Kucherov 6 point night

[AvroArrow]

We're all in agreement that he's a generational winger right ?

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Peak Malkin was every bit as good as peak Crosby, based on the half season he was capable of immediately following 2010-11; 33-32-65 in 41 vs. 32-34-66 in 41. Playoffs are more or less the same story both had 28 points in 17 games after 3 rounds, then Crosby had Lidstrom and Zetterberg stapled to him in the finals allowing Malkin to run wild and dominate. I think if anything Crosby would’ve strung together a few more of these super dominant seasons in his age 23-25 frame than Malkin would’ve, and possibly didn’t even get to reach his true potential even on a per game basis, we’ll never really know for sure.

To Kucherov’s credit he seems primed to have two of these seasons in a row right now which actually not even McDavid has done. One last thing though, none of these players have reached the playoff peak of McDavid in 2022 or 2024, that’s firmly the best player I’ve seen since Lemieux.

I don't think Malkin 09 was very far off Mcdavid 24. 36 points in 24 games vs 42 points in 25 games in a lower scoring year.

You literally just said to enjoy Kucherov. The unique issue is to him, not TB. Tell me this without entire Crosby, MacKinnon and McDavid stat lines dominating full pages here

Kucherov is incredible and has the best vision/iq in the league. Think he ages better than any of the guys mentioned in this thread due simply to that. At his performance level it's inevitable he gets compared to other greats.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I mean you're the one that said he was peak Crosby over a full season. Peak Crosby lapped the field, no one was even close. A 99 game sample size is pretty telling that no one was in his league. If you want to go to prime instead, 07-14, it's Crosby again.

 Crosby 1.42
Malkin 1.22
Ovechkin 1.18
St Louis 1.07
Thornton 1.05

And adjusted stats are only adjusted based on league averages. They are absolutely not a good way to compare the two eras for scorers. The increase in scoring disproportionately helps scorers, not your average 3rd liner. Smaller goalie pads, more empty net points, high pp efficiencies, no more headshots or cheapshots, no more net front battles, etc. 144 points when there's 9 100+ scorers is not more impressive than 109 (Malkin) or 104 (Crosby) when they are the only ones to hit 100 points in the league.

Crosby missed a lot of games, not the same.
Save that for the Crosby thread, I don’t even see Kuch mentioned.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Interesting analysis: If you look at their 82 gp paces for the years that they both played since 2017 (ie. not including McDavids 2021 - which isn't fair to him, since one of his best seasons, but Kuch also just didn't play so hard to compare).

Overall points and goals on 82gp paces are actually pretty close.

Take from that what you will.

	McDavid p/gp	Kuch p/gp	McDavid g/gp	Kuch g/gp
2017​	1.22	1.15	0.37	0.54
2018​	1.32	1.25	0.50	0.49
2019​	1.49	1.56	0.53	0.50
2020​	1.52	1.25	0.53	0.49
2021​	1.88	-	0.59	-
2022​	1.54	1.47	0.55	0.53
2023​	1.87	1.38	0.78	0.37
2024​	1.74	1.78	0.42	0.54
2025​	1.54	1.76	0.54	0.56

	McDavid Points	Kucherov Points	McDavid goals	Kucherov goals
2017​	100	94	30	44
2018​	108	103	41	40
2019​	122	128	43	41
2020​	124	103	44	40
2021​
2022​	126	120	45	44
2023​	153	113	64	30
2024​	142	146	35	45
2025​	126	144	44	46
TOTAL	1,002	951	345	329

Kucherov actually seems like he's getting better with age, which is pretty unheard of. He doesn't really rely on physical talents so it'll be interesting to see how long he can dominate. Wouldn't totally surprise me if MacKinnon and McDavid start declining before him despite being years younger. They lean a lot on their skating ability.

Crosby missed a lot of games, not the same.
Save that for the Crosby thread, I don’t even see Kuch mentioned.

I'm not the one that brought up Crosby.

 

[Frank Drebin]

don't think Malkin 09 was very far off Mcdavid 24. 36 points in 24 games vs 42 points in 25 games in a lower scoring year.

Crosbys line faced top lines in 09 though, yes?

 

[Video Nasty]

You talking about the leagues 7th leading scorer as well? I guess you’re right. 7th in scoring is pretty good. At the prime age of 27

I’m talking about the guy who is currently cooking with 30 points in his past 15 games, has gained 8 points apiece on Kucherov and MacKinnon over the past month, despite their recent efforts of 5-6 point games, and has the league’s third highest PPG in history which he is still increasing as he approaches age 28.

Sure, he’s currently 7th in raw scoring in mid-December, yet he’s working on a 9th consecutive season of being no lower than second in PPG, and top three all ten seasons of his career. He’s where he is despite missing three games due to injury—essentially four since he played a mere 37 seconds when he exited—and had just 10 points through 11 games and fell behind by 15 points. It’s going to be pretty damn silly if McDavid is in the midst of another 150 point Art Ross and you’re crowing about one of the most proven athletes ever not leading the scoring race in mid-December.

I know you badly want McDavid to not tie Mario with six Art Rosses, and also not widen the gap further between McDavid and Crosby, but barring more missed time, McDavid is looking primed to scoop it up. Sorry that you can’t see the difference in a Kucherov or MacKinnon with the Jaime Benns of the world confusing Crosby at the same age.

McDavid is currently remolding the Big Four into a Big Five. It’s inevitable. You can’t stop it. Embrace it like @WalterLundy showed you did less than six months ago.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Crosbys line faced top lines in 09 though, yes?

Yea true, probably mattered the most against Detroit, where Lidstrom-Rafalski + Zetterberg blanketed Crosby all series letting Malkin take advantage of Stuart-Kronwall + Datsyuk.

 

[authentic]

Yea true, probably mattered the most against Detroit, where Lidstrom-Rafalski + Zetterberg blanketed Crosby all series letting Malkin take advantage of Stuart-Kronwall + Datsyuk.

Datsyuk only played 4 games that series, pretty sure Malkin had 2 points in those games and 6 in his first 3.

 

[blundluntman]

Kucherov, Mackinnon, & McDavid's Year-and-a-half-long scoring race must be what it felt like watching guys like Lafleur, Dionne & Trottier back in the day. You had the 09 season with Crosby, Malkin & Ovi but it was pretty short lived and Crosby wasn't at his best (plus, they didn't all represent different franchises).

It's a great time to be a hockey fan, probably the best the game has ever been in my lifetime.

 

[JFedol]

Im saying it right now, but Kuch will shatter his previous career total and is a lock for 160pts and another 100 assist this season. I could seriously see him go for a higher total for assists, somewhere in the 125-140 range.

People were tripping out thinking a PP merchant like Stamkos was going to cause a huge reduction in his production lmao

He's 100% better than Ovi all time and is the GOAT Russian player easily IMO. 9 Rockets be damned.

 

[benfranklin]

There should be an award for most secondary assists in a season

Looked it up
1 G
2 A1
3 A2

Obviously still impressive but yes they ran it up a bit in the third there.

 

[benfranklin]

Im saying it right now, but Kuch will shatter his previous career total and is a lock for 160pts and another 100 assist this season. I could seriously see him go for a higher total for assists, somewhere in the 125-140 range.

People were tripping out thinking a PP merchant like Stamkos was going to cause a huge reduction in his production lmao

lol wut. Youre predicting a 60g 100a 160p season? That has been done 5 times ever (4 Wayne, 1 Mario)

Then 125-140 assists?! 125+ has been done 3 times, all Wayne.

I get it, you think he's great, but youre tossing out some wild numbers.

 

[JFedol]

lol wut. Youre predicting a 60g 100a 160p season? That has been done 5 times ever (4 Wayne, 1 Mario)

Then 125-140 assists?! 125+ has been done 3 times, all Wayne.

I get it, you think he's great, but youre tossing out some wild numbers.

Maybe I am, but this mfer is the reincarnation of Gretzky as a winger, his entire offensive arsenal is perfected to a tee. Elite passer/playmaker who rarely makes mistakes when an opportunity is given, disgusting shot, a very cerebral game with an insane IQ. He's just a point production monster who can easily pace for a 120-130pt season. Point being his 1C definitely makes it easier but you put Cirelli or Paul and he's still putting up the same numbers regardless. Kuch is a top 3 winger when it's all said and done

 

[Video Nasty]

Im saying it right now, but Kuch will shatter his previous career total and is a lock for 160pts and another 100 assist this season. I could seriously see him go for a higher total for assists, somewhere in the 125-140 range.

People were tripping out thinking a PP merchant like Stamkos was going to cause a huge reduction in his production lmao

He's 100% better than Ovi all time and is the GOAT Russian player easily IMO. 9 Rockets be damned.

Gretzky is the only player to hit at least 115 assists, which he of course did seven times. Calling for 125-140 assists when the greatest hockey mind the game has ever seen cleared 125 “just” twice and 135 once is way out of line.

I like the prediction for back to back 100 assists seasons and breaking his still newly minted career high though. It means more fun for the league.

I’ll be cheering and enjoying every moment of however this race unfolds. Kucherov is building a hell of a legacy for himself.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Im saying it right now, but Kuch will shatter his previous career total and is a lock for 160pts and another 100 assist this season. I could seriously see him go for a higher total for assists, somewhere in the 125-140 range.

People were tripping out thinking a PP merchant like Stamkos was going to cause a huge reduction in his production lmao

He's 100% better than Ovi all time and is the GOAT Russian player easily IMO. 9 Rockets be damned.

Those numbers are a bit out there lol but I do think if he wins another art ross he takes the title of best player in the world from Mcdavid and the title for all time best Russian from Ovechkin.

 

[Fantast100]

The Russian guy is incomparable.

 

[bishop12]

McDavid is not like Lemieux. Lemieux would never be outscored by MacKinnon, Draisaitl, or Kucherov.

Mario is the goat. He'd have 200 points in today's league.

 

[Fantast100]

We're all in agreement that he's a generational winger right ?

Tampa Bay haters are humiliated.

 

[Jordan Belfort]

Gretzky and Lemieux have only lost the Art Ross to each other. McDavid has lost to Kucherov twice now and will probably lose again. He's a better player but he's not a tier above

Yet somehow my thread got closed for saying this

 

[TheLegend27]

You talking about the leagues 7th leading scorer as well? I guess your right. 7th in scoring is pretty good. At the prime age of 27

All forwards have down years, just look at Crosby in 2015. But hey, Losing an Art Ross at a prime age of 27 to a generational offensive talent in Jamie Ben is pretty good!.

 

[authentic]

Gretzky is the only player to hit at least 115 assists, which he of course did seven times. Calling for 125-140 assists when the greatest hockey mind the game has ever seen cleared 125 “just” twice and 135 once is way out of line.

I like the prediction for back to back 100 assists seasons and breaking his still newly minted career high though. It means more fun for the league.

I’ll be cheering and enjoying every moment of however this race unfolds. Kucherov is building a hell of a legacy for himself.

For the sake of hockey I hope he’s right.

 

[Fantast100]

The scoring league is threatened.

 

[DFC]

gretzky is probably 3 tiers above Kucherov, McDavid 1 or 2.

Again - how many players have outscored Kucherov in a season? Too many to count.

Let's level the playing field since Kucherov came in at age 20. How many guys have out produced McDavid in a season since he was 20 ....3? Pretty sure it's:

Kucherov
Mackinnon
Draisaitl.

That's it, that's the entire list.


Now give me 5 mins while I go list all the players who have produced better than Kucherov in a season in his career. It's long, man.

He's a great talent , Jagr esque talent. But he's not on McDavids level


things are only how they are, you have your opinion but he didn't

He got crushed and the players took mackinnon too. It is what it is

As a huge Kucherov fan, I actually think this is pretty accurate. Kucherov is on the Jagr tier. Still behind Jagr, but catching up -- especially if he outproduced McDavid another time or two. But McDavid remains, IMO, the league's only generational talent, and somewhere inside the top 10 all time already. Nobody's on his tier right now.

 

[Randyne]

He's 100% better than Ovi all time

Ovi 868 goals
Kuch 917 points