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Value of: Kunitz and Fleury
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Empoleon8771
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The Penguins aren't going to trade Kunitz and I imagine they'll keep Fleury until after the season is over. Unless they're going to swap Kunitz for another top-9 LWer, there's really no reason to move him.
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Why is Rutherford (who really likes Kunitz) just going to toss him away? Not to mention that he holds actual value.
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I'm living in a dream world here.
One where Kunitz and Fleury were looked at as expendable mid-season.
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Some optimistic candidates:
Benoit Pouliot
Justin Abdelkader
Darren Helm
Colin Wilson
Jean-Gabriel Pageau
Blake Comeau
Andrs Lee
The whole Eastern Conference thing probably deep-sixes most of those right off the bat though.
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Kunitz for Pouliot is intriguing. Chiarelli would probably do it with his fetish for old time hockey players like Lucic, Maroon and Kassian.
Don't think Sullivan would survive a game of Pouliot and Malkin trading off taking penalties though. Malkin would give him a run for his money, and Pouliot is laughably undisciplined.
Colin Wilson's a beast playoff guy. Can't see them trading him.
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I think the only way anything happens with Kunitz is if enough of the kids clearly overtake him for top9 LW spots, in which case it would make a lot of sense to try and offload him. Otherwise I very much doubt that JR would consider dealing him.
The only other scenario I see is where the Pens adds to Kunitz to get an upgrade at the deadline while keeping the other team competitive... like if they're a bubble/outside looking in team. For a pure seller, Kunitz would have negative value being an UFA and having a meaningful salary.
Dealing Fleury is unlikely/difficult enough in itself without adding Kunitz cap-hit to the mix, so it doesn't make much sense to speculate on combos.
The only other scenario I see is where the Pens adds to Kunitz to get an upgrade at the deadline while keeping the other team competitive... like if they're a bubble/outside looking in team. For a pure seller, Kunitz would have negative value being an UFA and having a meaningful salary.
Dealing Fleury is unlikely/difficult enough in itself without adding Kunitz cap-hit to the mix, so it doesn't make much sense to speculate on combos.
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Fleury
Kunitz
for
Ward
Bickell (50 percent retained)
2017 Carolina 2nd round pick
Penguins save $4.3 in cap space and pick up a 2nd rounder. Downside is goaltending quality is lowered. Bickell at $2.0 is easy enough to offload at the deadline if he's not working. Expansion draft issues resolved. Good asset and lots of cap space for trade deadline.
Hurricanes swap an expiring Bickell for an expiring Kunitz. They pay $5.85 instead of $4.0, but only from now until the summer. In exchange for doing so, they get to upgrade Ward for Fleury for only a 2nd rounder.
Worst case scenario is Ward is hot harbage and Pens have to use the 2nd rounder they just received to grab a rental Neuvirth or Enroth at the deadline and run 3 goalies until the 23 man roster limit is removed for playoffs.
Fleury
Kunitz
for
Ward
Bickell (50 percent retained)
2017 Carolina 2nd round pick
Penguins save $4.3 in cap space and pick up a 2nd rounder. Downside is goaltending quality is lowered. Bickell at $2.0 is easy enough to offload at the deadline if he's not working. Expansion draft issues resolved. Good asset and lots of cap space for trade deadline.
Hurricanes swap an expiring Bickell for an expiring Kunitz. They pay $5.85 instead of $4.0, but only from now until the summer. In exchange for doing so, they get to upgrade Ward for Fleury for only a 2nd rounder.
Worst case scenario is Ward is hot harbage and Pens have to use the 2nd rounder they just received to grab a rental Neuvirth or Enroth at the deadline and run 3 goalies until the 23 man roster limit is removed for playoffs.
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Burrows is done. Kunitz is nearing the end as well but he can still be occasionally useful.
It's all for naught anyways. Kunitz would never get traded. MAF more likely but still not realistic at this point.
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Who really want's Fleury? Also, what teams can fit them under the cap? Kunitz is UFA after this season. Who's going to give you a return for that?
I'll flip it on you... Fleury is more than likely not going anywhere due to his M-NTC (18 teams) and NMC (forced to be protected in expansion draft). If I was the Pens, I'd be trying to get Trouba for Murray. Murray gives the Jets a really good young goalie (I know they think they have something with Hellebuyck but he's a dime a dozen!) and the Pens get a valuable piece of their defense moving forward.
I'll flip it on you... Fleury is more than likely not going anywhere due to his M-NTC (18 teams) and NMC (forced to be protected in expansion draft). If I was the Pens, I'd be trying to get Trouba for Murray. Murray gives the Jets a really good young goalie (I know they think they have something with Hellebuyck but he's a dime a dozen!) and the Pens get a valuable piece of their defense moving forward.
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Yeah, JGP is not available whatsoever, and certainly not for either Kunitz or Fleury, let alone both.
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Any number of teams with a worse goalie than Fleury (there are several...look around), and any team that wants a 3-time Cup winning vet winger as a rental.
Murray is a total non-starter. What kind of a team trades a 22 year old Cup winning goalie who put up the numbers that Murray has over his pro career? I'll tell you: a very stupid team.
Empoleon8771
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Dallas by trading Niemi to Pittsburgh
Carolina by trading Lack to Pittsburgh
Buffalo by trading Lehner to Pittsburgh
Calgary by trading Elliott to Pittsburgh (or no one after the season)
NYI by trading Halak to Pittsburgh
Ottawa by trading Anderson to Pittsburgh (although his situation is sticky now, they might be willing to just trade for MAF and have both MAF and Anderson)
Just a few off the top of my head.
Yeah, pending UFAs never get traded for value
Good thing you're not the Pens GM then.
Concur about Kunitz, but JR has passed on multiple opportunities to move Kunitz for an upgrade, and Malkin-Kessel are so good together that they are masking Kunitz's incompetence enough to make it hard for a younger guy to even get a look in that role (Kunitz is too sacred a cow to make them wonder how much is left on the table saddling Malkin-Kessel with Kunitz).
Honestly, it's more likely that the resign him instead of moving him.
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MAF can only block 11 teams, which means there's 18 teams out there that he could go to. That's not an impossible situation.
As for trading Murray to WPG for Trouba, that's not really an ideal situation either (I won't even get into the value). It would force PIT to protect 4D (Letang, Trouba, Maatta and Dumoulin), they couldn't afford to sign Trouba (Murray makes 640k this year) and it would mean that they'd lose one of Hornqvist or Hagelin - both of whom are important players for Pittsburgh.
I'd love to get Trouba here, but not at the expense of Murray. Not to mention that WPG getting Murray would put them in the same situation PIT is in with their goalies and the expansion draft.
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I really don't understand why the Penguins fanbase is so eager to get rid of Fleury. It never hurts to have two NHL starting goaltenders because one of them WILL get hurt at some point, just look at the case study going on in LA for proof of that.
Kunitz is on his last year, and is actually playing well enough to justify his current cap hit so far this season. Getting rid of Fleury and Kunitz does little to help this season, which for all intents and purposes we should be "all in" to defend our championship.
I suspect we trade Fleury in the offseason and we either let Kunitz walk or sign him to the Cullen deal (1 year, 1 mil until you retire)
Kunitz is on his last year, and is actually playing well enough to justify his current cap hit so far this season. Getting rid of Fleury and Kunitz does little to help this season, which for all intents and purposes we should be "all in" to defend our championship.
I suspect we trade Fleury in the offseason and we either let Kunitz walk or sign him to the Cullen deal (1 year, 1 mil until you retire)
