Kyle Dubas discussion

[Apex Predator]

I think with our cap situation and the fact they expect to see Muzzin back before season end the Leafs we really handicapped on who and how big of a cap hit they can bring in.

At the end of the day wedgewood, Reimer, Kahkonnen are they any major upgrade or proven playoff goalies on what we have? There not and unfortunately we have to ride this out and hope Campbell gets back to his normal self.

The off season will be about getting a goalie but first let’s get through the playoffs and see how things play out.

 

[The Podium]

What is this fixation and fascination you have with Wedgewood?

SJ picked up young goalie Kaapo Kahkonen at the TD from the Wild who has a 12-9-3 record this year, with a 2.92 GAA and a .910 sv% in his 24 starts this year with a $725,000 cap hit. Leafs could have dealt for him including say Travis Dermott.

Instead of a Hail Marry on Harri Sateri who is 32 years old has 9 NHL games in his career and none since 2017.

I sure hope the Leafs are not relying on this Leafs 2 young goalies to carry them in the playoffs if called up.

Besides Campbell is a pending UFA and Mrazek has been a complete bust with 2 more years of $3.8 mil term left... The opportunity was wide open to address the goaltending situation not just this year but beyond as well at the same time here.

If the Leafs flame out again in the first round because of their current goaltending situation, there will be a lot of media and fans calling for Dubas head and rightfully so. IMO

Are you out to lunch? SJ traded Middleton who had rumors of returning a 1st. Dermott doesn’t get that deal done.

 

[Dekes For Days]

It’s fascinating how upset some get by any perceived criticism. The insecurity knows no bounds.

The irony of this statement said to perfectly calm people criticizing your bad take is just *chef's kiss*.

 

[ACC1224]

3 of the last 5 cup winning goalies were rookies, albeit Murray 2-peating makes that a technicality. Obviously not a recipe for success, but not unprecedented. Shouldn’t be a problem if their goalies bounce back to league/career averages.

I'm assuming NHL rookies that were with the teams for most of the season ?

Even Dubas realized and tried to address it but wasn't able to. Wishing he was successful in his own endeavor isn't that outlandish, IMO.

 

[ACC1224]

I get frustrated with stupidity.

Wish we were in on Kahkonen? Sure. I hoped it was us when there was that lag announcing who it was.
Wish we went after a Reimer? why not. I hoped we would when they got KK and had 3 goalies.

Rant about not adding a journeyman that his best is marginally better than the unnacceptable funk our current guys are in, no better than our depth options, and arguably slots in 6th to our healthy depth chart? Yeah I'm going to call it out.

It's certainly not worth ranting about, I agree with that.
Would have been a nice to have, even Dubas agrees with that.

 

[The Podium]

I'm assuming NHL rookies that were with the teams for most of the season ?

Even Dubas realized and tried to address it but wasn't able to. Wishing he was successful in his own endeavor isn't that outlandish, IMO.

I agree that an upgrade would’ve been nice, but Wedgewood would not have been worth it.

Murray played 13 regular season games
Binnington played 32 regular season gamss

 

[zeke]

Wait we are now criticizing Dubas for not trading for Scott Wedgewood?

 

[ACC1224]

I agree that an upgrade would’ve been nice, but Wedgewood would not have been worth it.

Murray played 13 regular season games
Binnington played 32 regular season gamss

I agree if he's no better than Hutchinson.

 

[IPS]

Dubas doesn't make a move for a goalie at the deadline - the right move.

If Dubas made a move for a goalie at the deadline - would have been the right move.

That we know for sure.

 

[IPS]

A- Rittich had started more games in the two years prior than Wedgewood has in his career, not the same type of add.
B- Did we have two young goalies come in and give us a combined 5-1-1 with a .920 from the minors last year?

LOL come on man. Not the same type of add? Wedgewood put up a respectable .911 in 23 starts with a horrible Arizona team. Now what was Rittich's work prior to being traded to Toronto? .904 in 12 starts on a superior Calgary team.

But Rittich started more games? Who cares, they both sport a .906 career SV%, why is it supposed to matter that Calgary waited eons to fix their goalie situation?

Call me crazy but it looks like precisely the same type of add.

 

[The Podium]

Dubas doesn't make a move for a goalie at the deadline - the right move.

If Dubas made a move for a goalie at the deadline - would have been the right move.

That we know for sure.

It depends what the move was.

Somehow getting Kahkonen without giving up anything significant? Thats a potential long term upgrade and a good move
Trading a midround pick for Wedgewood? Waste of a pick for a non-upgrade.

 

[4thline]

LOL come on man. Not the same type of add? Wedgewood put up a respectable .911 in 23 starts with a horrible Arizona team. Now what was Rittich's work prior to being traded to Toronto? .904 in 12 starts on a superior Calgary team.

But Rittich started more games? Who cares, they both sport a .906 career SV%, why is it supposed to matter that Calgary waited eons to fix their goalie situation?

Call me crazy but it looks like precisely the same type of add.

A track record of consistency and being able to play in the NHL with more than spot duty. Like I said, bitch about not being in on Kahknonen or Reimer. MAF. But being mad about not bringing in another maybe is stupid. Wedgewood gains us nothing over handing the ball to Kallgren/Woll.

 

[kb]

Wait we are now criticizing Dubas for not trading for Scott Wedgewood?

Remember when the Leafs traded for 'big save Dave', and were crucified for 'wasting assets' it by the very same a**clowns who are now bitching about not throwing away more assets on mediocre goaltending this season?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.......those playing both sides of the fence.

 

[BlueBaron]

Wait we are now criticizing Dubas for not trading for Scott Wedgewood?

Need a pitchfork?

It's funny.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Remember when the Leafs traded for 'big save Dave', and were crucified for 'wasting assets' it by the very same a**clowns who are now bitching about not throwing away more assets on mediocre goaltending?

Pepperidge Farm remembers those playing both sides of the fence.

Oh man, I totally remember eating those rectangular Pepperidge farm chocolate cakes that were kept in the freezer. Probably had it with Cool Whip here and there.

Spoiler

 

[Morbo]

It’s fascinating how upset some get by any perceived criticism. The insecurity knows no bounds.

you want to see upset wait till Dubas isn't fired at the end of this season.

 

[kb]

Oh man, I totally remember eating those rectangular Pepperidge farm chocolate cakes that were kept in the freezer. Probably had it with Cool Whip here and there.

Spoiler

I owe my current physique at least in part to them...

Working at the beer store for years did the rest.

 

[The Management]

I owe my current physique at least in part to them...

Working at the beer store for years did the rest.

The temple that is my body was built, brick by brick, by the good people at Frito-Lay.

 

[IPS]

A track record of consistency and being able to play in the NHL with more than spot duty. Like I said, bitch about not being in on Kahknonen or Reimer. MAF. But being mad about not bringing in another maybe is stupid. Wedgewood gains us nothing over handing the ball to Kallgren/Woll.

So it's safe to say Dubas learned his lesson from the Rittich fiasco then?

 

[4thline]

So it's safe to say Dubas learned his lesson from the Rittich fiasco then?

Lol, "fiasco" So much melodrama.

Safer to say that our situation was not the same, and while then it was more justified then in neither case would not doing it move the needle to outrage.

 

[ACC1224]

So it's safe to say Dubas learned his lesson from the Rittich fiasco then?

Same people that celebrated the Rittich pickup are the same ones rejoicing over not picking a goalie up this year.
I may be misremembering but it didn't seem like as much of a need last year as this year.

 

[kb]

The temple that is my body was built, brick by brick, by the good people at Frito-Lay.

Hahaha!

They get into my honourable mention category.

 

[AvroArrow]

Dubas doesn't make a move for a goalie at the deadline - the right move.

If Dubas made a move for a goalie at the deadline - would have been the right move.

That we know for sure.

Totally depends on the price.

Doesn't make a move for a starting goalie at the deadline because it was rumored 1st + knies was the cost, right move to pass.

Made a move at the deadline for a starting goalie for a 2nd, that could become a 1st if we win 2 rounds, would have been the right move to go for it.

 

[zeke]

Goalies in the Dubas Era

Kallgren: 4gms, .930sv%, 103pt pace
Campbell: 68gms, .916sv%, 120pt pace (Plyff: 7gms, .934sv%, 3-4)
Freddie: 136gms, .911sv%, 108pt pace (Plyff: 12gms, .928sv%, 5-7)
Woll: 4gms, .911sv%, 123pt pace
Sparks: 20gms, .902sv%, 77pt pace
Hutch: 30gms, .898sv%, 67pt pace
Rittich: 4gms, .898sv%, 82pt pace
Mrazek: 18gms, .885sv%, 106pt pace
Kaskisuo: 1gms, .842sv%, 0pt pace

 

[4thline]

I may be misremembering but it didn't seem like as much of a need last year as this year.

You are. And it was more. Last year we had neither of Kallgren/Woll having call ups that showed that they could thrive in spot duty. We had Andersen out long term, and Campbell yo-yoing in and out of the lineup with a recurring injury. D'Agostini played 14 games for the Marlies. There was a very real chance that we were going into the playoffs with Hutch as our backup, and a jarringly non-zero chance that he'd be the starter (with like Vehviliainen backing up) Bringing in a +level backup as insurance made sense.

Right now we're looking to have two healthy 1A/1B types, plus two capable young 3's waiting in the minors, plus a journeyman backup. What does *another* journeyman backup add to that mix? We're not going anywhere with .900-.905 goaltending. Are we seriously bringing them in thinking that they stand a better chance of doing something that they've never done before than there is of either Campbell or Mrazek finding their games?