Confirmed Trade: [NYR/ANA] Chris Kreider and 2025 4th for Carey Terrance and 2025 3rd

[bov]

Kreider may be on the back 9 but I still like this for Anaheim, they are trending in the right direction.

 

[quackquackquack]

Didn't Kreider have like 3 injuries last season and still potted 20+ goals on a disaster of a team? Feels like a great deal for the Ducks.

What I'm curious about is if something is now going to happen with Gudas/Killorn. I'm not sure why PV would add Kreider's salary without moving some money out. Maybe he feels like the Ducks arent in on as many free agents as possible and just wants to empty the chamber for Marner and only Marner

 

[FiveTacos]

I think the pick is going to be a conditional 3rd that becomes a 2nd if the Ducks make the playoffs or something like that. Terrance is a better prospect than people here are giving him credit for. He's probably a Sykora/Berard level prospect with legitimate NHL upside but likely never anything more than a middle 6 C.

I have to admit, when it comes to finding a projected bottom 6er, it's easier to envision a fit for a guy who played that sort of role already, as opposed to slotting in a guy who's essentially a junior level scoring liner who didn't translate and now has to learn how to be a supporting player. There's a lot of guys populating bottom 6 jobs who weren't any great shakes offensively in junior/college.

You are either paying via money or term in free agency.

Often both. I mean, who were the Ducks gonna sign for 2 years as a UFA who was gonna do anything for them? If you're looking for a short term stopgap, this is generally the way to do it.

 

[LionsHeart]

Anaheim is the new Phoenix apparently.

 

[StreetHawk]

oooooooo boy

That's the thing with NTC. Is that provided only when the team contacts the agent to request it from the player? Or was that something that is due to the team at a set time every year (ie. by late June for the next NHL business year which begins July 1).

Kreider knows he's being shopped by the Rags so his days with them are numbered. Again, he can be dealt to half the league. Assuming it's the CAD teams, he's got like 8 or 9 left to list.

 

[Forge]

Non issue. He doesn't have a no move. Drury will just tell him he's putting him on waivers instead then

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Didn't Kreider have like 3 injuries last season and still potted 20+ goals on a disaster of a team? Feels like a great deal for the Ducks.

What I'm curious about is if something is now going to happen with Gudas/Killorn. I'm not sure why PV would add Kreider's salary without moving some money out. Maybe he feels like the Ducks arent in on as many free agents as possible and just wants to empty the chamber for Marner and only Marner

20 goals for a guy who plays as much as Kreider does, especially on the PP, is not anything to write home about. He averages over 3 minutes/game on the PP.

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

Why are the ducks giving up a second round pick plus Terrance am I missing something here lol. Hopefully Kreider can still play or this is terrible by Anaheim

Terrance is a nothing prospect. At least we are getting back a veteran character guy who can help out our clueless locker room

 

[LokiDog]

I understand that the Rangers just wanted to cut bait with both players, but imagine keeping a straight face 3 years ago if someone told you an NHL GM would trade Jacob Trouba and Chris Kreider for Urho Vaakanainen, Carey Terrance, a conditional second-round pick and a conditional fourth-round pick.

 

[quackquackquack]

20 goals for a guy who plays as much as Kreider does, especially on the PP, is not anything to write home about. He averages over 3 minutes/game on the PP.

ok still doesn't address him playing with multiple injuries on a dysfunctional team.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

ok still doesn't address him playing with multiple injuries on a dysfunctional team.

(he was one of the main reasons for the dysfunction)

 

[Canovin]

While you're at it, trade for Zibanejad Anaheim

That will be at the deadline when NYR needs to add a big fish

 

[quackquackquack]

(he was one of the main reasons for the dysfunction)

interesting...initial reports are that Kreider is excited to play for Q. He also has a couple buddies on the Ducks. Maybe a fresh start rejuvenates him.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Barring Anaheim giving up something stupid (which is unlikely based on initial reports), this is a massive win for them. Fans underestimate the impact veteran leadership can have on a young team. They only look at things through an NHL videogame lense. But in the real world, things like chemistry, personality development, leadership through adversity, they matter big time.

I'd be genuinely surprised if Kreider pots less than 30 goals this year. Although, my guess is he still does it in his streaky fashion, where he scores 10 in 12 games and then goes cold for 18 games

 

[FlameChampion]

For teams that have a ton of cap space, I still prefer these types of deals than giving fringe guys big contracts in free agency.

That being said I don’t really understand how or why gave up assets to acquire Trouba at full cap. He should of been free. But not a big deal.

 

[The don godfather]

Both these GM are dumb and dumber. Which is one which is the question?

 

[TotalHomer]

I think this will end up being a good deal for Anaheim if the reported cost is accurate. Trouba already was an upgrade and both him and Kreider are short term commitments. No risk.

 

[robbieboy3686]

drury is taking the much bigger gamble here. verbeek is risking and paying virtually nothing to acquire a player who, at a minimum, adds to the locker room as a leader and has a reasonable chance to provide significant production. drury only wins if he's right on how he replaces kreider and how he allocates that cap space.

Ding ding ding

 

[robbieboy3686]

Unlike Killorn, you should be able to trade Kreider with 1.5 or 1 or 0.5 years left on his deal for a pick and/or prospect. You could get even better quality assets if you retain. It's basically weaponizing the cap space you have that other teams don't in order to get a trade chip and then cashing it in a little down the road for picks and prospects.

If Kreider turns out to be hot garbage in Anaheim, then yeah, maybe it's a 2nd Killorn, but at least this one will be good in the locker room and can teach your kids something, and at least it didn't cost you an arm and a leg to acquire him.

Killorn was one of the better and most consistent forwards for Anaheim last season. He doesn’t deserve at all the hate he gets.

 

[robbieboy3686]

I'm guessing the Ducks weren't a fan of the price on Peterka and Robertson.
I'd prefer Peterka over Robertson, Robertson skates like he has wooden peg legs.

And they say Robertson is a grade a ahole too. I wanted no piece of that pos for the ducks

 

[starsfan86]

And they say Robertson is a grade a ahole too. I wanted no piece of that pos for the ducks

Who says he’s an asshole?

 

[FiveTacos]

For teams that have a ton of cap space, I still prefer these types of deals than giving fringe guys big contracts in free agency.

It's the term in free agency that kills you. You can always dump an overpaid guy with 1-2 years left, even if you have to retain or buyout, but if there's 4+ years of remaining term it's infinitely more difficult.

That being said I don’t really understand how or why gave up assets to acquire Trouba at full cap. He should of been free. But not a big deal.

In terms of ultimately swapping Fowler for Trouba, the Ducks balanced their L-R situation on D, got a guy with less overlapping skillset than their young guys, and picked up a 2nd. Vaaks was nothing to them long term, and at this point their system is so full that an extra mid rounder means only slightly more than nothing.

And people always seem to forget that the cap floor is as big an issue to workaround for some teams as cap ceiling can be for others ... getting Trouba's AAV on the books (while at a lower real salary) made it easier to deal Fowler and Dumoulin without having to take any salary back to stay cap compliant.

 

[periferal]

He’s obviously a deteriorated asset but the Rangers did have a good run of being very competitive and making some noise in the playoffs. The ducks being a young team could really benefit from a guy like that from a mentorship perspective and you honestly can’t write off what a change of scenery might do for him.

Cap is going up substantially in next three years and if your prospect cupboard is already pretty full which sounds like it is, they likely have done long term projections about who/where these guys will fit along with timelines. They clearly have a gap in top 9 for the next year to two so they’re filling it with him.

Would I do it if I were Anaheim? No. But, that’s likely why they’re looking into it.

Why do people have to play Devil's advocate when things are so obvious?

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I understand that the Rangers just wanted to cut bait with both players, but imagine keeping a straight face 3 years ago if someone told you an NHL GM would trade Jacob Trouba and Chris Kreider for Urho Vaakanainen, Carey Terrance, a conditional second-round pick and a conditional fourth-round pick.

Wait until you realize Drury is ready to back up the brinks for Sam Bennett or do something even dumber with this new found money lol

 

[SML2]

In fairness, even in a year where the Rangers PP was putrid for a good 2/3rds of the season, ending up 28th in the league, it was still better than Anaheim at 32nd. Somehow almost a full 6% lower than the Rangers.

Kreider could well mean a meaningful improvement on the PP for Anaheim, especially if he rebounds to previous years levels. He'd also help their 29th ranked PK unit

Rangers PP sucked because the go to play was to feed Zibenajad at the left circle to flub the one timer. If we get him Charlie Sheen's glasses from Major League, we will be top 5 again.