Kucherov 6 point night
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Kucherov has been outscored by dozens of players in his career, McDavid like 3. Not the same caliber
Kucherov has a 5 point game (when the thread was created) and some fanboys will make it a main boards thread. You can set your watch to it
WalterLundy
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yep you can't lose 3 art ross in your prime if you are a tier above, i'm sorry. Gretzky and Lemieux didn't do that. it's not an opinion, but a fact
gretzky is probably 3 tiers above Kucherov, McDavid 1 or 2.
Again - how many players have outscored Kucherov in a season? Too many to count.
Let's level the playing field since Kucherov came in at age 20. How many guys have out produced McDavid in a season since he was 20 ....3? Pretty sure it's:
Kucherov
Mackinnon
Draisaitl.
That's it, that's the entire list.
Now give me 5 mins while I go list all the players who have produced better than Kucherov in a season in his career. It's long, man.
He's a great talent , Jagr esque talent. But he's not on McDavids level
things are only how they are, you have your opinion but he didn't
He got crushed and the players took mackinnon too. It is what it is
WalterLundy
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I actually agree with everything you said in the message you responded to above mine. As for voting they don’t always get it right. 1989 Lemieux is one and there is a reason Jagr only has 1 Hart like Kucherov. They both suffer from the same thing and it isn’t ability…
Against Calgary though so does it really count? /s
Kucherov is a phenomenal talent. Hes got a chance to be the second best Russian all time (behind Ovi). And like all euro players I think he is underrated across the league.
Kucherov is a phenomenal talent. Hes got a chance to be the second best Russian all time (behind Ovi). And like all euro players I think he is underrated across the league.
I think it was a genuine conflip that could have gone either way. Voting isn't perfect but kucherov having 4 more pts than Mackinnon is not the same as having 38 more pts (and 38 more goals!) Than wayne in 89. To say he could have 2 harts is fair, but it was no robbery. Same goes for Mack in 2018
Luigi Lemieux
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I think a good way to look at it would be to see how they did against the 10th or 20th place scorer.
Crosby at 1.30 vs Neal at 1.03 = 26% higher
Malkin at 1.45 vs Kessel at 1.00 = 45% higher
Last year 10th place was JT Miller at 1.27.
So I think those seasons translated to last year would put them at
Malkin 151 points, Crosby 131 points
I'll concede Crosby that year was not as impressive as I thought, but Malkin actually more impressive. At their peaks I have no doubt those two are putting up 140+ in today's environment.
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Considering this is the 2nd time Kuch has had 6 points in a game, its not really something I would count on to set my watch
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Wait til he passes MacKinnon for any period of time. It'll be 25 pages by lunch of the great white north reminding us who rightfully deserved MVP last yearConsidering this is the 2nd time Kuch has had 6 points in a game, its not really something I would count on to set my watch
Stop getting bent out of shape on last years awards, enjoy that your team has a great player.
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It's kind of hard to enjoy anything when every Kucherov praise thread turns into how great MacKinnon and McDavid are
Lol, then get off the website? I dunno. All threads get detractors. Its not a unique thing to TB.
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You literally just said to enjoy Kucherov. The unique issue is to him, not TB. Tell me this without entire Crosby, MacKinnon and McDavid stat lines dominating full pages here
If it means that much to you then debating on Internet forums isn’t for you
I do enjoy him. And I don't enjoy people complaining about how hard their favourite player has it on an internet forum. But enjoy your confirmation bias in that Kuch is the only player that has negative comments about him lol.
Randyne
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Meh, two gen. stars in one team. In that span Sid's every third point was from Malkin (221 out 667).
John Mandalorian
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As an Avs fan, agreed 100%. People can’t control themselves. What’s even more tedious is the discussion of other eras and talk of tiers as though this is highly scientific and carefully measured.
Peak Malkin was every bit as good as peak Crosby, based on the half season he was capable of immediately following 2010-11; 33-32-65 in 41 vs. 32-34-66 in 41. Playoffs are more or less the same story both had 28 points in 17 games after 3 rounds, then Crosby had Lidstrom and Zetterberg stapled to him in the finals allowing Malkin to run wild and dominate. I think if anything Crosby would’ve strung together a few of these super dominant seasons in his age 23-25 than Malkin would’ve, and possibly didn’t even get reach his true potential even on a per game basis, we’ll never really know for sure.
To Kucherov’s credit he seems primed to have two of these seasons in a row right now which actually not even McDavid has done. One last thing though, none of these players have reached the playoff peak of McDavid in 2022 or 2024, that’s firmly the best player I’ve seen since Lemieux.
You make it sound like it's a new thing for him? He is f***ing BEAST every f***ing season.
