Kyle Dubas discussion

[Nylanderthal]

The latest:

Steve Dangle thinks other GMs are mean to Dubas
Bruins caught up to us and Tampa and is 1 point out of second and that's low
Kyle promotes himself too much and the school he went to isn't impressive and basically an online degree no ones heard of

It’s incredible the lengths some will go to to continue to push shitty narratives

 

[Nylanderthal]

Regular season means squat, we have seen this before.

Does Dubas actually have a prescription for those glasses or is he just being a complete wiener?

Ahhh, a glasses comment, how original.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Whoever's better, Tampa has definitely found themselves another 3rd line. Nick Paul seems like he'll be their new Blake Coleman.

That sucks for us .. but great for Nick .. great kid .. he likely wins another Cup with Tampa and gets his $$$ somewhere else like Coleman did .. nice to see local kids do well financially .. good job Ellwood

 

[Nylanderthal]

I watched Hagel last night too .. I thought Paul was FAR superior now that was a f***n steal from Dorion .. what a clown Dorion is .. another guy who knows nothing about hockey .. my son says to me you know Leafs could have Dorion instead (he is right it actually could be worse than Dubie)

Dorion, Ken Holland, Chuck fletcher, cheveldayoff, up to recently benning & bargainbin…, lots of mediocre management out there. Usually a change in management means a change in philosophy so that’s probably back to the old boys club. That scares the crap out of a good chunk of us tbh

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

he did a great job on Sunday with the Giordano trade, he got 6better and did not have to trade the 1st round pick or top prospects to do it th9at's grate

but Monday was a complete failure, he has arguably the worst goaltending in the league right now and did absolutely nothing to address and that ha9s to be seen as a MASSIVE, if you don't see that as a failure you are living in a world of denial.

and don't tell me "there 6was nobody out there"

Bullshit, are you telling me they could not have acquired Thomas Greiss, or Jaro Halak, or another veteran backup for insurance?

iis that the lie you are going to tell me? because that is a lie.

they did not do that and now we have an injured Jack Campbell. a mentally weak Peter Marazek who can't handle this market and 2 guys with a combined 8 games of NHL experience one of which is also hurt in Joseph Woll

Dubas did not do his Job on Monday *and as such it has to been seen as a failure

 

[Kelly]

he did a great job on Sunday with the Giordano trade, he got /better and did not have to trade the 1st round pick or top prospects to do it th9at's grat.

but Monday was a complete failure, he has arguably the worst goaltending in the league right now5 and did absolutely nothing to address and that ha9s to be seen as a MASSIVE, if you don't see that as a failure you are livin*g in a world of denial.

and don't tell me "there iwas nobody out there"

Bullshit, are you telling me they could not have acquired Thomas Greiss, or Jaro Halak, or another veteran backup for insurance?

iis that the lie you are going to tell me? because that is a lie.

they did not do that and now we have an injured Jack Campbell. a mentally weak Peter Marazek who can't handle this market and 2 guys with a combined 8 games of NHL experience one of which is also hurt in Joseph Woll

Dubas did not do his Job on Monday *and as such it has to been seen as a failure

Seems like the two you mentioned is just rearranging patio furniture. Don't see them being upgrades whatsoever, and likely wouldve cost us another 2nd round pick.

Seems like he's betting on Jack. Who knows if that's the right move or not. But betting on a Greiss or Halak while losing assets isn't any better of a bet.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Seems like the two you mentioned is just rearranging patio furniture. Don't see them being upgrades whatsoever, and likely wouldve cost us another 2nd round pick.

no it would not have cost a 2nd not at this point

 

[JT AM da real deal]

he did a great job on Sunday with the Giordano trade, he got 6better and did not have to trade the 1st round pick or top prospects to do it th9at's grate

but Monday was a complete failure, he has arguably the worst goaltending in the league right now and did absolutely nothing to address and that ha9s to be seen as a MASSIVE, if you don't see that as a failure you are living in a world of denial.

and don't tell me "there 6was nobody out there"

Bullshit, are you telling me they could not have acquired Thomas Greiss, or Jaro Halak, or another veteran backup for insurance?

iis that the lie you are going to tell me? because that is a lie.

they did not do that and now we have an injured Jack Campbell. a mentally weak Peter Marazek who can't handle this market and 2 guys with a combined 8 games of NHL experience one of which is also hurt in Joseph Woll

Dubas did not do his Job on Monday *and as such it has to been seen as a failure

I get where you are coming from .. I really do .. but one thing I can tell you from personal experience is this Woll kid has something very special in him .. I have played in a few but seen thousands and thousands of junior, minor and pro hockey games in rinks all over US and Canada .. I never witnessed anything like what I saw that kid do in a best on best tournament where all da best 97s and a few 98s (Woll being one of them) played in Boston .. he was on a weak team coached by Tkachuk from STL likely weakest team there and he SHUTOUT a GTA based team loaded with current NHL and AHL ALL-STAR players all by himself .. I am talking 10 Mitch breakaways each and every one of them all saved .. in all my years playing and on benches of teams I have never ever seen anything like that .. a full on assault on net for duration of an entire game .. everyone there watching was AWESTRUCK and kid was a 98 .. a 98 stoning da best 97s from across NA

 

[kk87]

The way Dubas gets painted by skeptics is just hilariously off-base. In his tenure, he has:
- Rebuilt the d-core entirely (Brodie, Gio, Muzzin, Sandin)
- Found solid depth pieces giving up very little (Mikheyev, Kampf, Kase, Bunting, Campbell, etc)
- Built up a barren prospect pool by hitting potential slam dunk picks outside the top 50 in virtually every draft (Robertson, Niemela, Knies)
- And cultivated an organizational culture that embraces diversity, accountability, and forward-thinking.

You can certainly criticize his moves, because there have been some suboptimal ones; but to say he's had an overt negative effect on this roster is objectively wrong. It's not his fault the players haven't played up to their standard in the playoffs.

 

[Kelly]

no it would not have cost a 2nd not at this point

Kulak went for a 2nd.....

Plus everyone and their mothers knew Leafs needed a goalie, wasn't exactly negotiating from a position of strength.

I think it's safe to assume if Dubas could've upgraded the goalie position with a pick lower in the draft than a 2nd, he would have.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I get where you are coming from .. I really do .. but one thing I can tell you from personal experience is this Woll kid has something very special in him .. I have played in a few but seen thousands and thousands of junior, minor and pro hockey games in rinks all over US and Canada .. I never witnessed anything like what I saw that kid do in a best on best tournament where all da best 97s and a few 98s (Woll being one of them) played in Boston .. he was on a weak team coached by Tkachuk from STL likely weakest team there and he SHUTOUT a GTA based team loaded with current NHL and AHL ALL-STAR players all by himself .. I am talking 10 Mitch breakaways each and every one of them all saved .. in all my years playing and on benches of teams I have never ever seen anything like that .. a full on assault on net for duration of an entire game .. everyone there watching was AWESTRUCK and kid was a 98 .. a 98 stoning da best 97s from across NA

that's great but if he is injured, and right now he is then is does not currently matter

 

[Nylanderthal]

no it would not have cost a 2nd not at this point

So looking around at the prices paid on Monday, what kind of difference would any goalie of made who was available for less than a 2nd?
If MAF who has his owns questions with playoff performance wasn’t going to waive, and wanted to stay close to his family then what else was out there? Halak is awful and apparently didn’t wanna go anywhere on a team going nowhere.
The only reasonable move left after Sateri was claimed was to just do what you can to give the guys in house the most optimal chance they can at being at their best.
Mrazek has been to conference finals and won rounds in the post season not too long ago, Campbell was an all star this season before cratering after the Covid break.
Certainly no one here is beaming in confidence and has any overwhelming sense of certainty that will happen, but there’s no point in expending energy being upset over shit that’s not going to change until the off season

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Kulak went for a 2nd.....

Plus everyone and their mothers knew Leafs needed a goalie, wasn't exactly negotiating from a position of strength.

I think it's safe to assume if Dubas could've upgraded the goalie position with a pick lower in the draft than a 2nd, he would have.

not even close to the same and you know that.

goalies do not have the same level of tr9ade value, p/articulaly when they are backups and again you know that

 

[Nylanderthal]

not even close to the same and you know that.

goalies do not have the same level of tr9ade value, p/articulaly when they are backups and again you know that

What use is a back up when in reality they need starting goaltending?
None of the guys who were potentially available are starter quality, both incumbents CAN be when their on their games.

 

[Kelly]

not even close to the same and you know that.

goalies do not have the same level of tr9ade value, p/articulaly when they are backups and again you know that

I really don't, trade deadline deals are almost always stupid overpayments.

Even then, back to my initial point. What's the point of trading for a backup? We already have 6 of them. We need a starter.

 

[Sypher04]

Are those to things mutually exclusive?

They are not. But in his case they are

 

[Apex Predator]

There was no way Dubas was going to find a starting goalie at the deadline. If he wasn’t willing to trade 1st and top prospects that takes Fleury off the board. After that there wasn’t any options.

The only other option was trading for Gibson but no one knows if he’s available and hypothetically if he was there would be too much cap juggling to be done at this point of the season to make it happen.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Dubas likes to carry himself as if he's above everyone , his schtick got him a GM gig but unfortunately i doubt the rest the GM's buy it . The worst part is how hard he tries to promote himself as an intellectual , to bad going to Brock for sports mgmt is only one step above getting a on line degree from a school no one's heard of .

Where have you ever gotten that impression?

 

[Canadian Finn]

by watching and listening to him?

 

[The Masters]

Dubas did good at deadline. Never liked protecting Holl over Mccan in expansion draft but getting Gio is a solid upgrade, he's still a legit top 4. I like Blackwell and Kerfoot on 4th line now.

 

[crump]

The way Dubas gets painted by skeptics is just hilariously off-base. In his tenure, he has:
- Rebuilt the d-core entirely (Brodie, Gio, Muzzin, Sandin)
- Found solid depth pieces giving up very little (Mikheyev, Kampf, Kase, Bunting, Campbell, etc)
- Built up a barren prospect pool by hitting potential slam dunk picks outside the top 50 in virtually every draft (Robertson, Niemela, Knies)
- And cultivated an organizational culture that embraces diversity, accountability, and forward-thinking.

You can certainly criticize his moves, because there have been some suboptimal ones; but to say he's had an overt negative effect on this roster is objectively wrong. It's not his fault the players haven't played up to their standard in the playoffs.

I agree. Buffalo were ahead of us in the rebuild phase. Sometimes people gloss over the fact that not every rebuilding team with an #1 OA pick necessarily build's a team properly. Edmonton had to do a do-over as well with Mcdavid. They are still struggling in the PO. Florida, Avs are just getting to perennial contender stage. It took Tampa a long time to get where they are (Stamkos drafted in 2008). This is a key year for the Leafs, no doubt, but smarter men than me say "you just need to be in the conversation every year, the rest is hard work and luck."

 

[Nylanderthal]

Brandon Prust is responsible for the Dubas fake glasses thing. He tweeted out that his glasses are non-prescription and wears them to cultivate a certain look.

The glasses have been discussed by others beyond Brandon.

Y’all are really really really strange

 

[TMLegend]

Where have you ever gotten that impression?

He's toned it down the last year or so, but when he was first hired he was one of those types that thought he was the smartest person in the room. He also made some statements early on in his tenure that certainly could be interpreted as being arrogant.

 

[Canadian Finn]

He's toned it down the last year or so, but when he was first hired he was one of those types that thought he was the smartest person in the room. He also made some statements early on in his tenure that certainly could be interpreted as being arrogant.

we can and we will.

 

[Superstar]

To each his/her own my friend .. but when you make decent $$$ you are not going backwards .. none of us who make well north of $1M per are gonna drop down to Dubie's level in da hundreds of thousands .. could not afford my ferrari f12 berlinetta

Yes you can...