Kyle Dubas discussion

[OneSniffTwoSniff]

I'm still in disbelief of the return Chicago got for Brandon Hagel of all people. What the hell was that?!? I think Chicago hit "accept" on the wrong trade offer (it's happened in my fantasy league before).

I don't think Tampa cares about losing two first rounders and some bottom 6 guy

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I watched Hagel last night too .. I thought Paul was FAR superior now that was a f***n steal from Dorion .. what a clown Dorion is .. another guy who knows nothing about hockey .. my son says to me you know Leafs could have Dorion instead (he is right it actually could be worse than Dubie)

 

[Martin Skoula]

It is not very likely to occur but not for reasons you think. Da Hunter boys share a 3-4M per year profit in London. To entice him to leave you have to be a "in da money" NHL team (which there are only 7-10 of them) which can afford to pay him 2M per like Leafs did. Really you are talking about TO, Habs, Rangers, Vegas, Philli, Hawks and a couple others. Even Dubie is nowhere near that salary threshold but he is much younger too.

Yeah same here, the only reason I'm not working for an NHL team is because my salary demands are too high. My complete absence of a strong drafting track record has nothing to do with it.

 

[Superstar]

I watched Hagel last night too .. I thought Paul was FAR superior now that was a f***n steal from Dorion .. what a clown Dorion is .. another guy who knows nothing about hockey .. my son says to me you know Leafs could have Dorion instead (he is right it actually could be worse than Dubie)

It was an odd move by Dorion...he wouldn't pay a bit more to keep Paul, but overpaid so much for Hamonic, which no other team wanted.

 

[The Masters]

I watched Hagel last night too .. I thought Paul was FAR superior now that was a f***n steal from Dorion .. what a clown Dorion is .. another guy who knows nothing about hockey .. my son says to me you know Leafs could have Dorion instead (he is right it actually could be worse than Dubie)

dorion's press conferences are SNL skits , guy makes me laugh

 

[Gabriel426]

To me, ideally if you have to choose to build a team with either AM, Vas or Josi- assuming they are all in the same age bracket, I think everyone will choose Vas bc he is the goalie.
The thing is Dubas or even Lou didn’t have anyone like Vas in the system. To blame Dubas for not building from the net out is just wrong.
People will blame goaltending as a problem if the team fail in the first round again but if AM and MM only get ONE goal in the series(barring injuries), I think that’s more of a problem than goaltending.
Losing a game 5-4 is goaltending but losing a game 4-1 is more on offence not scoring than weak goaltending.

 

[capfit9]

It was an odd move by Dorion...he wouldn't pay a bit more to keep Paul, but overpaid so much for Hamonic, which no other team wanted.

most believe this was made by a Pierre but McGuire not Dorion

 

[capfit9]

dorion's press conferences are SNL skits , guy makes me laugh

pretty cringe, it's like a stand up but bombing

 

[ACC1224]

To me, ideally if you have to choose to build a team with either AM, Vas or Josi- assuming they are all in the same age bracket, I think everyone will choose Vas bc he is the goalie.
The thing is Dubas or even Lou didn’t have anyone like Vas in the system. To blame Dubas for not building from the net out is just wrong.
People will blame goaltending as a problem if the team fail in the first round again but if AM and MM only get ONE goal in the series(barring injuries), I think that’s more of a problem than goaltending.
Losing a game 5-4 is goaltending but losing a game 4-1 is more on offence not scoring than weak goaltending.

True enough but it is tougher to score when you're playing from behind.

 

[Gabriel426]

True enough but it is tougher to score when you're playing from behind.

Depends on which teams, it seems like all those high scoring teams like Panther, Avs, Leafs and TB can’t hold on to multiple goals lead, lol.

For real, goalies need to make saves and forwards need to score goals. If AM and MM still combine for a goal in a 7 game series or the whole team go MIA in elimination games like the past two season(they really only shows up for 6 mins in Game 4 against BJs and the OT in Game 6 against the Habs), they are not going to win any series.

 

[riffle]

Do you think possibly, he wears them to see? I know it’s a crazy thought but you never know!

Brandon Prust is responsible for the Dubas fake glasses thing. He tweeted out that his glasses are non-prescription and wears them to cultivate a certain look.

The glasses have been discussed by others beyond Brandon.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Yeah same here, the only reason I'm not working for an NHL team is because my salary demands are too high. My complete absence of a strong drafting track record has nothing to do with it.

To each his/her own my friend .. but when you make decent $$$ you are not going backwards .. none of us who make well north of $1M per are gonna drop down to Dubie's level in da hundreds of thousands .. could not afford my ferrari f12 berlinetta

 

[ACC1224]

Who hired Hunter here, was it Shanahan?

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Moving out some depth parts isn't cleaning house.

We all keep dancing around it, but the reality is if we have a first round failure again this year at least one of the core 4 has to go, regardless who the GM is.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

#dubasstrong

#dubaswrong

 

[Bellefour20]

That’s just nonsense imo. Teams are not burning contract spots and their owners money as a joke on another GM

 

[Sypher04]

Jeff Marek is not an insider. He’s an entertainer

 

[CDN24]

To me, ideally if you have to choose to build a team with either AM, Vas or Josi- assuming they are all in the same age bracket, I think everyone will choose Vas bc he is the goalie.
The thing is Dubas or even Lou didn’t have anyone like Vas in the system. To blame Dubas for not building from the net out is just wrong.
People will blame goaltending as a problem if the team fail in the first round again but if AM and MM only get ONE goal in the series(barring injuries), I think that’s more of a problem than goaltending.
Losing a game 5-4 is goaltending but losing a game 4-1 is more on offence not scoring than weak goaltending.

Ultimately it is resource allocation. Everyone has the same cap hit to work with. Some are further constricted by internal budgets. No matter who he is, Goalie, D, or F, if you are spending $10M per on a guy he better be your best player in the playoffs or close to it or you won't get very far. If a team like Mtl is paying Price $10.5M or Tampa paying Vasi $9.5M the expectation is their Goalie is going to outplay the other guy. Similarly if you have several Forwards making $10M+ they better be outplaying the $5M guys on the other team.

You can't roll into a playoff series like last year with a $1.6M goalie against a 10.5M goalie and lose and blame the goalie because he got outplayed by the $10.5M guy. That is kind of expected. what is also expected is your dynamic duo making 22M between them are going to outplay some guys on the other side and score more than 1 goal combined. That is not on goaltending, that is on stars not playing up to their pay grade and on Dubas for poor budget asset allocation.

 

[Dreakmur]

Jeff Marek is not an insider. He’s an entertainer

Are those to things mutually exclusive?

 

[IPS]

I watched Hagel last night too .. I thought Paul was FAR superior now that was a f***n steal from Dorion .. what a clown Dorion is .. another guy who knows nothing about hockey .. my son says to me you know Leafs could have Dorion instead (he is right it actually could be worse than Dubie)

Whoever's better, Tampa has definitely found themselves another 3rd line. Nick Paul seems like he'll be their new Blake Coleman.

 

[ToneDog]

We all keep dancing around it, but the reality is if we have a first round failure again this year at least one of the core 4 has to go, regardless who the GM is.

One of the Nylander fanboys is going to blow a gasket if Willie is the one to go.

 

[IPS]

One of the Nylander fanboys is going to blow a gasket if Willie is the one to go.

That Nylander fanboy might be me if he outperforms Matthews/Marner again in the playoffs and ends up being the one traded.

 

[ToneDog]

That Nylander fanboy might be me if he outperforms Matthews/Marner again in the playoffs and ends up being the one traded.

If Nylander outperforms 16 and 34 again, who ever the GM is will have a huge problem. Then again, nothing wrong with selling high if you think 16 and 34 will eventually produce in the playoffs.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Yeah same here, the only reason I'm not working for an NHL team is because my salary demands are too high. My complete absence of a strong drafting track record has nothing to do with it.

You too!

 

[geo25]

I saw the Leafs win the cup in ‘67, which is a so f*coin what statement. I was there when Punch ran the team, knew Jim Gregory, have witnessed it all, which is still a ‘so f*coin what statement’. Other than to say I truly can’t think of a more polarizing GM than Dubas. Anti Duby’s harp on the cap, regardless of the truth that Covid messed with forward opportunities. Pro Duby’s excuse more than me. I still like him. He’s generally honest, he treats players fairly (and they deserve to be), he seems to draft well, and time is needed to determine, and he tries to rectify mistakes.

I’m aware that he leans more towards analytics than I like, but today’s team has a better group of D than I’ve seen in decades and we’ve some of the best players in the league. They have to perform, blaming Dubas if they don’t is wrong.

And, regardless of our losses to Columbus and Montreal, those cannot be pinned on Dubas. We hate the results, of course, but he inarguably, helped build a team that should have won both series. The onus on both defeats rests on the players (and I think we got goalied in both).

In short, I think he’s pretty good, got punked by Covid, made a few mistakes, ran up against some hot ‘tending, does a good/great job at the draft and has to deal with the vagaries of sport.

And, he is learning on the fly. If he gets ousted the next team will benefit from his accumulated experience at our expense. Better to allow him to continue (and he does) learn from his mistakes...the coach, in my opinion should be upgraded.