FiveHoleo said:
Did you catch Kyle's whining about how often his players are poached off waivers? Hint: it's not because these players are good, it's because nobody likes Kyle and they love to troll him. Did you see the way Chicago's GM disrespected him? You can say it's good that he's not in the old boys club, but why? If all the people you need to work with are in the club, being an outsider makes you an easy target. His alleged benefits as a GM aren't so great that they out weigh the heavy burden this puts on the team. Honest question, if Jim Rutherford is the GM would he lose 11 NHL players off waivers for nothing?
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Jim Rutherford would have got first round picks for each player that was claimed on waivers. If he were the GM of the Leafs.
 
FiveHoleo said:
Did you catch Kyle's whining about how often his players are poached off waivers? Hint: it's not because these players are good, it's because nobody likes Kyle and they love to troll him. Did you see the way Chicago's GM disrespected him? You can say it's good that he's not in the old boys club, but why? If all the people you need to work with are in the club, being an outsider makes you an easy target. His alleged benefits as a GM aren't so great that they out weigh the heavy burden this puts on the team. Honest question, if Jim Rutherford is the GM would he lose 11 NHL players off waivers for nothing?
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I mean Chicago's GM is more of a rookie front office executive than Dubas' is. Odds are higher he didn't fully understand the unwritten rules surrounding negotiations and had a leaky ship as a result.

How would a guy like Rutherford stop players from getting claimed?
 
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Did you catch Kyle's whining about how often his players are poached off waivers? Hint: it's not because these players are good, it's because nobody likes Kyle and they love to troll him. Did you see the way Chicago's GM disrespected him? You can say it's good that he's not in the old boys club, but why? If all the people you need to work with are in the club, being an outsider makes you an easy target. His alleged benefits as a GM aren't so great that they out weigh the heavy burden this puts on the team. Honest question, if Jim Rutherford is the GM would he lose 11 NHL players off waivers for nothing?
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So they take a roster spot off their team to add a Leaf just to troll Dubas? LMAO. Quite the take there holeo.

Or maybe it's because this team usually has 12 much better players, and our discards are often better than other teams top 12? Maybe I'm reaching here...;)
 
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FiveHoleo said:
Did you catch Kyle's whining about how often his players are poached off waivers? Hint: it's not because these players are good, it's because nobody likes Kyle and they love to troll him. Did you see the way Chicago's GM disrespected him? You can say it's good that he's not in the old boys club, but why? If all the people you need to work with are in the club, being an outsider makes you an easy target. His alleged benefits as a GM aren't so great that they out weigh the heavy burden this puts on the team. Honest question, if Jim Rutherford is the GM would he lose 11 NHL players off waivers for nothing?
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So you're saying grown men are acting like children because they don't like Dubas. They put their job on the line just to bully Dubas?
 
hotpaws said:
how is putting in a waiver claim "putting their job on the line"
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Putting a waiver claim is not putting your job on the line. If a GM thinks a player can help their team, and that player is on waivers, a GM would put in a claim.
 
crump said:
Claiming players just to f*** around Dubas? Yes. That's the insuation in the quoted post.
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even if that's what they're doing they wouldn't be putting their lobs on the line , some people are are way too sensitive any tim Dubie's name gets brought up
 
hotpaws said:
even if that's what they're doing they wouldn't be putting their lobs on the line , some people are are way too sensitive any tim Dubie's name gets brought up
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Sometimes, but, the amount of nonsense people post on here in an attempt to denigrate Dubas far eclipses any sensitivity but other fans.
 
budzz said:
So they take a roster spot off their team to add a Leaf just to troll Dubas? LMAO. Quite the take there holeo.

Or maybe it's because this team usually has 12 much better players, and our discards are often better than other teams top 12? Maybe I'm reaching here...;)
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It's not just my take, doesn't anybody watch Steve Dangle? It's not some weird conspiracy theory. Other GM's don't like Dubas for some reason. Dubas has the team so close to the cap all the time he needs to do these cap gymnastics which expose players to waivers. When the other GM's get their chuckles out of trolling him because he's a nerd who never played the game, and yes they do, it's clearly a flawed strategy to operate that way.
 
FiveHoleo said:
It's not just my take, doesn't anybody watch Steve Dangle? It's not some weird conspiracy theory. Other GM's don't like Dubas for some reason. Dubas has the team so close to the cap all the time he needs to do these cap gymnastics which expose players to waivers. When the other GM's get their chuckles out of trolling him because he's a nerd who never played the game, and yes they do, it's clearly a flawed strategy to operate that way.
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Steve Dangle was the first person I thought of when you first posted your nonsense. I thought - that is some BS you might hear on a Steve Dangle podcast.
 
Menzinger said:
I mean Chicago's GM is more of a rookie front office executive than Dubas' is. Odds are higher he didn't fully understand the unwritten rules surrounding negotiations and had a leaky ship as a result.

How would a guy like Rutherford stop players from getting claimed?
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He is an amateur and made an amateurish move. Dubas at least had 4 years of AGM experience under Lou + was an OHL GM for years before he became an NHL GM. He knows how to be a GM.

Davidson had like a year of AGM experience and was a pure analytics guy before that (and it is not like he had an analytics degree or anything either). Honestly, if guys like him and Chayka can become GM's, I can probably be a GM.

All for teams trying out guys with some new perspectives and may not have 25+ years of experience, but you still need to have basic qualifications that guys like Chayka and Davidson simply did not have.
 
horner said:
Note to Dubas
Don't bring Knies up in trade talk
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He didn't. He was already clear with what he was willing to pay for guys (especially rentals) at the TDL.

He probably went to Davidson, asked him the price for Hagel + Fleury, and Davidson said 1st+1st+Knies. Dubas said no chance. Dubas can't do anything about other team's asking about his players.

Does not mean any of those details should be out, especially when they are that specific. I don't think Dubas is worried about the fact that Knies was included or that he was interested in a goalie (Campbell/Mrazek can't be so ignorant as to think that the Leafs would not be looking externally for an upgrade after they have been the league's worst goalies for months now), but rather that a guy who had been an official GM for like 2 weeks was incapable of following basic GM protocol.
 
Having heard that Dubas was thinking about trading Knies, two 1st rounders and Mrazek for Fleury and Hagel, man it would've seriously pissed me off if it had actually happened! 😡 😠

I get that we want to improve the Leafs, but DAMN trading Knies!!?!?!?! COMPLETELY NOT WORTH IT. Who knows if Knies will turn into a good or even a great player, but when you have a player with his size and potential why trade that away plus a couple of 1st rounders for Hagel and Fleury?!?! In a trade for McDavid or something? Sure. For Hagel and Fleury? No way.

Not worth it at all and if that deal had actually happened I would have to seriously question what the hell is Dubas doing. I'm a big supporter of Kyle, but I would be losing alot of faith in him if he had did that deal.
 
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